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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 24, 2016 14:43:42 GMT -5
Your words say otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 23:41:38 GMT -5
Of course it couldn't possibly be the reader's interpretation.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 25, 2016 16:06:45 GMT -5
The State of Ohio interpretation. Call those who monitor Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy and tell them that your definition of a family using Open Open Enrollment is "running" and see what they think of you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 19:25:47 GMT -5
If you have ever talked to a state official about open enrollment or transferring as a tuition student you would know that the state assumes that many of the moves are made because people want out of where they are. Not because another school has great facilities. The term running was meant to be used in the sense of running from something rather than running to something.
But once again you have made a mountain out of a pebble. Congratulations sabotaging another topic.
Talk with a state official or even a county curriculum officer before you make silly statements again.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 26, 2016 21:33:58 GMT -5
I've read Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy. No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works.
Those that want "out of where they are" in this area have their choice of more than a dozen schools districts. Give us a list of the districts that have people camping out overnight before the first day for applications EVERY year. Give us a list of the districts that have to turn away students, let alone 40. Tell us, why do families want to get their kids "out of where they are"? If they want "out of where they are", wouldn't logic follow that they want into some place better? If they want into some place better, wouldn't they try for THE best alternative?
If you've ever talked to people in the state government that oversee Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy they will tell you it was created to increase educational opportunity for ALL students. Talk with families that live in school districts that get failing grades from the state year after year after year before you make asinine discriminatory statements again.
You discriminatory thoughts on Open Enrollment are the mountain to overcome. The hole you've dug for yourself with "running" has created the mountain.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 21:45:51 GMT -5
I've read Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy. No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works.Those that want "out of where they are" in this area have their choice of more than a dozen schools districts. Give us a list of the districts that have people camping out overnight before the first day for applications EVERY year. Give us a list of the districts that have to turn away students, let alone 40. Tell us, why do families want to get their kids "out of where they are"? If they want "out of where they are", wouldn't logic follow that they want into some place better? If they want into some place better, wouldn't they try for THE best alternative? You discriminatory thoughts on Open Enrollment are the mountain to overcome. The hole you've dug for yourself with "running" has created the mountain. Talk with families that live in school districts that get failing grades from the state year after year after year before you make asinine discriminatory statements again. I'm expecting crickets, instead of answers. Show where I said it was worded in the policy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 21:47:51 GMT -5
I've read Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy. No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works. Those that want "out of where they are" in this area have their choice of more than a dozen schools districts. Give us a list of the districts that have people camping out overnight before the first day for applications EVERY year. Give us a list of the districts that have to turn away students, let alone 40. Tell us, why do families want to get their kids "out of where they are"? If they want "out of where they are", wouldn't logic follow that they want into some place better? If they want into some place better, wouldn't they try for THE best alternative? You discriminatory thoughts on Open Enrollment are the mountain to overcome. The hole you've dug for yourself with "running" has created the mountain. Talk with families that live in school districts that get failing grades from the state year after year after year before you make asinine discriminatory statements again. I'm expecting crickets, instead of answers. Not sure how large "this area" is but Richland County only has 6 schools with full open enrollment
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 21:53:36 GMT -5
I've read Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy. No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works. Those that want "out of where they are" in this area have their choice of more than a dozen schools districts. Give us a list of the districts that have people camping out overnight before the first day for applications EVERY year. Give us a list of the districts that have to turn away students, let alone 40. Tell us, why do families want to get their kids "out of where they are"? If they want "out of where they are", wouldn't logic follow that they want into some place better? If they want into some place better, wouldn't they try for THE best alternative?You discriminatory thoughts on Open Enrollment are the mountain to overcome. The hole you've dug for yourself with "running" has created the mountain. Talk with families that live in school districts that get failing grades from the state year after year after year before you make asinine discriminatory statements again. I'm expecting crickets, instead of answers. Neither of us know why every family wants to leave their district, but that is the reason the policy was established. To allow parents to move their kids from a their district to another. YOU may see it as the best alternative. Other may see it as the most convenient alternative. Living in Mansfield and getting to Shelby, Clear Fork, Lucas or Plymouth can be more difficult than getting to Ontario. But honestly, we will never know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 21:55:42 GMT -5
I've read Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy. No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works. Those that want "out of where they are" in this area have their choice of more than a dozen schools districts. Give us a list of the districts that have people camping out overnight before the first day for applications EVERY year. Give us a list of the districts that have to turn away students, let alone 40. Tell us, why do families want to get their kids "out of where they are"? If they want "out of where they are", wouldn't logic follow that they want into some place better? If they want into some place better, wouldn't they try for THE best alternative? You discriminatory thoughts on Open Enrollment are the mountain to overcome. The hole you've dug for yourself with "running" has created the mountain. Talk with families that live in school districts that get failing grades from the state year after year after year before you make asinine discriminatory statements again. I'm expecting crickets, instead of answers. I do so on a fairly regular basis. That is how I know for them it is more about the running from than it is the running to. Not everyone has the means to be able to pick up and move.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 26, 2016 22:01:03 GMT -5
I've read Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy. No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works.Those that want "out of where they are" in this area have their choice of more than a dozen schools districts. Give us a list of the districts that have people camping out overnight before the first day for applications EVERY year. Give us a list of the districts that have to turn away students, let alone 40. Tell us, why do families want to get their kids "out of where they are"? If they want "out of where they are", wouldn't logic follow that they want into some place better? If they want into some place better, wouldn't they try for THE best alternative? You discriminatory thoughts on Open Enrollment are the mountain to overcome. The hole you've dug for yourself with "running" has created the mountain. Talk with families that live in school districts that get failing grades from the state year after year after year before you make asinine discriminatory statements again. I'm expecting crickets, instead of answers. Show where I said it was worded in the policy. OBVIOUSLY your word "running" isn't in the policy. Your word "running" is discriminatory and insulting to families looking for a better educational opportunity for their children.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 22:03:14 GMT -5
Your statement was the obvious one. " No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works." It's a simple word. You are spinning it into a meaning to satisfy you. Nothing else.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 26, 2016 22:23:23 GMT -5
I've read Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy. No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works. Those that want "out of where they are" in this area have their choice of more than a dozen schools districts. Give us a list of the districts that have people camping out overnight before the first day for applications EVERY year. Give us a list of the districts that have to turn away students, let alone 40. Tell us, why do families want to get their kids "out of where they are"? If they want "out of where they are", wouldn't logic follow that they want into some place better? If they want into some place better, wouldn't they try for THE best alternative? You discriminatory thoughts on Open Enrollment are the mountain to overcome. The hole you've dug for yourself with "running" has created the mountain. Talk with families that live in school districts that get failing grades from the state year after year after year before you make asinine discriminatory statements again. I'm expecting crickets, instead of answers. Not sure how large "this area" is but Richland County only has 6 schools with full open enrollment Are you aware that all school districts that choose to participate in Open Enrollment(80% do) must choose to accept students from only adjacent districts OR all districts in Ohio. 482 choose all districts in Ohio, only 53 choose just adjacent districts. THUS "this area" could be the entire state, which is silly. However, someone in a Richland County district could chose to send their children to a school in Ashland, Knox, Morrow, Crawford or Huron counties, just the surrounding counties. Making more than a dozen choices. You ALSO forgot the private schools.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 26, 2016 22:34:39 GMT -5
I've read Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy. No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works. Those that want "out of where they are" in this area have their choice of more than a dozen schools districts. Give us a list of the districts that have people camping out overnight before the first day for applications EVERY year. Give us a list of the districts that have to turn away students, let alone 40. Tell us, why do families want to get their kids "out of where they are"? If they want "out of where they are", wouldn't logic follow that they want into some place better? If they want into some place better, wouldn't they try for THE best alternative? You discriminatory thoughts on Open Enrollment are the mountain to overcome. The hole you've dug for yourself with "running" has created the mountain. Talk with families that live in school districts that get failing grades from the state year after year after year before you make asinine discriminatory statements again. I'm expecting crickets, instead of answers. I do so on a fairly regular basis. That is how I know for them it is more about the running from than it is the running to. Not everyone has the means to be able to pick up and move. Giving your children a better educational opportunity IS NOT "running", to or from. It is an ignorant hate filled word when used to describe Open Enrollment. THE WORST example of your dark side ever shown.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 26, 2016 22:45:59 GMT -5
Your statement was the obvious one. " No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works." It's a simple word. You are spinning it into a meaning to satisfy you. Nothing else. It was a TERRIBLE hateful selection of a verb by you. You could be a bigger man and admit you were wrong for using it. A more accurate, nicer, more understanding word would have been "leave". You showed disdain for those that must use Open Enrollment to give their children a better educational opportunity. Not all are as lucky as you or me. Why not show some compassion?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 26, 2016 23:02:10 GMT -5
I've read Ohio's Open Enrollment Policy. No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works. Those that want "out of where they are" in this area have their choice of more than a dozen schools districts. Give us a list of the districts that have people camping out overnight before the first day for applications EVERY year. Give us a list of the districts that have to turn away students, let alone 40. Tell us, why do families want to get their kids "out of where they are"? If they want "out of where they are", wouldn't logic follow that they want into some place better? If they want into some place better, wouldn't they try for THE best alternative?You discriminatory thoughts on Open Enrollment are the mountain to overcome. The hole you've dug for yourself with "running" has created the mountain. Talk with families that live in school districts that get failing grades from the state year after year after year before you make asinine discriminatory statements again. I'm expecting crickets, instead of answers. Neither of us know why every family wants to leave their district, but that is the reason the policy was established. To allow parents to move their kids from a their district to another. YOU may see it as the best alternative. Other may see it as the most convenient alternative. Living in Mansfield and getting to Shelby, Clear Fork, Lucas or Plymouth can be more difficult than getting to Ontario. But honestly, we will never know. It is just as easy to get to Madison from Mansfield Senior as it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get from Shelby to Madison as it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get to Crestline from Galion as it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get to Mansfield Senior or Madison from St.Petes and Mansfield Christian as it is Ontario. It is EASIER to get to Plymouth from Shelby than it is to Ontario. It is easier to get to Madison from Lucas than it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get to Madison, Mansfield Senior or Clear Fork from Lexington than it is to Ontario. Students from EVERY school in Richland country and some from outside of Richland County have Open Enrolled to Ontario, when there just as close or closer schools. SO many want to that MANY must be turned away.
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Post by mrsteel on Oct 27, 2016 0:08:57 GMT -5
Open enrollment lets you sponge off of a better district WITHOUT moving in and paying their taxes. Some in Ontario believe that's a good thing. I believe its a travesty.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 4:24:00 GMT -5
Not sure how large "this area" is but Richland County only has 6 schools with full open enrollment Are you aware that all school districts that choose to participate in Open Enrollment(80% do) must choose to accept students from only adjacent districts OR all districts in Ohio. 482 choose all districts in Ohio, only 53 choose just adjacent districts. THUS "this area" could be the entire state, which is silly. However, someone in a Richland County district could chose to send their children to a school in Ashland, Knox, Morrow, Crawford or Huron counties, just the surrounding counties. Making more than a dozen choices. You ALSO forgot the private schools. At a private school you woukd be a tuition student not an open enrolled student. I see this area as local. But that is why I stated the difference.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 4:27:04 GMT -5
I do so on a fairly regular basis. That is how I know for them it is more about the running from than it is the running to. Not everyone has the means to be able to pick up and move. Giving your children a better educational opportunity IS NOT "running", to or from. It is an ignorant hate filled word when used to describe Open Enrollment. THE WORST example of your dark side ever shown. For the process to begin you have to want to leave something. Running is just a word. Your history is spinning words to fit your needs. This is no different.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 4:31:06 GMT -5
Your statement was the obvious one. " No where is your word "running", used to describe how it works." It's a simple word. You are spinning it into a meaning to satisfy you. Nothing else. It was a TERRIBLE hateful selection of a verb by you. You could be a bigger man and admit you were wrong for using it. A more accurate, nicer, more understanding word would have been "leave". You showed disdain for those that must use Open Enrollment to give their children a better educational opportunity. Not all are as lucky as you or me. Why not show some compassion? There was NO hate, discrimination or anger used in the statement. My own family has open enrollment in the actions and I support it 100%. But what you cannot addmit is that it begins with wanting to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 4:36:35 GMT -5
Neither of us know why every family wants to leave their district, but that is the reason the policy was established. To allow parents to move their kids from a their district to another. YOU may see it as the best alternative. Other may see it as the most convenient alternative. Living in Mansfield and getting to Shelby, Clear Fork, Lucas or Plymouth can be more difficult than getting to Ontario. But honestly, we will never know. It is just as easy to get to Madison from Mansfield Senior as it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get from Shelby to Madison as it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get to Crestline from Galion as it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get to Mansfield Senior or Madison from St.Petes and Mansfield Christian as it is Ontario. It is EASIER to get to Plymouth from Shelby than it is to Ontario. It is easier to get to Madison from Lucas than it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get to Madison, Mansfield Senior or Clear Fork from Lexington than it is to Ontario. Students from EVERY school in Richland country and some from outside of Richland County have Open Enrolled to Ontario, when there just as close or closer schools. SO many want to that MANY must be turned away. As I said, you can't know, because we do not know about parents, siblings who may work in the area. Is public transportation used? Is ababysitter used as a drop point? Do they live on the borderline of the district so kids can walk to end of street to be picked up? You don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 4:38:48 GMT -5
Open enrollment lets you sponge off of a better district WITHOUT moving in and paying their taxes. Some in Ontario believe that's a good thing. I believe its a travesty. Be careful mrsteel, I can't imagine the long post Willy has for you on this "hate filled" post and your misunderstanding of the open enrollment policy.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 27, 2016 14:03:48 GMT -5
Open enrollment lets you sponge off of a better district WITHOUT moving in and paying their taxes. Some in Ontario believe that's a good thing. I believe its a travesty. Don't forget, Open Enrollment students bring tax money with them. Many parents would prefer to live where their Open Enrollment children go to school. Their property taxes would be lower, their evaluations would be higher, but they can't get out from under their mortgage to move. Open Enrollment allows ALL kids the same educational opportunity. Some adult's lives haven't been as successful as ours. Some kids aren't as fortunate as ours. The kids aren't "sponging", show some compassion.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 27, 2016 14:09:46 GMT -5
Are you aware that all school districts that choose to participate in Open Enrollment(80% do) must choose to accept students from only adjacent districts OR all districts in Ohio. 482 choose all districts in Ohio, only 53 choose just adjacent districts. THUS "this area" could be the entire state, which is silly. However, someone in a Richland County district could chose to send their children to a school in Ashland, Knox, Morrow, Crawford or Huron counties, just the surrounding counties. Making more than a dozen choices. You ALSO forgot the private schools. At a private school you woukd be a tuition student not an open enrolled student. I see this area as local. But that is why I stated the difference. Yes, you pay tuition to attend a private school. However, if that private school is located within a different school district than the school district you want to send your children to, they must Open Enroll. Parents with students at St.Petes, Mansfield Christian or Temple Christian can only send their children to the Mansfield school district without Open Enrolling. You stated incorrectly if you knew the 2 options an Open Enrollment District must choose between and the percentages which are chosen of each option.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 27, 2016 14:26:51 GMT -5
It was a TERRIBLE hateful selection of a verb by you. You could be a bigger man and admit you were wrong for using it. A more accurate, nicer, more understanding word would have been "leave". You showed disdain for those that must use Open Enrollment to give their children a better educational opportunity. Not all are as lucky as you or me. Why not show some compassion? There was NO hate, discrimination or anger used in the statement. My own family has open enrollment in the actions and I support it 100%. But what you cannot addmit is that it begins with wanting to leave. "Leave" is reasonable, shows humility and sympathy in this regard. "Running" shows contempt, dislike and ridicules. I can't admit wanting to "leave" DOLTISH!! I suggested "leave" as much nicer alternative to YOUR "running". Be a man, admit that "running" was a very poor choice by you to describe the process of Open Enrollment. I find it repulsive.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 27, 2016 14:40:12 GMT -5
It is just as easy to get to Madison from Mansfield Senior as it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get from Shelby to Madison as it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get to Crestline from Galion as it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get to Mansfield Senior or Madison from St.Petes and Mansfield Christian as it is Ontario. It is EASIER to get to Plymouth from Shelby than it is to Ontario. It is easier to get to Madison from Lucas than it is to Ontario. It is just as easy to get to Madison, Mansfield Senior or Clear Fork from Lexington than it is to Ontario. Students from EVERY school in Richland country and some from outside of Richland County have Open Enrolled to Ontario, when there just as close or closer schools. SO many want to that MANY must be turned away. As I said, you can't know, because we do not know about parents, siblings who may work in the area. Is public transportation used? Is ababysitter used as a drop point? Do they live on the borderline of the district so kids can walk to end of street to be picked up? You don't know. AGAIN, what I am 100% sure of is that parents from EVERY school district in Richland County, including the private schools and some schools from surrounding Counties, have chosen to Open Enroll their child/children into the Ontario school district, when in many cases they live closer to other districts. What I am 100% sure of is that this year 40 families were turned away, there was no room for them. Do you know of another school district in this area(including adjacent counties) where that is the case?? Ontario isn't exactly centrally located in Richland Country. It is on the far western side of the country. All of the instances you put forward would also come into play regardless of where an alternative district is located. If you want something bad enough you will make sacrifices, I know many that do.
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Post by mrsteel on Oct 27, 2016 20:19:11 GMT -5
Open enrollment lets you sponge off of a better district WITHOUT moving in and paying their taxes. Some in Ontario believe that's a good thing. I believe its a travesty. Don't forget, Open Enrollment students bring tax money with them. Many parents would prefer to live where their Open Enrollment children go to school. Their property taxes would be lower, their evaluations would be higher, but they can't get out from under their mortgage to move. Open Enrollment allows ALL kids the same educational opportunity. Some adult's lives haven't been as successful as ours. Some kids aren't as fortunate as ours. The kids aren't "sponging", show some compassion. Its a ponzie scheme. It brings one half the cost of educating a student. It doesn't matter that they don't use busing or anything else. They only bring in half of the value of the student. The district tax payers make up the rest. You can not run a business like this forever it will catch up someday.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 27, 2016 20:50:28 GMT -5
Your point is partially valid ONLY if they hired additional teachers or built extra class rooms. Which they have not, as promised when Open Enrollment began. Along with the no additional buses you mentioned. No additional fuel for busess. No additional bus drivers. No additional teachers, no additional custodians, no additional classrooms, no additional desks. No additional electricity is required. No additional natural gas is used. School lunches are paid for, school supplies are paid for. NO additional costs and $2,000,000 additional monies/year is being collected.
IF not factual, how do you explain that when Open Enrollment began the district was over a Million in debt and 3 attempts to pass a new operating levy had failed. All possible cuts had been made. Four years later, no new levies have been needed, the district is no longer in dept and is solvent through 2021. EXPLAIN PLEASE! Anyone who has REALLY been taken advantage of in a "ponzi scheme" would give anything to be in this one.
All one has to do is walk around the school and see the smiling faces of young students, see the pride in the hearts of their parents. It brings a tear to the eye of the compassionate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 21:11:02 GMT -5
At a private school you woukd be a tuition student not an open enrolled student. I see this area as local. But that is why I stated the difference. Yes, you pay tuition to attend a private schools, However, if that private school is located within a different school district than the school district you want to send your children to, they must Open Enroll. Parents with students at St.Petes, Mansfield Christian or Temple Christian can only send their children to the Mansfield school district without Open Enrolling. You stated incorrectly if you knew the 2 options an Open Enrollment District must choose between and the percentages which are chosen of each option. Private schools are not involved with open enrollment. Private schools do not have districts. You can attend a private school and live anywhere. If you chose not to attend a private school your open enrollment options are based where you reside, not we're you used to attend school.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 21:14:50 GMT -5
There was NO hate, discrimination or anger used in the statement. My own family has open enrollment in the actions and I support it 100%. But what you cannot addmit is that it begins with wanting to leave. "Leave" is reasonable, shows humility and sympathy in this regard. "Running" shows contempt, dislike and ridicules. I can't admit wanting to "leave" DOLTISH!! I suggested "leave" as much nicer alternative to YOUR "running". Be a man, admit that "running" was a very poor choice by you to describe the process of Open Enrollment. I find it repulsive. Running or leaving both show the desire to not be where ever they are. You spin it how you want but both make the same point. Relax your need for an argument and accept that most do not care if you feel their choice of words are poor. As as said by another, "lighten up Francis!".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 21:19:23 GMT -5
As I said, you can't know, because we do not know about parents, siblings who may work in the area. Is public transportation used? Is ababysitter used as a drop point? Do they live on the borderline of the district so kids can walk to end of street to be picked up? You don't know. AGAIN, what I am 100% sure of is that parents from EVERY school district in Richland County, including the private schools and some schools from surrounding Counties, have chosen to Open Enroll their child/children into the Ontario school district, when in many cases they live closer to other districts. What I am 100% sure of is that this year 40 families were turned away, there was no room for them. Do you know of another school district in this area(including adjacent counties) where that is the case?? Ontario isn't exactly centrally located in Richland Country. It is on the far western side of the country. All of the instances you put forward would also come into play regardless of where an alternative district is located. If you want something bad enough you will make sacrifices, I know many that do. But what you do not know, are those parents travel habits, family members residence, babysitters residence or their place of work. All conveniences that could factor in to their choice. Most school who have open enrollment, have open enrollment students.
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