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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 23, 2016 17:38:25 GMT -5
Tiffin won last year 48-24.
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Post by unconcernedcitizen on Oct 23, 2016 21:05:50 GMT -5
Willard got things going last week and will continue this week against the tornadoes and get the win!
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Post by Buckeye2b on Oct 23, 2016 23:31:12 GMT -5
Wow! Who would have thought that the last game for these two in the NOL would be with 1-8 records? I'm glad the SBC and NOL are finally combining, but after growing up and playing in the league all those years, I'm a little saddened to see the last football game for the NOL here.
I, much as many of you, will carry great memories to the end of my life of playing in the NOL. I hope they all send the season out in slobberknockers, much as it was during my days on those fields.
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Post by ScarletFever on Oct 24, 2016 10:46:36 GMT -5
Completely amazing that Tiffin's 1-8. Incredible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 14:12:37 GMT -5
Completely amazing that Tiffin's 1-8. Incredible. So true. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 24, 2016 14:38:47 GMT -5
Has TC improved this year? Has Willard improved this year?
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Post by ScarletFever on Oct 24, 2016 15:12:15 GMT -5
Sports are a zero sum game (besides last night's awful NFL game) there's one winner & one loser. We use a scoreboard and have records.
Last year's Willard team went 1-9 (one NOL win) and got beat by Plymouth.
This year's Willard team is on pace to go 1-9 (no NOL wins) and got beat by Plymouth.
If we beat Tiffin, we've improved. If not we are the same as last year - that lead to the coach being fired.
This new coach should get 2-3 years to get his system in place. Next year's win loss goal should be 4-5 games considering the schedule. It's at that time we can truly judge the new regime, but not yet.
Can't comment on Tiffin.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 24, 2016 15:25:11 GMT -5
AH, but according to some experts on here, one can't judge improvement by record or eye test. Proof of "improvement" from year to year is more about who you played and the scores of the games. If an opponent improves, regardless of any circumstances, you must also improve at least as much. Pick your poison.
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Post by ScarletFever on Oct 24, 2016 15:50:26 GMT -5
AH, but according to some experts on here, one can't judge improvement by record or eye test. Proof of "improvement" from year to year is more about who you played and the scores of the games. If an opponent improves, regardless of any circumstances, you must also improve at least as much. Pick your poison. My poison is the final record. Others are free to pick their own. |
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Post by TornadoWarning on Oct 24, 2016 18:08:46 GMT -5
Completely amazing that Tiffin's 1-8. Incredible. So true. tchldad and I have been calling this for years, and it won't get THAT much better next season. After that, things *should* start trending upwards again. Having said that, the new SBC league that TC will be playing in will not be easy to win, especially having the type of run of league championships that TC had. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 20:51:45 GMT -5
Well said SF, I agree records can be the final measure, but some look at other factors when considering that record. An example could be losing to a 9-1 by 60 points one year but losing by 3 to that same school that goes 9-1 the following season can be improvement. Just a thought.
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Post by ScarletFever on Oct 24, 2016 20:56:42 GMT -5
Well said SF, I agree records can be the final measure, but some look at other factors when considering that record. An example could be losing to a 9-1 by 60 points one year but losing by 3 to that same school that goes 9-1 the following season can be improvement. Just a thought. Yes but teams get better every year, teams get worse every year. Same for the 10 teams on Willard's schedule this year. At the end of the day 1-9 is 1-9, if you start to spin from there you're trying to will the results into what you wish them to be instead of accepting 'we are 1-9'. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 22:16:36 GMT -5
I agree 1-9 is 1-9, but I see the key word being "improving". Maybe I look at some teams as closing the gap between them and there opponent. Even though the records may be the same result. Specially with programs that can be struggling to correct itself from long downward slides.
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Post by ScarletFever on Oct 25, 2016 8:32:59 GMT -5
I agree 1-9 is 1-9, but I see the key word being "improving". Maybe I look at some teams as closing the gap between them and there opponent. Even though the records may be the same result. Specially with programs that can be struggling to correct itself from long downward slides. This is the week last year where Willard won a thrilling game in Norwalk with a last second two point conversion. If you were to have flip-flopped the past two seasons I believe you would be saying the same thing about "they are improving they are fighting & won an exciting game on the road near the end of the season they haven't given up" If they beat Tiffin, they've improved. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 9:44:19 GMT -5
I completely see your point about using records only. But I can see a team making progress without going from 1-9 to 2-8 by looking at the games played and the competition.
Answer this. As a jv basketball player you have 10 turnovers during your season. The following year on the varsity team you have 10 turnovers. Having the same amount does not show improvement or progress but isn't progress shown knowing it was against better competition?
This may be a weak example but I hope you can get my point.
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Post by footballfan on Oct 25, 2016 13:38:35 GMT -5
So if Willard wins is it a two way tie for last?
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 25, 2016 13:43:42 GMT -5
So if Willard wins is it a two way tie for last? Both teams are winless in league play. Whoever loses gets last place by themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 12:23:10 GMT -5
Big changes coming next season. Willard will like the change but Tiffin may be in an even tougher spot.
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Post by tommygunn on Oct 27, 2016 7:31:13 GMT -5
Even with the move that Willard will have, I still think they will struggle to go .500
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 12:20:37 GMT -5
Even with the move that Willard will have, I still think they will struggle to go .500 I cannot imagine how miserable it would be to walk a mile in your shoes. Being so negative all the time must be exhausting.   |
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Post by tommygunn on Oct 27, 2016 12:52:56 GMT -5
So saying Willard will struggle to go .500 next year is negative? Just looking at the past and the present and near future. Maybe I will be wrong, but odds are I will be right.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 27, 2016 14:52:33 GMT -5
Even with the move that Willard will have, I still think they will struggle to go .500 I cannot imagine how miserable it would be to walk a mile in your shoes. Being so negative all the time must be exhausting. If Willard doesn't win the River Division by year 2, year 3 for sure. You won't want any of Mr. Gunn's wardrobe. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 21:56:07 GMT -5
So saying Willard will struggle to go .500 next year is negative? Just looking at the past and the present and near future. Maybe I will be wrong, but odds are I will be right. You may be best off to cherish the past but leave it where it is because it never coming back. You can celebrate the present and plan for the future but the past is over. |
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Post by tommygunn on Oct 28, 2016 6:10:44 GMT -5
Sounds great in theory but that is not reality. Willard has a lot to prove with this new move. Can they beat as Scarlet would say, tomato can teams? Can they get more numbers out? Can they actually compete? We won't know until next year but right now, it just doesn't look promising.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 6:42:51 GMT -5
Sounds great in theory but that is not reality. Willard has a lot to prove with this new move. Can they beat as Scarlet would say, tomato can teams? Can they get more numbers out? Can they actually compete? We won't know until next year but right now, it just doesn't look promising. Dude, it's great to want to be good, but does anyone outside of Willard see them as a football school? They won a handful of NOL titles of the 200 years of the league. They have made the playoffs only 4-5 times. How many winning coaches have they had since say 1950? Support the kids. Support the program. Enjoy the sport. If you want to relive the past, I have a question. What is Willard's over all record in Football? Not looking for 1920 stats I mean in our lifetime plus or minus a few. last 60 or 70 years. |
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Post by dolittle on Oct 28, 2016 7:58:43 GMT -5
At Tiffin so TC wins.
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Post by tori on Oct 28, 2016 14:26:56 GMT -5
When is the last time Willard beat tiffin? I think they did in 1995 3-0.
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Post by ronburgandy on Oct 28, 2016 18:19:52 GMT -5
Back around 2004 or 2005 when Oney played, Willard won 3-0.
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Post by ScarletFever on Oct 28, 2016 19:35:01 GMT -5
I completely see your point about using records only. But I can see a team making progress without going from 1-9 to 2-8 by looking at the games played and the competition. Answer this. As a jv basketball player you have 10 turnovers during your season. The following year on the varsity team you have 10 turnovers. Having the same amount does not show improvement or progress but isn't progress shown knowing it was against better competition? This may be a weak example but I hope you can get my point. Too much thinking. Simplest answer usually the best. |
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Post by ScarletFever on Oct 29, 2016 0:50:20 GMT -5
(2-8) Tiffin wins 40-14
Scooter busy preparing several paragraphs in effort to continue backing up his point.
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