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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Dec 2, 2016 9:18:36 GMT -5
but it's not perfect, it's awful...and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan does exist, whether you want to believe it or not: Yes it does. But what the hell does that have to do with anything? MSU and UM are located in the eastern half of the lower peninsula, as is the majority of the MI population. My statement about the division split being perfect is based on the locations of the schools. As for the rest of your post, while you may be fine with destroying the OSU/UM tradition, you are in a very small minority.
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Post by baldref on Dec 2, 2016 14:18:43 GMT -5
Several sound arguments and solid posts on this. That's why I enjoy this forum! Never really thought about it, but 39-2 and one B1G championship is perplexing, at a minimum. Situations like that is what has placed the national playoff committee in a bind this year and makes everyone else howl. Personally, the B1G championship was played in The Shoe last weekend by the two best teams, whether the PSU or Wisky boys or the haters at Secpn want to acknowledge or believe it or not.
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Post by cbus on Dec 2, 2016 15:56:06 GMT -5
That would be great and it's certainly possible. Who really knows how good Washington is and the line on the PSU v Wisc game is 2.5 pts so basically a tossup. I would put Penn St in but I think they would actually consider Colorado. As their guidelines say they favor Conference Champs over non-champs. So Michigan gets in only if they are clearly better than the conference champ and I don't think they can say that. Penn St losses were early and on the road and they beat both teams that beat Michigan. Their "guidelines" say nothing of the kind. The Committee is charged with selecting THE BEST 4 teams after 12/3. If the #4 and last spot comes down to 2 or more comparable teams, they have 4 equally weighted criteria to consider in making their decision. Only one of which is Conference Titles. As a matter of fact, the word "guideline" isn't found in the selection document If they consider a conference Championship team comparable to a non-champion then the Champ has the advantage since that is one of the criteria that is used to break the tie. Not the only criteria but one of them. Bobby Carpenter (radio) thinks Michigan will be the 4th team because the Committee will want a team that can compete with Alabama and not get blown out like MSU did last year. He had other reasons too.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 2, 2016 20:14:16 GMT -5
but it's not perfect, it's awful...and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan does exist, whether you want to believe it or not: Yes it does. But what the hell does that have to do with anything? MSU and UM are located in the eastern half of the lower peninsula, as is the majority of the MI population. My statement about the division split being perfect is based on the locations of the schools. As for the rest of your post, while you may be fine with destroying the OSU/UM tradition, you are in a very small minority. that's how i know i'm right :+)
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 2, 2016 23:17:22 GMT -5
Their "guidelines" say nothing of the kind. The Committee is charged with selecting THE BEST 4 teams after 12/3. If the #4 and last spot comes down to 2 or more comparable teams, they have 4 equally weighted criteria to consider in making their decision. Only one of which is Conference Titles. As a matter of fact, the word "guideline" isn't found in the selection document If they consider a conference Championship team comparable to a non-champion then the Champ has the advantage since that is one of the criteria that is used to break the tie. Not the only criteria but one of them. Bobby Carpenter (radio) thinks Michigan will be the 4th team because the Committee will want a team that can compete with Alabama and not get blown out like MSU did last year. He had other reasons too. IF two teams are comparable, then equal weight should be considered for Conference Title, Strength of Schedule, head to head competition and comparative outcome of common opponents(without incenting margin of victory).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 8:22:35 GMT -5
Washington likely locked up their ticket to CFP last night
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Post by Rambo McClain on Dec 3, 2016 11:57:39 GMT -5
True Road Game Record vs above .500 teams of the teams that still have a shot at the playoff 3-0 Alabama - beat 7-5 Ark, 8-4 Tenn, 7-4 LSU 2-1 Ohio State - beat 9-2 OU, 10-2 Wisc - LOST 10-2 PSU 3-0 Clemson - beat 8-4 Auburn, 7-5 GT, 9-3 FSU 2-0 Washington - beat 8-4 Utah, 8-4 Wash St ------------------------------------------- 0-2 Michigan - LOST 8-4 Iowa, 11-1 OSU 1-1 Wisconsin - beat 8-4 Iowa - LOST 10-2 Mich 0-2 Penn State - LOST 8-4 Pitt, 10-2 Mich
If Clemson wins this will be an easy Top 4 selection for the Committee.
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Post by Buckeye2b on Dec 4, 2016 12:36:34 GMT -5
Bama Clemson OSU Washington
Playoffs are set. This was an ideal year for 6 teams in a bracket. Either way, Bucks are in!!
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 4, 2016 12:55:47 GMT -5
We're In!
Didn't expect any surprises and there wasn't any. OSU slipped to 3rd by virtue of taking the week off, but that has no effect on their playoff status or any advantage/dis-advantage. Since the semi-final game is played at the neutral site of Glendale,Arizona.
Ohio State/Clemson is going to be a great matchup and expect Ohio state fans vastly outnumber Clemson as they always do in bowl games.
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Post by tori on Dec 4, 2016 13:00:17 GMT -5
Penn State screwed Ohio State free pass
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 4, 2016 13:04:36 GMT -5
/\ /\ ?? Penn State playing Pitt screwed Penn State's free pass.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 4, 2016 13:32:03 GMT -5
We're In! Didn't expect any surprises and there wasn't any. OSU slipped to 3rd by virtue of taking the week off, but that has no effect on their playoff status or any advantage/dis-advantage. Since the semi-final game is played at the advantageous site of Columbus, OH West. Ohio State/Clemson is going to be a great matchup and expect Ohio state fans vastly outnumber Clemson as they always do in bowl games. fixed that for ya
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Post by bbmind on Dec 4, 2016 13:32:16 GMT -5
No, Penn State losing to Pitt cost them not playing them.
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Post by 1percenter on Dec 4, 2016 14:23:01 GMT -5
Penn State lost twice, one of them by 39 points. Head to head talk is silly, if head to head were so important then Michigan should be ahead of Penn State (49-10) says it all.
Penn State wants in because they beat Ohio State head to head Michigan wants in because they beat Penn State by 39 head to head Iowa wants in because they beat Michigan Head to head North Dakota State wants in because they beat Iowa head to head
Two equal teams and one of them wins 49-10 and I will say head to head matters Two equal teams and the head to head is decided by 8 points or less and I say who cares about head to head
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Post by tori on Dec 4, 2016 14:46:30 GMT -5
If the shoe was on the other foot, OSU still makes the playoff. Ohio state free pass!
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Post by bbmind on Dec 4, 2016 15:00:28 GMT -5
Really Tori? What year did Ohio State get in with 2 losses? Thanks for playing.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 4, 2016 17:17:56 GMT -5
No, Penn State losing to Pitt cost them not playing them. No, if Pitt wasn't on Penn State schedule, it would have been impossible for Penn State to lose to Pitt. Washington has given all other wannabees the template for making the Four Team Playoff. Get the 3 worst possible teams in Div1 football as your OOC schedule.
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Post by bbmind on Dec 4, 2016 18:45:49 GMT -5
Again look for excuses vs reality. Penn State was allowed to beat Pitt you don't know had we lost to Oklahoma if we would have beat Penn State. Not all games that happened after something would have happened had the previous thing not happened. We do know Penn State lost to Pitt we do know Penn State lost by 39 to a team we own we do know Buckeyes have 1 loss. We do know Penn State will fly West but instead of landing in Phoenix like playoff worthy teams they will keep going to LAX and play in the Rose Bowl in a game of teams with 5 combined losses.
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Post by cbus on Dec 4, 2016 18:55:27 GMT -5
IF two teams are comparable, then equal weight should be considered for Conference Title, Strength of Schedule, head to head competition and comparative outcome of common opponents(without incenting margin of victory).
Washington- Conf Title-1, SOS-0, Head to Head- 0, Common Opponents-0 Penn St- Conf Title-1, SOS-1, Head to Head-0, Common Opponent-0
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 4, 2016 19:16:27 GMT -5
Too many of us are are thinking too hard. Trust this playoff committee, comprised of supremely qualified and men and women of absolute integrity and trust the system.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 4, 2016 19:22:40 GMT -5
Again look for excuses vs reality. Penn State was allowed to beat Pitt you don't know had we lost to Oklahoma if we would have beat Penn State. Not all games that happened after something would have happened had the previous thing not happened. We do know Penn State lost to Pitt we do know Penn State lost by 39 to a team we own we do know Buckeyes have 1 loss. We do know Penn State will fly West but instead of landing in Phoenix like playoff worthy teams they will keep going to LAX and play in the Rose Bowl in a game of teams with 5 combined losses. I could give a shat about Penn State. I'm talking REALITY and FACTS. The reason Washington made the playoffs is that they had THE weakest OOC schedule of all teams in the Power 5 Conferences. A FACT! What if Washington went on the road and played Oklahoma like Ohio State did? LSU like Wisconsin did, Pitt like Penn State and Oklahoma State did, Alabama like USC did, Auburn like Clemson did, Ole Miss like Florida State did, Tennessee like Virgina Tech did? A second place team in ANY Power 5 Conference like Michigan did? AND this committee did not want to be the first committee to have a team that didn't win a Conference Title, AS WELL AS the first 2 loss team AND/OR 2 teams from the same conference not called the SEC.
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Post by cbus on Dec 4, 2016 19:41:31 GMT -5
Too many of us are are thinking too hard. Trust this playoff committee, comprised of supremely qualified and men and women of absolute integrity and trust the system. That is the opposite of what a sports talk message board is all about. Plus D-1 CFB has designed a system where you are supposed to question decisions-that's where the fun is. Otherwise it would be the NFL or D-2 and D-3 college.
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Post by bbmind on Dec 4, 2016 20:23:46 GMT -5
LSU played Wisconsin on a neutral field in Green Bay. I think you were selling that another way. Point taken see my point don't lose 2 games is something true three years in a row now. Tennessee and Va Tech also neutral field.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 4, 2016 21:08:35 GMT -5
Too many of us are are thinking too hard. Trust this playoff committee, comprised of supremely qualified and men and women of absolute integrity and trust the system. That is the opposite of what a sports talk message board is all about. Plus D-1 CFB has designed a system where you are supposed to question decisions-that's where the fun is. Otherwise it would be the NFL or D-2 and D-3 college. So true.....
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Post by cbus on Dec 4, 2016 22:08:26 GMT -5
LSU played Wisconsin on a neutral field in Green Bay. I think you were selling that another way. Point taken see my point don't lose 2 games is something true three years in a row now. Tennessee and Va Tech also neutral field. Just because it's happened 3 years in a row doesn't make it right and doesn't mean it's the best for CFB.
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Post by bbmind on Dec 4, 2016 22:22:48 GMT -5
What's best for college football is what's happened so far in these 3 years. The right teams made the playoffs. Oklahoma and Penn State had 2 losses which opened the door and Buckeyes walked right through it. Washington also took advantage of those teams having two losses. Don't lose 2 games and complain about not getting a chance to win a championship those teams don't deserve a chance to play for the championship.
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Post by galion on Dec 5, 2016 5:02:41 GMT -5
At the point that they need to resort to bringing in a 2 loss team they may as well go back the old BCS system and do away with the 4 team playoff. If you lose 2 games you are not a final 4 team period.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 7:38:05 GMT -5
Once again they got it right.
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Post by cbus on Dec 5, 2016 7:52:53 GMT -5
And future scheduling will be adjusted accordingly. Let the early crappy games commence-sad.
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Post by tommygunn on Dec 5, 2016 8:35:21 GMT -5
I would have liked to see PSU get in over Washington considering they played nobody until their conference championship game and Colorado is garbage btw. However, 2 losses will kill your shot at getting in 99% of the time, especially when there are 3 other 1 loss teams in front of you. Pitt killed PSU's chances when OSU won out, bottom line. Yesterday was yet again a day full of butt hurt UM fans, crying and bitching. Most thought they deserved that 4 spot because they beat PSU and most said OSU didn't deserve to be in the top 4. Their reasonings where so off the wall only a retard could comprehend all the madness being posted by Michigan fans. Straight up, Michigan is full of some of the dumbest (literally) fans in NCAA football.
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