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Post by ronmexico on Dec 7, 2022 12:36:40 GMT -5
Thought's on a shot clock?
I like the idea for various reasons, but I understand why some do not. From the basketball side of it, I like what it means for the last minute or two of a close game, or how it picks up the pace of the game. For the few who get to go on and play basketball at the next level it can help prepare them also. Those old Holgate teams of the past would have never won a state championship with it.
I think Ohio adopts one in the next five years. I heard there was a push from schools that seem to have the OHSAA's ear.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Dec 7, 2022 13:31:47 GMT -5
Lex put shot clocks in the gym at the new high school. I think it may be coming soon also. I also think the no charge zone in the lane should be implemented.
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Post by browns624 on Dec 7, 2022 13:58:17 GMT -5
I think a shot clock is very much needed. Speeds up the game and allows for more comebacks and better games. Teams up late can't just play keep away.
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Post by browns624 on Dec 7, 2022 14:25:37 GMT -5
Cavs players in Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland were at the Garfield Heights vs Cleveland Heights game a few days ago and they seem to agree that a shot clock is needed in HS
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Post by piratefan on Dec 7, 2022 14:44:31 GMT -5
Count me as another shot clock supporter. Nothing more boring or frustrating than watching a team just stand there and dribble off the last minute and a half of a game.
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Post by todd on Dec 7, 2022 16:48:48 GMT -5
Yes please. But what is appropriate time for high school?
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Post by sportsvideo on Dec 7, 2022 19:42:47 GMT -5
not a shot clock fan at high school level.. but if there is one national federation rules is 35 seconds.. i get to hear all the chirping of bad teams will get better with one... LOOK a bad program is a bad program. can we make man to man defense mandatory? can we give the team winning by 10 with a minute to go the option to shoot free throws or inbound the ball ? if we want to speed up the game then stop fouling. But i get it it gets boring to see a team go 4 corners.. much of the time its a team blowing out another that wants to slow it down ..
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Post by mrsteel on Dec 7, 2022 23:48:56 GMT -5
No. Can’t even get enough people to run things now at a lot of schools.
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Post by gibby23 on Dec 8, 2022 8:53:12 GMT -5
I would like to see a shot clock also, but i agree with mrsteel that some schools cant get enough people to run things now, this would make it an even bigger burden on some of the Athletic Directors.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Dec 8, 2022 9:11:46 GMT -5
Lex put shot clocks in the gym at the new high school. I think it may be coming soon also. I also think the no charge zone in the lane should be implemented. Fostoria installed the equipment recently as well. I noticed it when I was at Fostoria last week for a game.
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Post by 419bossman on Dec 8, 2022 9:37:39 GMT -5
I would like to see them do a trial run of the Shot Clock just like they did with the running clock. Use it in the tournaments to see if can work, I would like to see it especially at the District, Regional, and State level.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 8, 2022 10:59:46 GMT -5
Expensive purchase for a "trial run". Now if the OHSAA purchased the shot clocks, installed them in the gym, and supplied the personnel to run them. I'm ok with a "trial run". Not an easy thing to install unless the gym/backboards were fitted to install them over/on the top of the back boards, where they are visible to the players. Where the shot clocks are placed should be standard by OHSAA rule in all gyms. Will new back boards need to be purchased or reto-fitted for the shot clocks to be installed where they should be? Can they be installed on backboards that are raised so gyms can be used for other functions other than basketball? THINK about all the potential issues, easy to say DO, but....
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Dec 8, 2022 16:10:27 GMT -5
I like the idea of starting a shot clock in some tournament play to break it in, but it seems wholly unfair for a team to build an offensive concept and pace in one ruleset vs another in tournament play. Kalida of old would be bewildered.
I wouldn't gripe if there were shot clocks at games, but the logistics behind making it all happen are enough to make me bite my tongue.
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Post by 419bossman on Dec 9, 2022 7:43:54 GMT -5
If the OHSAA ever considers to adopt a shot clock, I hope that they go to Illinois to see how it is done and how did the schools do to get the clocks installed. If there is any thought of bringing in a Shot Clock I think the earliest that is can be adopted would between 2024-2027.
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Post by piratefan on Dec 9, 2022 12:18:44 GMT -5
How about a person just standing there dribbling to run out the clock has a 10 second limit before they have to do something, just like the five second inbound rule. Just a thought. Not sure what the answer is, but, imho, a team shouldn't be allowed to just dribble the ball continuosly for minutes at a time. That's boring.
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Post by todd on Dec 9, 2022 16:31:48 GMT -5
Expensive purchase for a "trial run". Now if the OHSAA purchased the shot clocks, installed them in the gym, and supplied the personnel to run them. I'm ok with a "trial run". Not an easy thing to install unless the gym/backboards were fitted to install them over/on the top of the back boards, where they are visible to the players. Where the shot clocks are placed should be standard by OHSAA rule in all gyms. Will new back boards need to be purchased or reto-fitted for the shot clocks to be installed where they should be? Can they be installed on backboards that are raised so gyms can be used for other functions other than basketball? THINK about all the potential issues, easy to say DO, but.... I’m not holding my breath on the OHSAA paying for anything. Take our referee shortage for example. If they gave their member schools x amount of dollars, toward officials we could pay officials more. This is the same group that is putting 16 teams in the playoffs to makeup from covid.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 9, 2022 17:17:46 GMT -5
How about a person just standing there dribbling to run out the clock has a 10 second limit before they have to do something, just like the five second inbound rule. Just a thought. Not sure what the answer is, but, imho, a team shouldn't be allowed to just dribble the ball continuosly for minutes at a time. That's boring. They can't if closely guarded
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Post by falcon87 on Dec 9, 2022 19:34:06 GMT -5
I would like to see them do a trial run of the Shot Clock just like they did with the running clock. Use it in the tournaments to see if can work, I would like to see it especially at the District, Regional, and State level. So after 22 regular season games and a sectional game or two change the rules of the game??? Just to make it more interesting change the diameter of the rim and ball while allowing only fan-shaped backboards. Terrible idea in my opinion, either all in all season or forget it.
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Post by don on Dec 10, 2022 3:02:22 GMT -5
How about a person just standing there dribbling to run out the clock has a 10 second limit before they have to do something, just like the five second inbound rule. Just a thought. Not sure what the answer is, but, imho, a team shouldn't be allowed to just dribble the ball continuosly for minutes at a time. That's boring. it’s called play better defense & anticipate
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Post by piratefan on Dec 10, 2022 8:23:51 GMT -5
How about a person just standing there dribbling to run out the clock has a 10 second limit before they have to do something, just like the five second inbound rule. Just a thought. Not sure what the answer is, but, imho, a team shouldn't be allowed to just dribble the ball continuosly for minutes at a time. That's boring. it’s called play better defense & anticipate Well, I call it boring.
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Post by sportsvideo on Dec 10, 2022 8:56:04 GMT -5
it’s called play better defense & anticipate Well, I call it boring. so is playing a 2-3 zone defense where you're guarding just your zone, if a team is holding the ball, get out after them...trap it.. do something besides sit there.. you talked about how good the huron-margaretta game was.. and you're right that took us back a few years.. great shooting. didn't need a shot clock.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 10, 2022 12:15:41 GMT -5
Why allow a coach to dictate how the other team MUST play the game?
IF your team is a lot taller and not as quick as your opponent. AND the opponent is not a good outside shooting team and thus their offense revolves around penetrating and getting shots close to the basket. It is then a great benefit to play a zone and force a team to shoot 3-pointers that they will likely miss and having a much taller team you will get most of the rebounds. A strategy best suited for your team.
Therefore the best strategy for the other team is to hold the ball and force the taller less athletic team to come out of their zone and play man OR extend their zone and become less effective.
A shot clock will take a lot of coaching strategy out of the high school games. High school basketball is A LOT different than college and Pro basketball. High schools must play with the kids in their district. College and NBA play with THE best players in the country that they recruit/draft and pay. Thus a shot clock makes sense in college and the NBA, but favors some schools over the other in high school.
ALSO, there are offensive sets that allow the team with a lead to take time off the clock AND score as well. AGAIN a good coaching strategy.
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Post by dude on Dec 10, 2022 12:31:30 GMT -5
so is playing a 2-3 zone defense where you're guarding just your zone, if a team is holding the ball, get out after them...trap it.. do something besides sit there.. you talked about how good the huron-margaretta game was.. and you're right that took us back a few years.. great shooting. didn't need a shot clock. If the 2-3 zone is literally just sitting there, why would you want to just hold the ball? Keep playing and win by more points.
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Post by dude on Dec 10, 2022 12:36:35 GMT -5
Todays teams look for quick shots and many play up-tempo as much as they can. If you were to stat a large group of HS games you would probably find that most possessions do not last past 35 seconds. There may be a few key or memorable plays that last longer but not many with out a shot or turnover. I don't see this changing the game much at all.
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Post by sportsvideo on Dec 10, 2022 13:18:15 GMT -5
so is playing a 2-3 zone defense where you're guarding just your zone, if a team is holding the ball, get out after them...trap it.. do something besides sit there.. you talked about how good the huron-margaretta game was.. and you're right that took us back a few years.. great shooting. didn't need a shot clock. If the 2-3 zone is literally just sitting there, why would you want to just hold the ball? Keep playing and win by more points. if im up big i will shorten the game to keep the score.. same as football if i throw and throw and throw and the score is big in my favor.. i don't just keep doing it.. i will now run the ball to keep that score respectable yet run time off the clock..
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Post by dude on Dec 11, 2022 11:21:43 GMT -5
If the 2-3 zone is literally just sitting there, why would you want to just hold the ball? Keep playing and win by more points. if im up big i will shorten the game to keep the score.. same as football if i throw and throw and throw and the score is big in my favor.. i don't just keep doing it.. i will now run the ball to keep that score respectable yet run time off the clock.. Every team has a bench that normally does not play in every game. If you have cleared the bench, let the game go one.
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 11, 2022 17:36:58 GMT -5
The shot clock, the charge circle, illegal defense. All rules to make the game more exciting for people who don’t know about the subtleties of the game.
Shot clocks produce last second shots which everyone loves. It takes away a less athletic more disciplined team’s ability to run an offense long enough to break down the defense and get easy looks.
The circle creates more dunks which everyone loves. How does a 6’ kid stop a 6’7” kid driving down the lane? He steps in, holds his ground, and takes a charge.
Illegal defense (obviously at the pro level) discouraged help side defense.
I love the game of basketball. I still play at 51. I watch it a lot. My favorite level is high school. There is always a rural school in Columbus with mediocre athletes that competes in the state tournament doing all the little things that I notice and appreciate.
I don’t get soccer. Never played. The little things escape me. Make the goal bigger. Put the goalie in weighted cleats. They’ll score more and maybe I’ll watch, but people who love and know soccer will hate it.
Let the pros change the game to sell tickets. Keep the high school level pure.
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Post by sportsvideo on Jan 18, 2023 17:40:06 GMT -5
How about a person just standing there dribbling to run out the clock has a 10 second limit before they have to do something, just like the five second inbound rule. Just a thought. Not sure what the answer is, but, imho, a team shouldn't be allowed to just dribble the ball continuosly for minutes at a time. That's boring. on the other side.. a team playing a 2-3 zone will now stay in it because they know you're smaller team is going to have to chuck it from the cheap seats. instead of them coming out to play defense.. two sides to every coin. Willard runs a very effective 1-3-1 half court defense, and its tough to play keep away from them.
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