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Post by dude on Jan 9, 2023 23:15:19 GMT -5
I heard from two of the AD’s last week the league was going to move forward with 7 schools for now because no school had enough support to be voted in.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 9, 2023 23:20:47 GMT -5
There was more than one school interested?
The way it is now it's going to be hard to "get enough support", as there are Eastern and Western factions
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Post by richrod on Jan 10, 2023 9:31:23 GMT -5
I feel like the OCC would be better served with an 8th team. Dover would have made the most sense at this point but they know better than we do on here I suppose. Will be interesting to see what or if any changes happen down the road.
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Post by runawaytrain on Jan 10, 2023 14:07:39 GMT -5
I don't know why people mention Upper Sandusky for the MOAC. They were there once and it didn't even last a year. The N10 seems to be on pretty solid ground right now.
Letting Willard into the SBC River for football purposes was not smart. If they start hanging a bunch of points on the smaller schools like they did in some NL games last year that marriage won't last. The small schools were doing just fine as they were.
The OCC just shouldn't have added New Philly.
Buckeye Valley and Pleasant loom out there to be had IMO. BV leaving the MOAC might go down as the dumbest move a school in the area has ever made.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 10, 2023 14:59:02 GMT -5
People tried to warn BV, but administrations often just won't listen
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Post by dude on Jan 10, 2023 15:43:30 GMT -5
Curt Conrad's article actually makes a lot of sense but some schools have a fear of being in a league with others.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 10, 2023 15:58:37 GMT -5
So the OCC is moving forward with 7 schools.
The FC is operating with 7 football schools.
The NLL is starting up 11 schools.
The SBC will be moving forward with two 5 school divisions and whoever decides they’d rather be in the River. Along with a number of schools who refuse to play certain schools or don’t want to be in certain divisions.
Apparently there’s a lot of schools who’d rather be in a mess then make it a little easier on themselves.
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Post by sportsfan15 on Jan 10, 2023 16:23:12 GMT -5
Curt Conrad's article actually makes a lot of sense but some schools have a fear of being in a league with others. Makes entirely too much sense., thats why it would never work lol
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Jan 10, 2023 16:24:24 GMT -5
Looks like a solution is here somewhere. The SBC Lake and the OCC need to get together and hammer something out. I know Wooster would not be for it and New Philadelphia and West Holmes would be left out. Being located where we are there is no perfect solution that will make everyone happy. Most if not all Richland county OCC schools and Ashland play or have played the Lake schools in recent years especially in basketball. I also think the OCC being a 7 team league poses it own issues. So I guess it's less of a problem finding a week 6,7,or 8 opponent in football then traveling to Dover. Lex already inquired about the MOAC and was rebuffed by Galion and the Marion County schools.
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Post by baldref on Jan 10, 2023 16:36:10 GMT -5
Curt Conrad's article actually makes a lot of sense but some schools have a fear of being in a league with others. How does the often talked about local league makes sense for Ontario, Galion, Clear Fork and Shelby to join a league with much bigger schools. Its a great idea for Senior High, or Madison, Lexington and Ashland so they can beat up on the little guy but not for the smaller schools they are trying to coerce into such a setup. As for Shelby, they already play two of the OCC schools in football and almost all of them in basketball, so any "fear of being in a league with others" applies to them too? The MOAC is a perfect fit for the schools now involved, especially for enrollment purposes and competitiveness. I would be surprised if any current MOAC school bails out the OCC schools, unless the MOAC completely implodes.
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Post by sportsfan15 on Jan 10, 2023 17:10:50 GMT -5
Curt Conrad's article actually makes a lot of sense but some schools have a fear of being in a league with others. How does the often talked about local league makes sense for Ontario, Galion, Clear Fork and Shelby to join a league with much bigger schools. Its a great idea for Senior High, or Madison, Lexington and Ashland so they can beat up on the little guy but not for the smaller schools they are trying to coerce into such a setup. As for Shelby, they already play two of the OCC schools in football and almost all of them in basketball, so any "fear of being in a league with others" applies to them too? The MOAC is a perfect fit for the schools now involved, especially for enrollment purposes and competitiveness. I would be surprised if any current MOAC school bails out the OCC schools, unless the MOAC completely implodes.
The size discrepancies are not as great as what some may think. Gone are the days of Sr and Madison graduating 300+ kids. Last I heard, Sr high was around 160 kids graduating. Ashland would become the biggest or second biggest school behind Marion. Geographically it makes sense. But the viewpoints and narratives that these "big schools" would dominate everything scares those who have no ability to look outside the common narrative. Us keyboard warriors are discussing a moot point I'm afraid.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 10, 2023 19:23:47 GMT -5
Doesn’t Shelby play most of these schools in basketball during the regular season or postseason?
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Post by dude on Jan 10, 2023 22:24:22 GMT -5
Curt Conrad's article actually makes a lot of sense but some schools have a fear of being in a league with others. How does the often talked about local league makes sense for Ontario, Galion, Clear Fork and Shelby to join a league with much bigger schools. Its a great idea for Senior High, or Madison, Lexington and Ashland so they can beat up on the little guy but not for the smaller schools they are trying to coerce into such a setup. As for Shelby, they already play two of the OCC schools in football and almost all of them in basketball, so any "fear of being in a league with others" applies to them too? The MOAC is a perfect fit for the schools now involved, especially for enrollment purposes and competitiveness. I would be surprised if any current MOAC school bails out the OCC schools, unless the MOAC completely implodes.
What is the fear of having bigger schools in your league? Does Pleasant help you win tournament games? Does Highland? Would beating Lex or Madison in football give you more points toward a playoff? "beat up a the little guy"? In football CF could go 3-1 against them. Shelby could go 3-1, Galion and Ontario could go 2-2. Shelby wanted in the OCC but West Holmes stopped it. So Shelby has no fear of the OCC teams. What is the gap between the largest to smallest school in the MOAC? What would the gap be from the smallest to largest in the Conrad proposed league? But I do agree, fear will keep this from happening.
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Post by dude on Jan 10, 2023 22:25:42 GMT -5
Doesn’t Shelby play most of these schools in basketball during the regular season or postseason? And a few in most other sports.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 10, 2023 22:39:34 GMT -5
Doesn’t Shelby play most of these schools in basketball during the regular season or postseason? And a few in most other sports. So I’m really failing to see why would Shelby not want to be in the OCC but yet will play them in any sport? Instead you want to be in a league knowing you have it easier and get wins. If this is the path Shelby chooses then so be it but it’ll be what they are known for.
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Post by dude on Jan 10, 2023 22:42:56 GMT -5
And a few in most other sports. So I’m really failing to see why would Shelby not want to be in the OCC but yet will play them in any sport? Instead you want to be in a league knowing you have it easier and get wins. If this is the path Shelby chooses then so be it but it’ll be what they are known for. Shelby did want in and was getting in until West Holmes voted no.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 10, 2023 22:47:52 GMT -5
How does the often talked about local league makes sense for Ontario, Galion, Clear Fork and Shelby to join a league with much bigger schools. Its a great idea for Senior High, or Madison, Lexington and Ashland so they can beat up on the little guy but not for the smaller schools they are trying to coerce into such a setup. As for Shelby, they already play two of the OCC schools in football and almost all of them in basketball, so any "fear of being in a league with others" applies to them too? The MOAC is a perfect fit for the schools now involved, especially for enrollment purposes and competitiveness. I would be surprised if any current MOAC school bails out the OCC schools, unless the MOAC completely implodes.
What is the fear of having bigger schools in your league? Does Pleasant help you win tournament games? Does Highland? Would beating Lex or Madison in football give you more points toward a playoff? "beat up a the little guy"? In football CF could go 3-1 against them. Shelby could go 3-1, Galion and Ontario could go 2-2. Shelby wanted in the OCC but West Holmes stopped it. So Shelby has no fear of the OCC teams. What is the gap between the largest to smallest school in the MOAC? What would the gap be from the smallest to largest in the Conrad proposed league? But I do agree, fear will keep this from happening. Galion Shelby CF and Ontario ALREADY have bigger schools in their league. THUS no fear. When Ontario was in the NOL every school but Willard was bigger. NO FEAR!! Silliness, getting beat by 30 DOES NOT help anyone get ready for the playoffs. It sure as hell doesn't help Lex OR Madison. Does the OCC help Wooster? Most years they get their arses handed to them in the first game. Ashland, have they had long RUNS? Clear Fork used to be in the OCC and they got tired of it in most all sports. Difficult to compete in some sports when the other schools have MANY more athletic athletes. Be honest, Lex knows if they could get those 4 schools in a league with them they might get over .500 now and then in football. Galion in the MOAC is 220 smaller than the largest. In the current OCC they would be 260 smaller. Only a hater tells someone or something they are fearful of an entity
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Post by sbclives on Jan 10, 2023 22:55:01 GMT -5
OCC is at 7. Let’s see who has the least amount of fear to join up. MOAC would find a replacement if Shelby left. Willard could always reunite with their old buddy Galion and join the MOAC.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 10, 2023 23:06:38 GMT -5
Shelby's relationships are just as long and strong with Ontario, Galion and CF as they are with Lex, Madison and Ashland, BUT outside of CF have never been in a league with them, except for Ontario and Lex 50 years ago.
Shelby will not always have the run of athletes they have had the past decade. I can see it coming in middle school
Doesn't anyone ever feel sorry for the schools being deserted when two leagues are destroyed to form one new league?
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 10, 2023 23:06:41 GMT -5
OCC is at 7. Let’s see who has the least amount of fear to join up. MOAC would find a replacement if Shelby left. Willard could always reunite with their old buddy Galion and join the MOAC. . Shelby isn’t leaving. Willard wouldn’t do it.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 10, 2023 23:43:17 GMT -5
OCC is at 7. Let’s see who has the least amount of fear to join up. MOAC would find a replacement if Shelby left. Willard could always reunite with their old buddy Galion and join the MOAC. . Shelby isn’t leaving. Willard wouldn’t do it. Don’t blame them. If I was in the Mid Ohio Cupcake Conference, I wouldn’t leave either.
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Post by baldref on Jan 11, 2023 10:01:13 GMT -5
Lot of hate and jealousy for Shelby by the ignorant on this site. Shelby plays Madison, Lex and Bellevue outside the league in football and as noted before virtually every OCC school in basketball. Some SBC lovers on this site hate Shelby for thumbing their nose at that dysfunctional league. There is no good reason, other than travel, to bail any other league (OCC or SBC) by joining them. The SBC and OCC have a history of turmoil and turnover and no MOAC school is going to jump into those leagues merely to appease sportswriters, dreamers or fans of those leagues. Sorry, it is not gonna happen in the near future. Hairball will be coaching in the pros before any MOAC school bails out the OCC or SBC. Shelby's unprecedented run of athletes as WF correctly notes is ending and the district is not growing. But int never hurts to keep dreaming.
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Post by dude on Jan 11, 2023 10:52:51 GMT -5
Lot of hate and jealousy for Shelby by the ignorant on this site. Shelby plays Madison, Lex and Bellevue outside the league in football and as noted before virtually every OCC school in basketball. Some SBC lovers on this site hate Shelby for thumbing their nose at that dysfunctional league. There is no good reason, other than travel, to bail any other league (OCC or SBC) by joining them. The SBC and OCC have a history of turmoil and turnover and no MOAC school is going to jump into those leagues merely to appease sportswriters, dreamers or fans of those leagues. Sorry, it is not gonna happen in the near future. Hairball will be coaching in the pros before any MOAC school bails out the OCC or SBC. Shelby's unprecedented run of athletes as WF correctly notes is ending and the district is not growing. But int never hurts to keep dreaming. I don't see the hate or jealousy of Shelby. They wanted in the OCC and was not given the chance. What is the OCC turmoil history? It is not uncommon in 2022 to have teams come and go from leagues, so turnover will be constant almost everywhere. Shelby knows that. The OCC is not looking for a bail out. As of now they have stated they are fine with a 7 team league beginning in 2024. Football is the only sport it affects as all others can pick up games that satisfy the teams. It is actually a win/win for most sports. I would disagree that Shelby has had an unprecedented run of athletes. They have good family support for their sports, good coaches and a well run athletic department. All the things that help make HS sports successful.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 11, 2023 11:02:06 GMT -5
Lot of hate and jealousy for Shelby by the ignorant on this site. Shelby plays Madison, Lex and Bellevue outside the league in football and as noted before virtually every OCC school in basketball. Some SBC lovers on this site hate Shelby for thumbing their nose at that dysfunctional league. There is no good reason, other than travel, to bail any other league (OCC or SBC) by joining them. The SBC and OCC have a history of turmoil and turnover and no MOAC school is going to jump into those leagues merely to appease sportswriters, dreamers or fans of those leagues. Sorry, it is not gonna happen in the near future. Hairball will be coaching in the pros before any MOAC school bails out the OCC or SBC. Shelby's unprecedented run of athletes as WF correctly notes is ending and the district is not growing. But int never hurts to keep dreaming. You must be reading a different site then. Everyone on here is showing support and wants to see Shelby in the OCC.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 11, 2023 13:51:20 GMT -5
. Shelby isn’t leaving. Willard wouldn’t do it. Don’t blame them. If I was in the Mid Ohio Cupcake Conference, I wouldn’t leave either. Willard isn't in the MOAC, they tried to get into the MOAC, but it was felt they would overall weaken the MOAC, so they were turned down. Shelby chose the MOAC over the Sandusky Bum Conference due to travel.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 11, 2023 14:03:34 GMT -5
Lot of hate and jealousy for Shelby by the ignorant on this site. Shelby plays Madison, Lex and Bellevue outside the league in football and as noted before virtually every OCC school in basketball. Some SBC lovers on this site hate Shelby for thumbing their nose at that dysfunctional league. There is no good reason, other than travel, to bail any other league (OCC or SBC) by joining them. The SBC and OCC have a history of turmoil and turnover and no MOAC school is going to jump into those leagues merely to appease sportswriters, dreamers or fans of those leagues. Sorry, it is not gonna happen in the near future. Hairball will be coaching in the pros before any MOAC school bails out the OCC or SBC. Shelby's unprecedented run of athletes as WF correctly notes is ending and the district is not growing. But int never hurts to keep dreaming. You must be reading a different site then. Everyone on here is showing support and wants to see Shelby in the OCC. Respect?? LOLOL. Sure they want Shelby or ANYONE in this area. The OCC is in sad shape, 7 schools is not fun and they've been there multiple times. They're so desperate they accepted a School 70 miles away from Mansfield. What school even FURTHER than Mansfield in their right mind wants that trip?? AND Orrville got out because they weren't happy with the OCC. Clear Fork got out because they weren't happy in the OCC. Mt.Vernon got out because they weren't happy in the OCC. Shelby has had multiple chances to get in the OCC, but chose not to. They are an intelligent school district.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 11, 2023 14:06:09 GMT -5
Don’t blame them. If I was in the Mid Ohio Cupcake Conference, I wouldn’t leave either. Willard isn't in the MOAC, they tried to get into the MOAC, but it was felt they would overall weaken the MOAC, so they were turned down. Shelby chose the MOAC over the Sandusky Bum Conference due to travel. I’m fully aware that Willard isn’t in the MOAC. I was referring to Shelby and not blaming them for not leaving the Mid Ohio Cupcake Conference. That Sandusky Bum Comference you are talking about what take care of business against the MOAC.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 11, 2023 14:16:03 GMT -5
Your semantics are usually poor, it sure sounded like you were talking about Willard AND Shelby.
WHY does Shelby want in a league that would "take care of business" with them. Are you suggesting the OCC is MUCH weaker than the SBC? Sure sounds like it. Since the SBC would "take care of business against the MOAC", of which Shelby is a member, then SURELY the "business" that the OCC would hand out against Shelby would be even greater.
You can "take care of business" and still be a bum. The SBC is definitely not a peachie pie. They currently have their issues, worse than the OCC
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 11, 2023 14:18:25 GMT -5
OCC is at 7. Let’s see who has the least amount of fear to join up. MOAC would find a replacement if Shelby left. Willard could always reunite with their old buddy Galion and join the MOAC. Dover had no fear, why not take them?? OH, because they're even further than their bosom buddy New Philly. THAT is the real reason they want ANY MOAC school. If they were wise and not made the silly move with New Philly, maybe they could have convinced TWO MOAC schools, but NO WAY with New Philly in the OCC will any MOAC school join. UNLESS the OCC pays their transportation costs to New Philly.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 11, 2023 14:23:21 GMT -5
OCC is at 7. Let’s see who has the least amount of fear to join up. MOAC would find a replacement if Shelby left. Willard could always reunite with their old buddy Galion and join the MOAC. Dover had no fear, why not take them?? Travel is bad enough with NP. You want to take on another road trip?
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