KMAC 2017

[stanley]

Really not sure how much interest this will get, but figured we could give it a shot. Who wins the first season of the brand new Knox/Morrow Athletic Conference?

[pirate80]

This conference is built for Highland to continue their dominance. Until someone knocks them off of their pedestal the K-MAC will run through Sparta.

[babymaker]

Based on voting though looks like Danville is a very solid contender.
PS I like the one northmor vote.

[stanley]

Their 2016 season isn't even over yet and from what I understand Danville is very young and suffered through some bad injuries this year....from what I understand. I made this thread basically to just get one going obviously there is a whole year where kids can lose interest, transfer, etc. etc., but as of right now Danville is my way too early #2

[usa70pp]

Nov 7, 2016 13:45:28 GMT -5 babymaker said:

Based on voting though looks like Danville is a very solid contender.
PS I like the one northmor vote.

Were you at the Northmor Pleasant game the year the deputy fell off his horse? I think that was the year Northmor had a good team with the Galik boys. 

[stanley]

If your referring to 2006 that may be the best team Northmor has ever fielded. Galik boys were pretty good, Fedderrici boys (sp?) weren't too bad either.

[hardingmavman]

what a sad conference lol...

[stanley]

Nov 9, 2016 20:28:36 GMT -5 hardingmavman said:

what a sad conference lol...

Oh mavman get outta here! lol just kiddin!

[4]

One of the more worse conferences but atleast they have it set up and put it together so they didn't have to resort to being indepents. Harding knows how that goes. Ouch lol.

[stanley]

As of 2016 season alone...possibly not a lot to argue there, but overall let's look at it from a postseason standpoint comparing the KMAC and the MOAC
Playoff Appearances
1. Pleasant 21 MOAC
2. Danville 16 KMAC
3. Clear Fork 12 MOAC
4. Galion 8 MOAC
4. Fredericktown 8 KMAC
6. East Knox 7 KMAC
7. North Union 6 MOAC
7. Highland 6 KMAC
7. River Valley 6 MOAC
10. Marion Harding 5 MOAC
10. Centerburg 5 KMAC
2 MOAC Schools 0 Appearances
3 KMAC Schools 0 Appearances
Total MOAC 58 Appearances
Total KMAC 42 Appearances

Total Playoff Wins
1. Pleasant 26 MOAC
2. Danville 19 KMAC
3. Fredericktown 12 KMAC
4. Centerburg 6 KMAC
5. Galion 4 MOAC
5. Clear Fork 4 MOAC
7. Harding 3 MOAC
7. East Knox 3 KMAC
9. North Union 2 MOAC
9. Highland 2 KMAC
11. River Valley 1 MOAC
2 MOAC schools w 0 playoff wins
3 KMAC schools w 0 playoff wins
Total playoff wins for MOAC 40
Total playoff wins for KMAC 42

State Champs
1. Pleasant 3 MOAC
2. Galion 1 MOAC
6 MOAC w 0
All 8 KMAC w 0
MOAC total 4
KMAC total 0

State Runners up
1. Pleasant 1
MOAC 1
KMAC 0

State Semi-Finalist
1. Pleasant 5 MOAC
2. Danville 3 KMAC
3. Fredericktown 2 KMAC
4. Galion 1 MOAC
4. Centerburg 1 KMAC
MOAC 6
KMAC 5

MOAC has 16 more playoff appearances than the KMAC
KMAC has 2 more playoff wins than the MOAC
MOAC has 4 more State Champions than the 0 of the KMAC
MOAC has 1 State Runner up the KMACs 0
MOAC has 1 more State Semifinalist than the KMAC

Can't judge a league solely based off of historical numbers
Also can't judge it off of one season
Overall the current MOAC has better numbers than the current KMAC, but it's not this great big huge difference that it's often made out to be. I would say either how "bad" the KMAC is gets a little overrated or how "good" the MOAC is gets a little overrated.
Personally I think the MOAC is obviously all around better
With that being said you can probably find quite a few leagues worse than the KMAC

[4]

Moac is not good rn either. As it once was. I thought Harding had a ship in mid 1900s but that's been a long time and not sure if 100% right. But yeah there's worse then the kmac

[usa70pp]

^^^^
1966 Marion Catholic AP poll champion. They also were in the play-offs in 2004. Harding's last trip was 2003.

[blazer]

Nov 10, 2016 4:33:26 GMT -5 4 said:

Moac is not good rn either. As it once was. I thought Harding had a ship in mid 1900s but that's been a long time and not sure if 100% right. But yeah there's worse then the kmac

I believe this is hanging on the backside of the home stands. "1958 UPI State Champs"

From massillontigers.com:

"From 1958 to 1964 the championship hardware spent most of its time back in Stark County, but those teams were
beginning to loose their tight-fisted grasp on the state title. Alliance finished atop the AP poll in ‘58, but shared state
honors with UPI winner Marion Harding."

www.massillontigers.com/pdfs/Looking%20Back%20at%20the%20Ohio%20Football%20Championships%20Polls.pdf

[stanley]

Nov 10, 2016 4:33:26 GMT -5 4 said:

Moac is not good rn either. As it once was. I thought Harding had a ship in mid 1900s but that's been a long time and not sure if 100% right. But yeah there's worse then the kmac

I see what you mean. I think it's all perspective. I think if your Highland or Mount Gilead in the KMAC or Harding or Buckeye Valley in the MOAC then it's probably not that great of a league in terms of what you face in non league or what you would have to face come postseason. I think for the division 6 schools in the KMAC or any of the division 4 or smaller schools in the MOAC it's a pretty good league, and despite what happened this year will prep you for the postseason pretty well.

[usa70pp]

Nov 10, 2016 8:09:50 GMT -5 stanley said:

Nov 10, 2016 4:33:26 GMT -5 4 said:

Moac is not good rn either. As it once was. I thought Harding had a ship in mid 1900s but that's been a long time and not sure if 100% right. But yeah there's worse then the kmac

I see what you mean. I think it's all perspective. I think if your Highland or Mount Gilead in the KMAC or Harding or Buckeye Valley in the MOAC then it's probably not that great of a league in terms of what you face in non league or what you would have to face come postseason. I think for the division 6 schools in the KMAC or any of the division 4 or smaller schools in the MOAC it's a pretty good league, and despite what happened this year will prep you for the postseason pretty well.

It seems the OHSAA only recognizes the AP poll champions. Anyone know if that is their stance for sure? 

[stanley]

Nov 10, 2016 4:33:26 GMT -5 4 said:

Moac is not good rn either. As it once was. I thought Harding had a ship in mid 1900s but that's been a long time and not sure if 100% right. But yeah there's worse then the kmac

You know what 4 I think your right about Harding on that! I apologize the numbers I posted were post 1972 and only because that was the only source I could find...it was via the OHSAA websites state tournament database, so your right if Harding won a State Title before '72 (which I think they did) I would not have mentioned that in my table above. It also didn't include Pleasant, Centerburg, or RVs appearance last week, those I did go ahead and add in.

[stanley]

Nov 10, 2016 12:56:24 GMT -5 usa70pp said:

Nov 10, 2016 8:09:50 GMT -5 stanley said:

I see what you mean. I think it's all perspective. I think if your Highland or Mount Gilead in the KMAC or Harding or Buckeye Valley in the MOAC then it's probably not that great of a league in terms of what you face in non league or what you would have to face come postseason. I think for the division 6 schools in the KMAC or any of the division 4 or smaller schools in the MOAC it's a pretty good league, and despite what happened this year will prep you for the postseason pretty well.

It seems the OHSAA only recognizes the AP poll champions. Anyone know if that is their stance for sure? 

Great question USA, I don't know the answer to that.

[Willard Fillmore]

Nov 10, 2016 7:49:02 GMT -5 blazer said:

Nov 10, 2016 4:33:26 GMT -5 4 said:

Moac is not good rn either. As it once was. I thought Harding had a ship in mid 1900s but that's been a long time and not sure if 100% right. But yeah there's worse then the kmac

I believe this is hanging on the backside of the home stands. "1958 UPI State Champs"

From massillontigers.com:

"From 1958 to 1964 the championship hardware spent most of its time back in Stark County, but those teams were
beginning to loose their tight-fisted grasp on the state title. Alliance finished atop the AP poll in ‘58, but shared state
honors with UPI winner Marion Harding."

www.massillontigers.com/pdfs/Looking%20Back%20at%20the%20Ohio%20Football%20Championships%20Polls.pdf

Those from Stark Country that were "tight-fisted" have never won a State Title on the field. 

[babymaker]

A lot of teams can say that as well.

[Willard Fillmore]

Was there talk of any other counties? A more expansive juxtaposition would have been met with a similar assertion.

[Eagles nest]

Ok,I have been hearing some grumbling from my Mt Gilead brothers that the Morrow county teams (Cardington,Mt Gilead and Northmor) might jump back into the MOAC after the 1st year of the KMAC. Anyone else hearing this. The MOAC would then become 2 divisions again. With some additions of course.

[usa70pp]

Could maybe see Gilead and Dingtown coming back, but Northmor seems a bit far travel wise and size wise. With a 10 team league the MOAC could check out the way the MAC sets their schedules.

[Willard Fillmore]

Nov 12, 2016 12:19:15 GMT -5 Eagles nest said:

Ok,I have been hearing some grumbling from my Mt Gilead brothers that the Morrow county teams (Cardington,Mt Gilead and Northmor) might jump back into the MOAC after the 1st year of the KMAC. Anyone else hearing this. The MOAC would then become 2 divisions again. With some additions of course.

Why would those schools do that??? Instead of having to play Highland, they'd have to play 2 schools Highland size plus 2 schools much larger than Highland AND a program like Pleasant has. 

[moacmama]

Nov 12, 2016 12:19:15 GMT -5 Eagles nest said:

Ok,I have been hearing some grumbling from my Mt Gilead brothers that the Morrow county teams (Cardington,Mt Gilead and Northmor) might jump back into the MOAC after the 1st year of the KMAC. Anyone else hearing this. The MOAC would then become 2 divisions again. With some additions of course.

The word on the street was, that Cardington didn't want to leave in the first place but ultimately the superintendent made that decision to not cause problems with the other Morrow County schools.  Yes, heard that one clear out our way about  a year ago. 

[pirate80]

I don't believe Cardington wanted out but I have to imagine that the new league will be much better in the long run for Cardington. All the schools but Highland are their size. None of the Morrow County schools have ever been treated with any respect by the Marion County schools.

[hardingmavman]

Nov 9, 2016 21:32:48 GMT -5 stanley said:

Nov 9, 2016 20:28:36 GMT -5 hardingmavman said:

what a sad conference lol...

Oh mavman get outta here! lol just kiddin!

LOL had to poke some fun 

[babymaker]

Nov 13, 2016 17:24:17 GMT -5 pirate80 said:

I don't believe Cardington wanted out but I have to imagine that the new league will be much better in the long run for Cardington. All the schools but Highland are their size. None of the Morrow County schools have ever been treated with any respect by the Marion County schools.

Interesting what do you mean by not showing respect?

[pirate80]

My experience was just one of the Marion County schools carrying themselves as if they walked on water. Now, that predates that town turning into what it is now. Maybe Marion County's current standing has humbled them, I don't know.

I'm sure Highland was probably treated a little differently as a former Red Division school. But I'd be willing to bet if you ask any football alumni from Cardington-Lincoln, Mount Gilead, and Northmor circa 1994-2009 they would largely back up what I'm saying.

[babymaker]

Fair enough.

[pirate80]

There will be an opening at Cardington-Lincoln. Although I get the feeling that they would like to hire from within. Coach Williams has accepted the job at Miami Trace. Certainly wish him well and hope that a hire is made soon. The time that it took to hire Coach Williams after Dodrill left was a long time. Definitely hoping for a much faster transition this time around. Good luck to Coach Williams and Go Pirates!