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Post by maverick on Nov 25, 2022 6:30:46 GMT -5
With Carrol finally out of the way who do they turn to? There should be a descent list of applicants since this is a great football school.
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Post by dude on Nov 25, 2022 15:05:57 GMT -5
With Carrol finally out of the way who do they turn to? There should be a descent list of applicants since this is a great football school. Please explain why you think this is a "great football school."
We do know this is a school whose parent involvement has forced out the softball coach, boys basketball coach and the football in the last 24 months. And the very young and successful baseball coach wanted out as well.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Nov 25, 2022 15:54:36 GMT -5
While I could possibly agree that Clear Fork is a very good football school traditionally. It starting to look like a terrible school district to coach at.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 25, 2022 16:15:53 GMT -5
While I could possibly agree that Clear Fork is a very good football school traditionally. It starting to look like a terrible school district to coach at. Legitimate question, any worse than most other local schools? I hear story after story on here about “meddling parents” and “snowflake kids.” I believe there is some truth to the stories. Is CF any worse. It’s a good community, has a football tradition, and has a nice facility. I’d imagine they will have a few choices.
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Post by runriot742 on Nov 25, 2022 16:24:52 GMT -5
I think that Clear Fork is on the cusp of being a great football school. It has a rich football history going back to the Bellville Blue Jays. Upon consolidation under Coach Fraizer they went 36-2-2. I believe the early 70s the pantry was a little bare but in 1978, they went 9-1 only losing to Loudonville in a close game which featured future Coach Beans as Loudonville's heavy hitter. The next year, in the fall of 1979 I believe they won a JAC title. There was a dry spell in the early 80s again. However, as the decade drew to a close talent and wins seemed to trend upward. In '88 and '89 they had two teams make the regional finals, one of which beat a very talented Mansfield Senior High team if I recall correctly.
Coach Sparks had a very successful run that continued into the 90s. From 1996-1998, Clear Fork made the playoffs three years straight and had some epic battles with Black River and Newark Catholic. They had a playoff team in the early 2000s. Upon the MAC's dissolution and Clear Fork's entrance into the OCC they struggled at first but eventually found their footing. Coach Beans had those two very competitive teams, especially the fall of 2005. They just had the unfortunate luck of running into Ross Holman and Coldwater; I do not know if many teams would have been able to compete with them. The next year, they lost to Ashland in double overtime and Ashland were the D2 poll champs that year. They had the very successful OCC championship team with Jake Dickerson, Jordan McCunne, Travis Hissong, etc which lost in the Regional Semifinals over in Tiffin. They had the two undefeated years back-to-back with Chrastina and won MOAC titles. Then this most recent year that culminated with another MOAC title.
I believe Clear Fork has made the playoffs approximately 15 times. They have been fortunate enough to win a conference title in every conference they've been in. They have at least one JAC, MAC, OCC, and MOAC conference title. Clear Fork's shortcoming seems to be in the post season. A perfect example of that is their loss in the late 90's to Lima Bath. They've produced several All-Ohioans, even more All District and All Conference players. The student athletes down there have shown an ability, willingness, and even eagerness to compete. However, Clear Fork is a team which traditionally struggles in the playoffs.
Consequently, I would say they are on the cusp of a great program but not quite there yet. However, I don't think any rational person would try and elevate Clear Fork to a level of program as say St. Ignatius, or several of the MAC schools, or the 1990/2000 Pleasant teams. However, with that being said, I do believe given its strong tradition there will be no shortage of qualified and energetic applicants that are seeking to etch their name into the record books and be the one responsible for getting Clear Fork over their playoff struggle hump.
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Post by tatersalad on Nov 25, 2022 18:34:30 GMT -5
When I say football school I mean we are good no matter who the coach is. Yes you will have down years but for the most part we are a winning program. Has anyone is our area been to the playoffs more than us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t put us in with the elites like St.Ed’s, Ignatius or even cold water. We are what we are and that’s a solid football team. I don’t care who the coach is they win at least 7 games next year. I’m a believer that some people overstay their welcome. Carroll and Bechtel being two of them. It was time for them both to go. Sometimes programs need a different voice. And let’s face it Carroll was going to walk out on the kids again after next season anyway. Just didn’t go out on his terms which most don’t.
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Post by runriot742 on Nov 25, 2022 20:00:16 GMT -5
When I say football school I mean we are good no matter who the coach is. Yes you will have down years but for the most part we are a winning program. Has anyone is our area been to the playoffs more than us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t put us in with the elites like St.Ed’s, Ignatius or even cold water. We are what we are and that’s a solid football team. I don’t care who the coach is they win at least 7 games next year. I’m a believer that some people overstay their welcome. Carroll and Bechtel being two of them. It was time for them both to go. Sometimes programs need a different voice. And let’s face it Carroll was going to walk out on the kids again after next season anyway. Just didn’t go out on his terms which most don’t. Undoubtedly Clear Fork had down years. And in some cases, the fault did not always lie with the coach. I can think of two classes who did not live up to their potential (fall of '07 and '08). Clear Fork like other programs has also had down years for every other circumstance known to football programs. IMO, Clear Fork is uncontrovertibly, a football school. As noted above in previous posts, Clear Fork has a rich football tradition. As far as Richland County Playoff Appearances, I believe you are correct in that Clear Fork has the most. However, as emphasized above Clear Fork's appearances do not often translate into success. The most successful Richland County program when it comes to playoffs is Galion considering they have a playoff title. Followed by Senior and Lucas with their runner-up finishes. I'd probably give the edge to Lucas considering they have had several regional final appearances. Next I would put Shelby since they have a final four appearance. Then Clear Fork because there are no regional titles or anything further. However, Clear Fork does a better job getting invited to the dance than any other Richland County Program. Next year, I believe 7 or more wins is very realistic, and 7 wins may be the basement. I can't speak to basketball, but I believe your assessment of football is facially valid. And some of those upset seem to be because for once Dave was not in control and could only accept the consequences and not manipulate the facts/circumstances to his benefit.
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Post by maverick on Nov 25, 2022 20:32:20 GMT -5
I agree with the fact CF hasn’t had the playoff success. But they have a way tougher region than most of those schools you speak of. Other schools have had an easier road. Carroll tried to put out his story and push his narrative. The facts are he didn’t hug it out with the coach he got in the argument with as stated. He also left and wasn’t hanging out in the locker room. My question is this guy is a dictator. He just left the locker room not talking to the kids which he has never done before ? Why would he not go out and tell them to get in the locker room? He said he didn’t want to talk to them on the field and embarrass them in front of family and friends. What could you possibly have to say negatively after a 56-26 playoff win? Seems to me the guy would be impossible to make happy.
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Post by dude on Nov 25, 2022 20:40:31 GMT -5
While I could possibly agree that Clear Fork is a very good football school traditionally. It starting to look like a terrible school district to coach at. Legitimate question, any worse than most other local schools? I hear story after story on here about “meddling parents” and “snowflake kids.” I believe there is some truth to the stories. Is CF any worse. It’s a good community, has a football tradition, and has a nice facility. I’d imagine they will have a few choices. I think this is a more accurate statement. They have a football tradition but they are not IMO, a "great football school".
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Post by sportsfan15 on Nov 25, 2022 20:45:24 GMT -5
With Carrol finally out of the way who do they turn to? There should be a descent list of applicants since this is a great football school. There are two cf grads currently at Fredericktown coaching that have been rumored to be interested, one younger alum that coached at senior high when they went to state in 2019 that took a new job but rumor has it he’d be interested, speculation about some early Carroll assistants that may be interested. Several questions I have… is there anyone on staff or in the district that are qualified/interested? Does administration think it’s time to look outside of homegrown leadership? Since Carroll wasn’t really a full time teacher, is there even a job that comes with this?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2022 21:04:30 GMT -5
When I say football school I mean we are good no matter who the coach is. Yes you will have down years but for the most part we are a winning program. Has anyone is our area been to the playoffs more than us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t put us in with the elites like St.Ed’s, Ignatius or even cold water. We are what we are and that’s a solid football team. I don’t care who the coach is they win at least 7 games next year. I’m a believer that some people overstay their welcome. Carroll and Bechtel being two of them. It was time for them both to go. Sometimes programs need a different voice. And let’s face it Carroll was going to walk out on the kids again after next season anyway. Just didn’t go out on his terms which most don’t. Undoubtedly Clear Fork had down years. And in some cases, the fault did not always lie with the coach. I can think of two classes who did not live up to their potential (fall of '07 and '08). Clear Fork like other programs has also had down years for every other circumstance known to football programs. IMO, Clear Fork is uncontrovertibly, a football school. As noted above in previous posts, Clear Fork has a rich football tradition. As far as Richland County Playoff Appearances, I believe you are correct in that Clear Fork has the most. However, as emphasized above Clear Fork's appearances do not often translate into success. The most successful Richland County program when it comes to playoffs is Galion considering they have a playoff title. Followed by Senior and Lucas with their runner-up finishes. I'd probably give the edge to Lucas considering they have had several regional final appearances. Next I would put Shelby since they have a final four appearance. Then Clear Fork because there are no regional titles or anything further. However, Clear Fork does a better job getting invited to the dance than any other Richland County Program. Next year, I believe 7 or more wins is very realistic, and 7 wins may be the basement. I can't speak to basketball, but I believe your assessment of football is facially valid. And some of those upset seem to be because for once Dave was not in control and could only accept the consequences and not manipulate the facts/circumstances to his benefit. CF has had good teams, but not great teams. They've had good players but not great players. They've had good athletes but not great athletes. From decades of watching coaching and playing I've observed.....They've not had great players like Shelby or a bunch of athletes like Senior. Their problem is there will always be a Glenville, West Holmes, Perkins, Elyria Catholic, Van Wert, Bellevue, Shelby or many of them ahead of the Colts in the playoffs. Not saying they shouldn't strive to be the best, but it is an uphill battle even for a good team. Clear Fork coaches and players have done just about as much as possible for a country school that has grown into DIV
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Post by malabar10 on Nov 27, 2022 21:20:10 GMT -5
Would a very good D-Coordinator with Valley ties that got run off by Carroll come back and bring a young OC with him from a school that's had a lot of success? Just asking!
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Post by sportsfan15 on Nov 29, 2022 8:26:53 GMT -5
Would a very good D-Coordinator with Valley ties that got run off by Carroll come back and bring a young OC with him from a school that's had a lot of success? Just asking! From things I have heard, this would make many people in the community happy... including these 2 coaches you reference.
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Post by dude on Nov 30, 2022 13:36:04 GMT -5
Would a very good D-Coordinator with Valley ties that got run off by Carroll come back and bring a young OC with him from a school that's had a lot of success? Just asking! Do you really think the Mansfield DC and OC would both leave to go to Clear Fork?
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Post by runriot742 on Nov 30, 2022 21:38:13 GMT -5
Clear Fork job was posted today. Will be interesting to see who all applies.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 30, 2022 23:42:37 GMT -5
Would a very good D-Coordinator with Valley ties that got run off by Carroll come back and bring a young OC with him from a school that's had a lot of success? Just asking! Do you really think the Mansfield DC and OC would both leave to go to Clear Fork? One might, to be the head guy, but for the other it would be less than a lateral move.
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Post by dude on Dec 5, 2022 12:16:03 GMT -5
Clear Fork job was posted today. Will be interesting to see who all applies. The process has begun and the names may or may not be coming in. It's a bad look for CF but if you can handle the parent involvement and hard criticism, it may be a nice step for a good young coach.
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Post by sportsfan15 on Dec 8, 2022 14:59:14 GMT -5
Anyone hearing any names that may have thrown their hat in the ring?
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Dec 10, 2022 6:01:47 GMT -5
In 17 Playoff Appearances, Colts are 8-17
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Post by runriot742 on Dec 10, 2022 6:52:23 GMT -5
In 17 Playoff Appearances, Colts are 8-17 The first win was in the fall of '05 against Milton Union Correct? Never mind, I stand corrected. I have recently been informed that it was either the 88 or 89 team which subsequently fell to Versailles 3-0 in the regional final.
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Post by runriot742 on Dec 10, 2022 7:16:34 GMT -5
I don't think I'm misremembering. However, that's always a possibility. But, at one point in time, didn't the Clear Fork School website have a decent history of the Football Program? It included a w/l record against every opponent, listed every conference title, every former captain, every player who was All-Ohio and All Conference?
This wasn't a fever dream, right?
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 10, 2022 8:10:36 GMT -5
In 17 Playoff Appearances, Colts are 8-17 I don’t know the dates of the years they got in, but at one point making the playoffs really meant something. Just making it in was an accomplishment. My high school had a stretch from ‘72-‘79 where they lost 5 games and made the playoffs zero times. Three of those losses were in one year. So in eight years they were undefeated five times, had one loss two time, and went 6-3 once and never made the playoffs. Starting with the increase in divisions and now the additional round of games you have a valid point. IMO if you make the playoffs now and don’t go at least .500 that year you didn’t deserve to make the playoffs.
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Post by runriot742 on Dec 10, 2022 8:17:17 GMT -5
In 17 Playoff Appearances, Colts are 8-17 I don’t know the dates of the years they got in, but at one point making the playoffs really meant something. Just making it in was an accomplishment. My high school had a stretch from ‘72-‘79 where they lost 5 games and made the playoffs zero times. Three of those losses were in one year. So in eight years they were undefeated five times, had one loss two time, and went 6-3 once and never made the playoffs. Starting with the increase in divisions and now the additional round of games you have a valid point. IMO if you make the playoffs now and don’t go at least .500 that year you didn’t deserve to make the playoffs. I can probably piece together most years. 88, 89, 94,95,96,97,98, 02,05,06, 10, 17, 18, 20,21,22. So I think I'm missing one year between 2010-17.
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 10, 2022 8:31:43 GMT -5
I don’t know the dates of the years they got in, but at one point making the playoffs really meant something. Just making it in was an accomplishment. My high school had a stretch from ‘72-‘79 where they lost 5 games and made the playoffs zero times. Three of those losses were in one year. So in eight years they were undefeated five times, had one loss two time, and went 6-3 once and never made the playoffs. Starting with the increase in divisions and now the additional round of games you have a valid point. IMO if you make the playoffs now and don’t go at least .500 that year you didn’t deserve to make the playoffs. I can probably piece together most years. 88, 89, 94,95,96,97,98, 02,05,06, 10, 17, 18, 20,21,22. So I think I'm missing one year between 2010-17. So all of those are after the division expansion started, but some are before the extra round was added. That helps for perspective. They made the playoffs when it was a little easier, but not all during the current participation ribbon era.
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Post by runriot742 on Dec 10, 2022 8:43:23 GMT -5
I can probably piece together most years. 88, 89, 94,95,96,97,98, 02,05,06, 10, 17, 18, 20,21,22. So I think I'm missing one year between 2010-17. So all of those are after the division expansion started, but some are before the extra round was added. That helps for perspective. They made the playoffs when it was a little easier, but not all during the current participation ribbon era. So the 88-98 playoff teams made it when they took 4 out of each region. The 88 and 89 teams qualified when there were only five divisions. In 1994 a 6th division was added. All teams prior to 99 qualified as a top 4 team in their region. I know the '02 team traveled. The '05 team hosted Milton Union before getting blasted by Coldwater over in Kenton. That was an *** kicking I never want to experience again. The '06 team traveled to Oak Harbor and got rocked. I know the 2010 team hosted before losing over in Tiffin to I believe Genoa Area. The 2017 and '18 teams hosted. 20 everyone made it. 21 and 22 they took the top 16. However, in 22 Cf hosted, I beleive as a 5 seed.
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Post by runriot742 on Dec 10, 2022 8:53:34 GMT -5
Out of those playoff teams the strongest was probably 1989, following by 2010, and then 1998. The 89 team beat a very good Mansfield Senior at Arlin, and was filled with studs like Mr. Thorne. The 2010 team had so much talent it was silly. I still can't wrap my head around how they lost over in Tiffin. The 1998 team had a great line and running game. incredibly tough defense led by Coach Gary Beal.
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 10, 2022 8:57:24 GMT -5
So all of those are after the division expansion started, but some are before the extra round was added. That helps for perspective. They made the playoffs when it was a little easier, but not all during the current participation ribbon era. So the 88-98 playoff teams made it when they took 4 out of each region. The 88 and 89 teams qualified when there were only five divisions. In 1994 a 6th division was added. All teams prior to 99 qualified as a top 4 team in their region. I know the '02 team traveled. The '05 team hosted Milton Union before getting blasted by Coldwater over in Kenton. That was an *** kicking I never want to experience again. The '06 team traveled to Oak Harbor and got rocked. I know the 2010 team hosted before losing over in Tiffin to I believe Genoa Area. The 2017 and '18 teams hosted. 20 everyone made it. 21 and 22 they took the top 16. However, in 22 Cf hosted, I beleive as a 5 seed. Yep. I thought the five division expansion was in the late 80’s. The eight year stretch I was referring to was the era of four per region and three divisions (A, AA, AAA). If you lost in the first round and had a playoff record under .500 you could still be proud of your program.
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Post by runriot742 on Dec 10, 2022 8:59:22 GMT -5
So the 88-98 playoff teams made it when they took 4 out of each region. The 88 and 89 teams qualified when there were only five divisions. In 1994 a 6th division was added. All teams prior to 99 qualified as a top 4 team in their region. I know the '02 team traveled. The '05 team hosted Milton Union before getting blasted by Coldwater over in Kenton. That was an *** kicking I never want to experience again. The '06 team traveled to Oak Harbor and got rocked. I know the 2010 team hosted before losing over in Tiffin to I believe Genoa Area. The 2017 and '18 teams hosted. 20 everyone made it. 21 and 22 they took the top 16. However, in 22 Cf hosted, I beleive as a 5 seed. Yep. I thought the five division expansion was in the late 80’s. The eight year stretch I was referring to was the era of four per region and three divisions (A, AA, AAA). If you lost in the first round and had a playoff record under .500 you could still be proud of your program. That is accurate. I know the '79 team went 9-1 (with something stupid like 6 shutouts) and I believe finished in the top 10 in the AP/UPI poll however, they only took the top 2 out of each region. So CF did not make the AAA playoffs that year.
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Post by richrod on Dec 10, 2022 11:35:45 GMT -5
Anyone hearing any names that may have thrown their hat in the ring? Heard the Lucas coach may have kicked the tires on this job. I have not verified it but it wouldn't surprise me. I'd think stupka will apply as he was on staff and has HC experience. It'll likely come down to a candidate they can get in the district I would think
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Post by dude on Dec 10, 2022 12:40:33 GMT -5
In 17 Playoff Appearances, Colts are 8-17 I don’t know the dates of the years they got in, but at one point making the playoffs really meant something. Just making it in was an accomplishment. My high school had a stretch from ‘72-‘79 where they lost 5 games and made the playoffs zero times. Three of those losses were in one year. So in eight years they were undefeated five times, had one loss two time, and went 6-3 once and never made the playoffs. Starting with the increase in divisions and now the additional round of games you have a valid point. IMO if you make the playoffs now and don’t go at least .500 that year you didn’t deserve to make the playoffs. But you are old and that was back when only 4 schools per region made the playoffs.
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