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Post by Birdman on Nov 18, 2023 11:31:50 GMT -5
2 of TC’s non-con opponents are in the final four. That’s how you schedule people.
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Post by todd on Nov 18, 2023 13:36:03 GMT -5
TC is playing the Div 3 recruited State champs of this 2023 season .. SAD So wish Central Catholics playoffs were in Michigan were they should be playing because that’s the only place someone wants them!! Good run Tiffin!! it’s a shame no one has the guts to separate private from public in Ohio. School admin to OHSAA. .. no guts at all. Georgia I believe is the latest to separate. And their football is better than ours.
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Post by tchldad on Nov 18, 2023 13:43:43 GMT -5
TC is playing the Div 3 recruited State champs of this 2023 season .. SAD So wish Central Catholics playoffs were in Michigan were they should be playing because that’s the only place someone wants them!! Good run Tiffin!! it’s a shame no one has the guts to separate private from public in Ohio. School admin to OHSAA. .. no guts at all. Georgia I believe is the latest to separate. And their football is better than ours. The OHSAA is only worried about making money. They really could care less about any of these student athletes. And it’s really sad that TCC dropped to D3.
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Post by Hummingbird on Nov 18, 2023 13:56:35 GMT -5
No doubt they should be D2 or even D1. However, they are not. It is what it is.
Are the teams on the same playing field? No. However I would argue that many schools are not on the same playing field anymore.
Been messed up for a long time
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Post by fanofthefall on Nov 19, 2023 11:34:43 GMT -5
I would lke to congratulate Tiffin on a great season. I wish they would've played TCC tougher, but it is what it is. This team was by far the most critiqued and scrutinized team in the SBC all season long. At the end of the day, these are just 16 to 18 year old kids playing the game they love for the community they grew up in. Even the big win over Chardon was portrayed by some as a win over a down Hilltopper team. Look where they are at again, in the final four. Comments like "loaded senior class" was mentioned in multople threads in a mocking tone. It was mentioned in the shutout win over Buckeye that "even Buckeye made Tiffin's defense look good". Shutting out a team in the 3rd round of the playoffs is a great feat. Yes, Tiffin's D was not where it needed to be, but it doesn't mean they didn't try. Also, indicidual players were criticized to a greater extent, namely the QB. I'm not sure why either becaue Perkins QB won more awards over the past two seasons and was viewed as a better QB. Is he supposed to turn a D1 offer down? I'm not connected to any of the players, but these are my observations over the season. I'm sure there will be some that disagree with some of my thougths and that is fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions.
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Post by tigerfan75 on Nov 19, 2023 11:36:11 GMT -5
No surprise with Kirtland and Marion Local. Kirtland vs Garaway @ Louisville should be an absolute war. Wow thanks for more great insight!
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Post by sbclives on Nov 19, 2023 16:29:42 GMT -5
Kirtland vs Garaway @ Louisville should be an absolute war. Wow thanks for more great insight! I missed yours. What was your analysis?
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Post by Tiger on Nov 19, 2023 20:09:26 GMT -5
2 of TC’s non-con opponents are in the final four. That’s how you schedule people. Did you mean ? That's how you schedule, Perkins.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Nov 19, 2023 21:22:28 GMT -5
it’s a shame no one has the guts to separate private from public in Ohio. School admin to OHSAA. .. no guts at all. Georgia I believe is the latest to separate. And their football is better than ours. The OHSAA is only worried about making money. They really could care less about any of these student athletes. And it’s really sad that TCC dropped to D3. Only way it changes is if the legislature pressures them into it or just flat out does it for them.
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Post by Birdman on Nov 20, 2023 7:11:41 GMT -5
2 of TC’s non-con opponents are in the final four. That’s how you schedule people. Did you mean ? That's how you schedule, Perkins. Why not!!
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Post by tiger2 on Nov 20, 2023 20:43:01 GMT -5
2 of TC’s non-con opponents are in the final four. That’s how you schedule people. Who would that be ?
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Post by tonyperkis on Nov 20, 2023 20:45:05 GMT -5
2 of TC’s non-con opponents are in the final four. That’s how you schedule people. Who would that be ? Chardon and Watterson
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Post by tiger2 on Nov 21, 2023 1:18:32 GMT -5
I guess I don’t get what you mean by non con ??
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Post by styxbb on Nov 21, 2023 8:11:26 GMT -5
it’s a shame no one has the guts to separate private from public in Ohio. School admin to OHSAA. .. no guts at all. Georgia I believe is the latest to separate. And their football is better than ours. The OHSAA is only worried about making money. They really could care less about any of these student athletes. And it’s really sad that TCC dropped to D3. Where would they go? D1 - Private Cleveland All-Stars D2 -Akron All Stars D3 -Toledo All Stars D4 -Cleveland public all-stars D5-7 Typically a MAC school.
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Post by tchldad on Nov 21, 2023 11:11:27 GMT -5
The OHSAA is only worried about making money. They really could care less about any of these student athletes. And it’s really sad that TCC dropped to D3. Where would they go? D1 - Private Cleveland All-Stars D2 -Akron All Stars D3 -Toledo All Stars D4 -Cleveland public all-stars D5-7 Typically a MAC school. they would/should create a private division and a public division. Separate the recruiters from the homegrown schools.
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Post by daddy on Nov 21, 2023 11:24:26 GMT -5
Where would they go? D1 - Private Cleveland All-Stars D2 -Akron All Stars D3 -Toledo All Stars D4 -Cleveland public all-stars D5-7 Typically a MAC school. they would/should create a private division and a public division. Separate the recruiters from the homegrown schools. Everyone recruits even publics. Avon certainly does, Perkins has their fair share of stud transfers, tiffin once benefitted from a solid wrestling transfer, so no need to separate. Schools gotta work like colleges do to recruit their own good athletes to stick around so they don't get poached by local schools. I know Rossford was getting complaints all the time recently about boys basketball transfers, etc. Whether is coaches contacting players through travel sports, or athletes at other schools recruiting them or a little of both, it goes on public and private. It's the trickle down of the transfer portal.
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Post by fanofthefall on Nov 21, 2023 11:40:45 GMT -5
they would/should create a private division and a public division. Separate the recruiters from the homegrown schools. Everyone recruits even publics. Avon certainly does, Perkins has their fair share of stud transfers, tiffin once benefitted from a solid wrestling transfer, so no need to separate. Schools gotta work like colleges do to recruit their own good athletes to stick around so they don't get poached by local schools. I know Rossford was getting complaints all the time recently about boys basketball transfers, etc. Whether is coaches contacting players through travel sports, or athletes at other schools recruiting them or a little of both, it goes on public and private. It's the trickle down of the transfer portal. Are you saying that getting a kid here or there from a local school in areas like the SBC is that same as what Toledo Central Cathlic (or teams of the like) is doing every year? Far from it! There have been many complaints this season that Perkins has picked area talent to be the team they are. Their CB number is 35 compared to TCC's at 144. Totally different perspective when you can choose from a large city and its suburbs. Side note, Perkins would have been league champs and one of the top teams in D4 without the open enrolled students as well. They have a great core of players right now.
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Post by daddy on Nov 21, 2023 12:00:28 GMT -5
Everyone recruits even publics. Avon certainly does, Perkins has their fair share of stud transfers, tiffin once benefitted from a solid wrestling transfer, so no need to separate. Schools gotta work like colleges do to recruit their own good athletes to stick around so they don't get poached by local schools. I know Rossford was getting complaints all the time recently about boys basketball transfers, etc. Whether is coaches contacting players through travel sports, or athletes at other schools recruiting them or a little of both, it goes on public and private. It's the trickle down of the transfer portal. Are you saying that getting a kid here or there from a local school in areas like the SBC is that same as what Toledo Central Cathlic (or teams of the like) is doing every year? Far from it! There have been many complaints this season that Perkins has picked area talent to be the team they are. Their CB number is 35 compared to TCC's at 144. Totally different perspective when you can choose from a large city and its suburbs. Side note, Perkins would have been league champs and one of the top teams in D4 without the open enrolled students as well. They have a great core of players right now. Well TCC will have a high CB because the way they count feeder schools etc doesn't give them as many kids to pull from. Now if schools pull from their surrounding area schools for kids, how is it any different than TCC in principle? Your argument is that it's the amount of kids they can choose from or even the type of kid. Well we have schools in the SBC footprint who have gotten kids from TCC before. Should TCC supporters cry the blues on sports forums about losing kids to publics? At the end of the day, this trend will continue and get worse, IMO, especially with the prevalence of travel sports that make it easy to contact kids. It happens in all sports. So to say we need to separate public and private to me is moot. They all recruit talent in some way. And honestly, I understand the idea of separating, a lot of states do it. I just don't think separating because of recruiting kids is the best reason because publics do it too. So I'm not against it, I just don't think it solves the problem.
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Post by Hummingbird on Nov 21, 2023 12:38:00 GMT -5
Everyone recruits even publics. Avon certainly does, Perkins has their fair share of stud transfers, tiffin once benefitted from a solid wrestling transfer, so no need to separate. Schools gotta work like colleges do to recruit their own good athletes to stick around so they don't get poached by local schools. I know Rossford was getting complaints all the time recently about boys basketball transfers, etc. Whether is coaches contacting players through travel sports, or athletes at other schools recruiting them or a little of both, it goes on public and private. It's the trickle down of the transfer portal. Side note, Perkins would have been league champs and one of the top teams in D4 without the open enrolled students as well. They have a great core of players right now. Say what? -Two Margaretta kids -St Mary kid -Huron kid -Two kids who were in Norwalk (prob their best returning players) -Another transfer for wrestling who played football -Midseason transfer Don't act as though it doesn't happen. Most of them were HUGE impact players.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 17:21:05 GMT -5
Everyone recruits even publics. Avon certainly does, Perkins has their fair share of stud transfers, tiffin once benefitted from a solid wrestling transfer, so no need to separate. Schools gotta work like colleges do to recruit their own good athletes to stick around so they don't get poached by local schools. I know Rossford was getting complaints all the time recently about boys basketball transfers, etc. Whether is coaches contacting players through travel sports, or athletes at other schools recruiting them or a little of both, it goes on public and private. It's the trickle down of the transfer portal. Are you saying that getting a kid here or there from a local school in areas like the SBC is that same as what Toledo Central Cathlic (or teams of the like) is doing every year? Far from it! There have been many complaints this season that Perkins has picked area talent to be the team they are. Their CB number is 35 compared to TCC's at 144. Totally different perspective when you can choose from a large city and its suburbs. Side note, Perkins would have been league champs and one of the top teams in D4 without the open enrolled students as well. They have a great core of players right now. Your insane, take away collier, young, and sanchez, not league champs
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Post by fanofthefall on Nov 22, 2023 8:17:24 GMT -5
Are you saying that getting a kid here or there from a local school in areas like the SBC is that same as what Toledo Central Cathlic (or teams of the like) is doing every year? Far from it! There have been many complaints this season that Perkins has picked area talent to be the team they are. Their CB number is 35 compared to TCC's at 144. Totally different perspective when you can choose from a large city and its suburbs. Side note, Perkins would have been league champs and one of the top teams in D4 without the open enrolled students as well. They have a great core of players right now. Your insane, take away collier, young, and sanchez, not league champs I guess so. Let's take a closer look. Perkins D: 2 unaminous 1st team all leage DBs and a 2nd team all leage DB (none of which was Collier); 1 1st team LB and a 2nd team LB (not inlcuding Young) ; and no transfers on the DLine which included 1 1st team and 2 2nd team. Perkins O: Most outstanding performer and 1st team QB, 1st team RB, still had a unaminous 1st team WR and 1st team End (not including Collier) ; 2 1st team O line (1 unaminous and not inlcuding Sanchez). I don't count the Zielger boys as transfers as they have lived in Perkins their entire HS career, plus the one was injured the whole season. I will retract and say that they would not be a top 2 or 3 team in the state without the transfers, but I still believe they win the league. Unless those feel that yhe league voting is a little biased. I for one feel that Gooding (#3) from TC got screwed royally. No one can tell me he is not at least a 2nd team receiver and DB. Almost had 1000 yds receivng and had over 10 TD catches. Plus he did run step for step with the Perkins WRs and had a pick on a deep ball.
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Post by Hummingbird on Nov 22, 2023 9:54:23 GMT -5
Your insane, take away collier, young, and sanchez, not league champs I guess so. Let's take a closer look. Perkins D: 2 unaminous 1st team all leage DBs and a 2nd team all leage DB (none of which was Collier); 1 1st team LB and a 2nd team LB (not inlcuding Young) ; and no transfers on the DLine which included 1 1st team and 2 2nd team. Perkins O: Most outstanding performer and 1st team QB, 1st team RB, still had a unaminous 1st team WR and 1st team End (not including Collier) ; 2 1st team O line (1 unaminous and not inlcuding Sanchez). I don't count the Zielger boys as transfers as they have lived in Perkins their entire HS career, plus the one was injured the whole season. I will retract and say that they would not be a top 2 or 3 team in the state without the transfers, but I still believe they win the league. Unless those feel that yhe league voting is a little biased. I for one feel that Gooding (#3) from TC got screwed royally. No one can tell me he is not at least a 2nd team receiver and DB. Almost had 1000 yds receivng and had over 10 TD catches. Plus he did run step for step with the Perkins WRs and had a pick on a deep ball. I agree on this for sure. Very fairtake. Perkins still goes 10-0 in the regular season (9-0)
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Post by marchmadness on Nov 22, 2023 9:55:28 GMT -5
You don't count the Ziegler kids as transfers, yet they transferred in. Interesting logic. The Sanchez kid is a transfer? What school did he go to and when did he transfer in?
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Post by daddy on Nov 22, 2023 14:00:58 GMT -5
You don't count the Ziegler kids as transfers, yet they transferred in. Interesting logic. The Sanchez kid is a transfer? What school did he go to and when did he transfer in? Margaretta has been the school mentioned.
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