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Post by Big Lex Fan on Jul 17, 2024 14:11:02 GMT -5
From what I have heard Fogle does have a 3 point shot. He has shown it more in the AAU ranks though. Football is definitely an option for him. But basketball I've heard his 1st love. I will be interested in seeing the chemistry between Fogle and Caudill this on the football field. Fogle has already shown he can definitely out-athelete any double teams he may see. Caudill will have to get him the balk. Not to mention the offensive line will have to pass block.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jul 18, 2024 9:38:23 GMT -5
This talk with Lex is prompting me to dig up the best Shelby/Lexington matchups in the JoeEitel era. It isn't often that both teams are both high-flying in football at the same time. Based on what I dug up, it happens once every 7-10 years...including this year if Shelby can stave off graduation woes and Lex can break out this season.
2000: Shelby (7-3) @ Lex (7-3), Lex wins 34-13 (Shelby wins a co-NOL that year, no playoffs for either team)
2007: Lex (8-3) @ Shelby (9-3), Shelby wins 21-14 (Courtney Avery's *EDIT sophomore year. No league titles for either team. Shelby's hype train was very high after back-to-back 2nd place NOL finishes to Tiffin in 05/06. They stomp 12-2 Ashland 42-14 in Week 3, but they dropped Week 4 to Tiffin and eventually a co-NOL share by losing to 4-6 Bellevue at home. Lex similarly falters by losing their league hopes during Week 10 against Ashland)
2016: Shelby (11-2) @ Lex (9-4), Shelby wins 17-14 (Armstrong's junior year, Stover's sophomore year. Both teams lose to state powers in the Regional Finals in relatively respectful fashion, Lex to TCC 19-0 and Shelby to Steubenville 29-15)
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Post by dude on Jul 18, 2024 10:23:05 GMT -5
2007: Lex (8-3) @ Shelby (9-3), Shelby wins 21-14 (Courtney Avery's junior year. No league titles for either team. Shelby's hype train was very high after back-to-back 2nd place NOL finishes to Tiffin in 05/06. They stomp 12-2 Ashland 42-14 in Week 3, but they dropped Week 4 to Tiffin and eventually a co-NOL share by losing to 4-6 Bellevue at home. Lex similarly falters by losing their league hopes during Week 10 against Ashland) The 2007 football season was Courtney Avery's soph year. His junior year, Lexington went 11-1, won the OCC and beat a 6-4 Shelby team 42-14.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Jul 18, 2024 14:49:09 GMT -5
The 2008 Lex team that went 11-1 was the best team in Lexington football history IMHO. They lost a competitive game to State Champion Sylvania Southview 38-24. I would argue they were a top 3 team in Div. II that year. Behind Cincinnati Anderson and Southview. Some older Lex alumni might point to the 1969 Minutemen who went 9-1.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Jul 18, 2024 17:33:11 GMT -5
This talk with Lex is prompting me to dig up the best Shelby/Lexington matchups in the JoeEitel era. It isn't often that both teams are both high-flying in football at the same time. Based on what I dug up, it happens once every 7-10 years...including this year if Shelby can stave off graduation woes and Lex can break out this season. 2000: Shelby (7-3) @ Lex (7-3), Lex wins 34-13 (Shelby wins a co-NOL that year, no playoffs for either team) 2007: Lex (8-3) @ Shelby (9-3), Shelby wins 21-14 (Courtney Avery's *EDIT sophomore year. No league titles for either team. Shelby's hype train was very high after back-to-back 2nd place NOL finishes to Tiffin in 05/06. They stomp 12-2 Ashland 42-14 in Week 3, but they dropped Week 4 to Tiffin and eventually a co-NOL share by losing to 4-6 Bellevue at home. Lex similarly falters by losing their league hopes during Week 10 against Ashland) 2016: Shelby (11-2) @ Lex (9-4), Shelby wins 17-14 (Armstrong's junior year, Stover's sophomore year. Both teams lose to state powers in the Regional Finals in relatively respectful fashion, Lex to TCC 19-0 and Shelby to Steubenville 29-15) I was on the sidelines for Bellevue at Shelby upset Also, Buckeyefan73, Truckerseab, and I went to Norwalk at Lex game that turned out into somewhat defensive slugfest
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jul 18, 2024 17:37:45 GMT -5
The 2008 Shelby team saw some good talent. 11-1 Lex's Avery (blowout), 9-3 Tiffin's Kagy (went to Toledo, and a shocking Shelby win that game to break an 8-year losing streak), and 8-3 Fostoria's Micah Hyde (blowout Part 2). The Fostoria game has one of my favorite sports moments ever.
Shelby threw a pass high and over the middle...to which Hyde harpooned the Shelby guy attempting the catch. It was the single most incredible hit I've seen on a HS level. I'm stunned there wasn't a serious injury for the Shelby guy. The reason this is my favorite moment is the WMFD broadcast. I caught a replay of the game. Back then, WMFD gave out their Jones Potato Chips Hit of the Game during their postgame wrap-up, where the best tackle of the night awarded the player an assorted box of Jones potato chips. This play happened early on, probably 1st or 2nd quarter. The broadcast feed went silent for a few seconds immediately after, followed by a pretty resigned tone: "...welp, congrats Micah Hyde, you won the Jones Potato Chips Hit of the Game." It was perfect comedic timing.
Just to round out that season, Shelby also had blowout Part 3 at the hands of Bellevue. 60-14. At the time, it was the biggest thumping in that rivalry before Shelby tied it in 2017 by winning 46-0.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jul 18, 2024 17:48:11 GMT -5
This talk with Lex is prompting me to dig up the best Shelby/Lexington matchups in the JoeEitel era. It isn't often that both teams are both high-flying in football at the same time. Based on what I dug up, it happens once every 7-10 years...including this year if Shelby can stave off graduation woes and Lex can break out this season. 2000: Shelby (7-3) @ Lex (7-3), Lex wins 34-13 (Shelby wins a co-NOL that year, no playoffs for either team) 2007: Lex (8-3) @ Shelby (9-3), Shelby wins 21-14 (Courtney Avery's *EDIT sophomore year. No league titles for either team. Shelby's hype train was very high after back-to-back 2nd place NOL finishes to Tiffin in 05/06. They stomp 12-2 Ashland 42-14 in Week 3, but they dropped Week 4 to Tiffin and eventually a co-NOL share by losing to 4-6 Bellevue at home. Lex similarly falters by losing their league hopes during Week 10 against Ashland) 2016: Shelby (11-2) @ Lex (9-4), Shelby wins 17-14 (Armstrong's junior year, Stover's sophomore year. Both teams lose to state powers in the Regional Finals in relatively respectful fashion, Lex to TCC 19-0 and Shelby to Steubenville 29-15) I was on the sidelines for Bellevue at Shelby upset Also, Buckeyefan73, Truckerseab, and I went to Norwalk at Lex game that turned out into somewhat defensive slugfest That 2016 Norwalk Lex game threw me off. We had a feeling Shelby was going to light everyone up that year. Beating Lex in a nail-biter was OK, but then seeing them lose to Norwalk? Made me question things. Lex found their footing though in a pretty good way after that. My brother's senior year was during that 2007 season. He was friends with a lot of the linemen, so I got to see some animated venting about the Bellevue game periodically for the rest of that school year. That was the year of the infamous flood, so it felt like Shelby was the team of destiny after going 3-0 against some stiff competition. Honestly, that 2007 team had some of the weirdest score results in retrospect. They went 4-0 against playoff teams not named Big Walnut (who won state that year) with an average margin of victory of 18.5 points They went 5-2 against non-playoff teams, with an average margin of victory of 5.4 points Even if you include the 35-8 loss to Big Walnut, Shelby still had an average margin of victory that was 9ish ppg against playoff teams, much better than the non-playoff teams. Beat 12-2 Ashland, 42-14 Beat 9-2 Bellefontaine in playoffs, on the road, 35-7 Beat 5-5 Norwalk, 14-6 Beat 2-8 Willard, 31-28 OT Lose 4-6 Bellevue, 28-34 Beat 4-6 Upper, 37-34
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Jul 18, 2024 19:58:30 GMT -5
I believe Norwalk finished 6-4. Wasn't final score 28-15? Tied at 15 at half with Brandon Haraway as QB in place of injured Trenton Morrow
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Post by dude on Jul 19, 2024 5:00:45 GMT -5
The 2008 Lex team that went 11-1 was the best team in Lexington football history IMHO. They lost a competitive game to State Champion Sylvania Southview 38-24. I would argue they were a top 3 team in Div. II that year. Behind Cincinnati Anderson and Southview. Some older Lex alumni might point to the 1969 Minutemen who went 9-1. That Lex team had a lot of athletes and could put the ball in a bunch of places to hurt their opponent.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jul 19, 2024 7:47:11 GMT -5
I believe Norwalk finished 6-4. Wasn't final score 28-15? Tied at 15 at half with Brandon Haraway as QB in place of injured Trenton Morrow That sounds right. It was an above-average Norwalk team that had the misfortune of dealing with a strong schedule, but they kept games close (and of course managed to beat a Regional Finalist in Lex). As a fan, it was frustrating to watch because our offense was showing a ton of potential, but couldn't quite figure it out during that game. When you consider that Shelby rolled over Bloom-Carroll and Philo in the playoffs, it was clear looking back that Norwalk was one of the better teams we played that year.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jul 19, 2024 7:50:55 GMT -5
The 2008 Lex team that went 11-1 was the best team in Lexington football history IMHO. They lost a competitive game to State Champion Sylvania Southview 38-24. I would argue they were a top 3 team in Div. II that year. Behind Cincinnati Anderson and Southview. Some older Lex alumni might point to the 1969 Minutemen who went 9-1. It's whacky looking back at that region. Toledo Central Catholic, two Olentangy's...yet Lexington and Sylvania Southview were the top dogs. Even knowing that Lexington could have been the ones to beat on Archbishop Hoban in the Final 4 had they advanced far enough. How quickly times change.
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Post by dude on Jul 19, 2024 8:05:34 GMT -5
The 2008 Lex team that went 11-1 was the best team in Lexington football history IMHO. They lost a competitive game to State Champion Sylvania Southview 38-24. I would argue they were a top 3 team in Div. II that year. Behind Cincinnati Anderson and Southview. Some older Lex alumni might point to the 1969 Minutemen who went 9-1. It's whacky looking back at that region. Toledo Central Catholic, two Olentangy's...yet Lexington and Sylvania Southview were the top dogs. Even knowing that Lexington could have been the ones to beat on Archbishop Hoban in the Final 4 had they advanced far enough. How quickly times change. Sometimes it can happen in one year. 2017 Shelby was 13-1 while the following year in 2018 they were 5-5. That was back when the Olentangy schools where still growing and splitting so they were not set up like they are now.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jul 19, 2024 10:47:27 GMT -5
I was saying in general, not so much the record Lex had. Back then, Lexington was a division bigger than Olentangy Orange. Shelby was in the same division as Big Walnut. We could be saying the same anecdotes about Jonathan Alder and Johnstown-Monroe someday.
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Post by dude on Jul 26, 2024 6:40:38 GMT -5
As of today, Calpreps has the OCC teams finishing like this in regular season.
Mansfield 9-1 W Holmes 8-2 Ashland 6-4 N Phil 5-5 Lex 4-6 Woo 4-6 Madison 0-10
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Post by unc4life on Jul 26, 2024 9:48:56 GMT -5
As of today, Calpreps has the OCC teams finishing like this in regular season. Mansfield 9-1 W Holmes 8-2 Ashland 6-4 N Phil 5-5 Lex 4-6 Woo 4-6 Madison 0-10 Seems like a reasonable starting point. Its a little different this year with the OCC teams having to pick up a 4th non conference game. Mansfield going 9-1 with their schedule would be pretty impressive. Also New Philly at 5-5 seems a little low, but they might have the toughest non conference schedule outside or Mansfield. I also don't think the wheels are going to fall off for West Holmes, but the new coach is going to have to show me something before I put them at 8-2.
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Post by dude on Jul 26, 2024 10:12:21 GMT -5
Seems like a reasonable starting point. Its a little different this year with the OCC teams having to pick up a 4th non conference game. Mansfield going 9-1 with their schedule would be pretty impressive. Also New Philly at 5-5 seems a little low, but they might have the toughest non conference schedule outside or Mansfield. I also don't think the wheels are going to fall off for West Holmes, but the new coach is going to have to show me something before I put them at 8-2. Cannot say that I disagree with most of that. The new guy at WH will be a wait and see thing. I assume by week 3 calpreps will have a little more info to go on but right now it's all based on last season I'm guessing. The Mansfield schedule is brutal and they have to replace a lot. With all the D1 college offers in place for Ashland and Lexington, I would expect 6-4 and 4-6 would not be great seasons.
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Post by dude on Jul 27, 2024 13:38:46 GMT -5
Lex’s Fogle gets offer from Georgia
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Post by unc4life on Jul 29, 2024 8:34:49 GMT -5
Seems like a reasonable starting point. Its a little different this year with the OCC teams having to pick up a 4th non conference game. Mansfield going 9-1 with their schedule would be pretty impressive. Also New Philly at 5-5 seems a little low, but they might have the toughest non conference schedule outside or Mansfield. I also don't think the wheels are going to fall off for West Holmes, but the new coach is going to have to show me something before I put them at 8-2. Cannot say that I disagree with most of that. The new guy at WH will be a wait and see thing. I assume by week 3 calpreps will have a little more info to go on but right now it's all based on last season I'm guessing. The Mansfield schedule is brutal and they have to replace a lot. With all the D1 college offers in place for Ashland and Lexington, I would expect 6-4 and 4-6 would not be great seasons. I agree with Ashland and Lexington...and I think its more than just the D1 offers. They were both very young last year, now they have experience and talent, 6-4 and 4-6 would be disappointments for both teams unless there were some major injuries or something.
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Post by dude on Jul 29, 2024 10:13:07 GMT -5
Cannot say that I disagree with most of that. The new guy at WH will be a wait and see thing. I assume by week 3 calpreps will have a little more info to go on but right now it's all based on last season I'm guessing. The Mansfield schedule is brutal and they have to replace a lot. With all the D1 college offers in place for Ashland and Lexington, I would expect 6-4 and 4-6 would not be great seasons. I agree with Ashland and Lexington...and I think its more than just the D1 offers. They were both very young last year, now they have experience and talent, 6-4 and 4-6 would be disappointments for both teams unless there were some major injuries or something. Many use the freshman and soph season's as an excuse if expectations are not met. We very rarely see that same excuse for a junior and definitely not for a senior. They next 2 seasons wish show who is legit and if there was any inflated promotions.
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Post by unc4life on Jul 29, 2024 11:55:12 GMT -5
I agree with Ashland and Lexington...and I think its more than just the D1 offers. They were both very young last year, now they have experience and talent, 6-4 and 4-6 would be disappointments for both teams unless there were some major injuries or something. Many use the freshman and soph season's as an excuse if expectations are not met. We very rarely see that same excuse for a junior and definitely not for a senior. They next 2 seasons wish show who is legit and if there was any inflated promotions. Are you referring to someone in particular with this or just in general?
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Post by dude on Jul 29, 2024 20:13:36 GMT -5
Many use the freshman and soph season's as an excuse if expectations are not met. We very rarely see that same excuse for a junior and definitely not for a senior. They next 2 seasons wish show who is legit and if there was any inflated promotions. Are you referring to someone in particular with this or just in general? In general
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jul 30, 2024 5:22:46 GMT -5
By default I'm not an expert because the only time I've seen Ashland/Lex's hyped up football talent was on the basketball court. That said, I am expecting more out of Lexington this year. The variety of depth is what gives them fewer excuses. Fogle, Caudill, and Allen are multiple points of weaknesses for a defense to deal with vs. one big time QB over in Ashland.
Shelby's super class of 2017 was super in part because Armstrong had some outstanding guys around him. That Shelby group had this for their four-year careers:
2-8 (3 games decided by a point) 5-5 11-2 13-1
Looking at Lex so far with the class of Fogle/Caudill/Allen...
3-7 (2 games decided by 4 points or less) 5-6
The key this year will have to be Lex vs the four teams on their schedule from last year that had 10 wins. Go at least 2-2 against Ontario, Shelby, Mansfield, and West Holmes if you want to mean business.
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Post by dude on Jul 30, 2024 13:07:32 GMT -5
By default I'm not an expert because the only time I've seen Ashland/Lex's hyped up football talent was on the basketball court. That said, I am expecting more out of Lexington this year. The variety of depth is what gives them fewer excuses. Fogle, Caudill, and Allen are multiple points of weaknesses for a defense to deal with vs. one big time QB over in Ashland. Shelby's super class of 2017 was super in part because Armstrong had some outstanding guys around him. That Shelby group had this for their four-year careers: 2-8 (3 games decided by a point) 5-5 11-2 13-1 Looking at Lex so far with the class of Fogle/Caudill/Allen... 3-7 (2 games decided by 4 points or less) 5-6 The key this year will have to be Lex vs the four teams on their schedule from last year that had 10 wins. Go at least 2-2 against Ontario, Shelby, Mansfield, and West Holmes if you want to mean business. Not many experts on this site so we are all in good company. But of the two teams in your post, only Fogle and Bernhard have big time D1 college offers and have been hyped. One is a QB controlling every offensive play and the other is a receiver who, when he gets the ball, is a threat to score. Neither have been outstanding in their careers so far but have gained attention for their future potential. Last season in the OCC, Bernhard was 2nd team and Fogle was Honorable Mention. So this year needs to have big changes if the potential is going to be validated in high school. Anything can always happen after graduation.
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Post by Ramsfan09 on Aug 1, 2024 20:03:22 GMT -5
1. Ashland- They have been working hard and have a ton of speed this year. Also think their Oline is going to be much better this year.
2.New Philly- They always seem to be tough.
3. Mansfield- they lost alot from last year including their QB. From what I hear the Freshman QB that started some for Madison last year decided to go back to Mansfield. If I remember right they did have a good JV team last year. It will be interesting to see if they reload or rebuild this year.
4. Lexington- They do have some very good skilled players but what do they have on the Oline this year? I could see them going 6-4 or 7-3 at best.
5. Wooster- wooster is always that team that you just don’t seem to know what they have but they always seem to be atleast decent.
6. West Holmes- I may just be regretting this pick by the end of the season but for some reason I just feel like they will take a step back this season.
7. Madison- how I wish this would somehow revive this program. I think they are in for another long season.
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Post by dude on Aug 2, 2024 5:45:25 GMT -5
1. Ashland- They have been working hard and have a ton of speed this year. Also think their Oline is going to be much better this year. 2.New Philly- They always seem to be tough. 3. Mansfield- they lost alot from last year including their QB. From what I hear the Freshman QB that started some for Madison last year decided to go back to Mansfield. If I remember right they did have a good JV team last year. It will be interesting to see if they reload or rebuild this year. 4. Lexington- They do have some very good skilled players but what do they have on the Oline this year? I could see them going 6-4 or 7-3 at best. 5. Wooster- wooster is always that team that you just don’t seem to know what they have but they always seem to be atleast decent. 6. West Holmes- I may just be regretting this pick by the end of the season but for some reason I just feel like they will take a step back this season. 7. Madison- how I wish this would somehow revive this program. I think they are in for another long season. Unless some teams have missing players this season, I do not see any way the OCC finishes in this order. Some feel WH will drop off but nobody but you thinks they will finish 6th in the OCC.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Aug 3, 2024 8:17:23 GMT -5
Who is scrimmaging who over the next couple of weeks before the season starts?
Lex hosts Galion Friday 8/9 and travels to Buckeye Valley on Friday 8/16.
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Post by dude on Aug 3, 2024 13:04:50 GMT -5
Who is scrimmaging who over the next couple of weeks before the season starts? Lex hosts Galion Friday 8/9 and travels to Buckeye Valley on Friday 8/16. In the next week the OCC has Madison at Clear Fork, DeSales at Mansfield, Ashland at Hoover, W Holmes at Tri-Valley and Northwest at New Philly.
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Post by Ramsfan09 on Aug 4, 2024 0:21:12 GMT -5
1. Ashland- They have been working hard and have a ton of speed this year. Also think their Oline is going to be much better this year. 2.New Philly- They always seem to be tough. 3. Mansfield- they lost alot from last year including their QB. From what I hear the Freshman QB that started some for Madison last year decided to go back to Mansfield. If I remember right they did have a good JV team last year. It will be interesting to see if they reload or rebuild this year. 4. Lexington- They do have some very good skilled players but what do they have on the Oline this year? I could see them going 6-4 or 7-3 at best. 5. Wooster- wooster is always that team that you just don’t seem to know what they have but they always seem to be atleast decent. 6. West Holmes- I may just be regretting this pick by the end of the season but for some reason I just feel like they will take a step back this season. 7. Madison- how I wish this would somehow revive this program. I think they are in for another long season. Unless some teams have missing players this season, I do not see any way the OCC finishes in this order. Some feel WH will drop off but nobody but you thinks they will finish 6th in the OCC. You are probably right but you never Know. West Holmes will probably prove me wrong but all those teams are capable of beating West Holmes. I’m confused on why everyone thinks Mansfield will be that good when they lost so much. I mean they lost what 3-4 olinemen. They lost a couple year starter at QB and a very good WR. I think West Holmes and Mansfield could end up having down years.
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Post by dude on Aug 4, 2024 6:44:29 GMT -5
You are probably right but you never Know. West Holmes will probably prove me wrong but all those teams are capable of beating West Holmes. I’m confused on why everyone thinks Mansfield will be that good when they lost so much. I mean they lost what 3-4 olinemen. They lost a couple year starter at QB and a very good WR. I think West Holmes and Mansfield could end up having down years. We are all guessing since none of us know what teams are capable of since they have not played a game yet, but I suppose we could all say anything is capable. Last year at Mansfield the backups were practicing daily against the only team in the OCC to go 8-0. That counts for something. I'm not predicting they will go 7-0 this year but it made them better than other team's backups. Until they are challenged and/or beaten by multiple teams in the OCC, many will see them as a OCC favorite every year in early Aug.
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Post by Ramsfan09 on Aug 9, 2024 18:26:49 GMT -5
Ashland played North Canton Hoover in a scrimmage today at 6pm.The first 2 series were all Starters. Ashland scored once and North Canton scored 0. The 3rd series seemed to be a mix between some starters and backups. North Canton Hoover was finally able to move the ball on Ashlands backups and score. In the first 2 series Ashland had around 100 yards of offense and North Canton had probably 30-40 yards. Ashlands QB hit a long ball for around 50 yards and a TD. I love that North Canton has the roof over the stands to keep the sun and rain off of the fans. Good luck to my old coach Baum and North Canton this season.
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