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Post by gt1975 on Dec 4, 2016 19:25:54 GMT -5
I think I would just trust that Coach Balogh knows what he's doing at this point... Also, just about every coach does this too
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 21:18:58 GMT -5
After watching the game it was quite obvious that J Todd was not needed during the time he sat in this game. It appeared that Ontario was doing well enough with the end of their bench.
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Post by dump on Dec 5, 2016 13:48:58 GMT -5
Huron started the year off with a bang and had a great come from behind win against Norwalk. Jared Hohler, still fuming about being left off of the All Ohio first team for football, came out with a vengeance, scoring 22 points, including the go ahead three pointer in the waning seconds of the game. This team looked good considering it was the first game. Once Barnes gets back from his suspension, I see no reason why this team can't win the conference. Barnes and Hohler may be the best backcourt the SBC has seen since Tony Genter and Brandon Smith were at Perkins.
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Post by runshoot on Dec 5, 2016 13:59:59 GMT -5
Huron 70 Norwalk 67 Final Norwalk's #34, had 36 points, What a great player. What a fun game to watch. Huron up early by a few, Then Norwalk lead most of the game, as many as 10, numerous times.Then back and forth, until Huron scored the last 5 of the game ( a 3 and 2 foul shots). . Norwalk turns the ball over a ton. And why wasn't that a technical foul when notealks kid wrapped his arm around Huron's guy shoulder and threw him to the ground when they needed to foul huron?! Instead common foul. Huron is going to live by the theee or die by it.
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Post by cbus on Dec 6, 2016 12:01:24 GMT -5
Does Bellevue have a team this year?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 15:11:06 GMT -5
You don't care if your head coach has 500 losses? Since you are not knowledgeable, allow me to educate you. This is the 32nd year. SO, your philosophy is to continue to play your players until they foul out regardless of how many fouls they have, regardless of what quarter it is and regardless of what the score is? What if it is such that your best players don't have to play 30-32 minutes every game and still win contested games? Even if they have zero fouls? I'll answer each question in order for you. I don't know if any coach that has 500 loses and I doubt we will ever see that. I don't really care about the exact number of years he's been there, it's a lot and he still has Zero state titles. My philosophical point is a player should be able to play with fouls instead of a coach sitting him down regardless the score
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 6, 2016 15:37:56 GMT -5
You should seek accuracy, or was that a snide remark?
Winning a State Title is almost as rare as losing 500 games. To win a State Title at the DI or DII level usually requires at least on Div 1 College player on the roster.
Would you ever play anyone other than your 5 starters? If so, how is an 8 player rotation different than taking out a player with 2 fouls? That would only require a slight adjustment to your normal rotation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 15:55:19 GMT -5
bighoss, I see where you are coming from. A player has 4 fouls to give so 2 should not put them on the bench. I do think it has more to do with the situation of the game and need of that player. 4 coaches win a State title every year so saying a State title is almost as rare as a coach with 500 losses would not be accurate. Regardless bighoss, to your point, the coach's total number of wins and losses do not matter nor do the years of his service, but I will say it is not worth the argument you will receive. Enjoy your day.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 6, 2016 16:20:48 GMT -5
How many head coaches have there been in the history of Ohio high school basketball? Before 1988 only 3 coaches won State Titles. Before 1971 to the beginning of high school basketball only 2 coaches won State titles. How many coaches have won multiple State Titles? Before the mass consolidation of school districts in the 1950's there were more high schools than today. Most all tiny High School with 15 boys had a basketball team. The team sport that takes the fewest players. Nearly practically roughly.
The vast majority of the big time college coaches I've seen, sit their players when they get 2 fouls in the first half, for as long as it doesn't jeopardize a win.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 18:37:39 GMT -5
I think I'm going to take scooter advice and exit the argument. Just have one more question or Willy, do you spit for Balogh?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 6, 2016 18:53:37 GMT -5
Good time to exit. I know who you wipe "or".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 19:30:40 GMT -5
I bet you do
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 6, 2016 19:48:35 GMT -5
WOW, you got me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 20:15:07 GMT -5
Na na na, na na na, heyyyyy good bye
Welcome to BLOCK land
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 22:49:44 GMT -5
Wise move.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 20:55:19 GMT -5
Final tonight: St. Mary 68 Clyde 58
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 7, 2016 22:41:06 GMT -5
Na na na, na na na, heyyyyy good bye Welcome to BLOCK land Sha, na, na, na, hey, hey, hey good bye..... Are the actual lyrics.
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Post by portwalk on Dec 8, 2016 6:38:52 GMT -5
WF still can't see through the Balough BROMANCE to look at the question or participate in the discussion
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 9:04:35 GMT -5
Always been that way portwalk.
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Post by lozenger4 on Dec 8, 2016 9:21:32 GMT -5
With regards to the whole quarter thing, I used to be in the school of thought that it was foolish to take someone out because of foul trouble. Why play someone 20 minutes and let the game get away just so he can finish (as opposed to maybe fouling out but he can play 25+ minutes and the game is closer)? I still lean toward that thought, but over time I've come to be more open-minded. I think there are 2 primary factors and a few secondary ones:
1) Is there a significant drop-off on the bench from the player in early foul trouble? 2) How well does the coach trust the player to play smart?
#2 is probably the most important IMO. The first two branch off into several secondary questions:
- Is the whole offense built around a couple of stars? If the star is in foul trouble, can others pick up the slack or would there be a huge drop-off? - What's the player's role? If he is an aggressive defensive stopper then he may easily pick up another foul, but if he's not relied upon to score then you may as well use him as much as possible. If the team has multiple scorers and the player is a scorer, maybe let him sit for awhile and put him back in to give the other scorers a rest. - What is the game situation? Is the player fatigued from a previous night and the rotation was going to be deeper than usual? Is the game going just fine without needing the player at the moment? - What are the coach's options? Some smaller schools only have 1 or 2 big men. If they're going up against a big team and another foul is likely, maybe take him out and change defenses (press for a bit) to neutralize that disadvantage. - Can you hide him on defense?
I'm sure there are about 100 different reasons for both options, so unless it comes down to a foolish coach thinking he is going by the book and must take his player out to do the right thing because he thinks that's what coaches are supposed to do, I tend to trust the coach in this situation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 10:41:16 GMT -5
With regards to the whole quarter thing, I used to be in the school of thought that it was foolish to take someone out because of foul trouble. Why play someone 20 minutes and let the game get away just so he can finish (as opposed to maybe fouling out but he can play 25+ minutes and the game is closer)? I still lean toward that thought, but over time I've come to be more open-minded. I think there are 2 primary factors and a few secondary ones: 1) Is there a significant drop-off on the bench from the player in early foul trouble? 2) How well does the coach trust the player to play smart? #2 is probably the most important IMO. The first two branch off into several secondary questions: - Is the whole offense built around a couple of stars? If the star is in foul trouble, can others pick up the slack or would there be a huge drop-off? - What's the player's role? If he is an aggressive defensive stopper then he may easily pick up another foul, but if he's not relied upon to score then you may as well use him as much as possible. If the team has multiple scorers and the player is a scorer, maybe let him sit for awhile and put him back in to give the other scorers a rest. - What is the game situation? Is the player fatigued from a previous night and the rotation was going to be deeper than usual? Is the game going just fine without needing the player at the moment? - What are the coach's options? Some smaller schools only have 1 or 2 big men. If they're going up against a big team and another foul is likely, maybe take him out and change defenses (press for a bit) to neutralize that disadvantage. - Can you hide him on defense? I'm sure there are about 100 different reasons for both options, so unless it comes down to a foolish coach thinking he is going by the book and must take his player out to do the right thing because he thinks that's what coaches are supposed to do, I tend to trust the coach in this situation. IMO, very good response lozenger4. there is no right or wrong way to handle this. I can agree that the #2 is probably the biggest factor in making this call. If the answer to #1 is no and you can sit the player for a long amount of time then at the end of the night(without foul trouble) he and his replacement should be relatively even in minutes played. If not then there is a drop off. My thought has always been regardless of how good your bench players may be, if a starter picks up 2 quick fouls, he is a starter for a reason and you need him on the floor and should be able to trust him to make the smart play. Unless of course you are playing a team that does not require your best effort from your team.
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Post by tommygunn on Dec 8, 2016 13:50:41 GMT -5
WF still can't see through the Balough BROMANCE to look at the question or participate in the discussion They share the same testicles.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 8, 2016 17:13:45 GMT -5
WF still can't see through the Balough BROMANCE to look at the question or participate in the discussion READ ABOVE AND COMPREHEND. Looked at the question and participated in the discussion. I laid out the logic for taking J. Todd out of the game with 2 fouls. I gave Balogh's quote on why he did it. I pointed out the fact that most high school and college coaches do the same. Also mentioned that if the player sitting threatens the out come of a game the decision could change. The action was so obviously correct, that scooty agreed with Balogh siting J.Todd with 2 fouls.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 17:24:53 GMT -5
It's obvious that you think of me all the time as you reference me frequently, but if you are to ignorant to get my name correct maybe you shouldn't be posting.
For the record, I never said I agreed with it, as you incorrectly stated. I understood it.
Nuff said.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 18:45:07 GMT -5
With regards to the whole quarter thing, I used to be in the school of thought that it was foolish to take someone out because of foul trouble. Why play someone 20 minutes and let the game get away just so he can finish (as opposed to maybe fouling out but he can play 25+ minutes and the game is closer)? I still lean toward that thought, but over time I've come to be more open-minded. I think there are 2 primary factors and a few secondary ones: 1) Is there a significant drop-off on the bench from the player in early foul trouble? 2) How well does the coach trust the player to play smart? #2 is probably the most important IMO. The first two branch off into several secondary questions: - Is the whole offense built around a couple of stars? If the star is in foul trouble, can others pick up the slack or would there be a huge drop-off? - What's the player's role? If he is an aggressive defensive stopper then he may easily pick up another foul, but if he's not relied upon to score then you may as well use him as much as possible. If the team has multiple scorers and the player is a scorer, maybe let him sit for awhile and put him back in to give the other scorers a rest. - What is the game situation? Is the player fatigued from a previous night and the rotation was going to be deeper than usual? Is the game going just fine without needing the player at the moment? - What are the coach's options? Some smaller schools only have 1 or 2 big men. If they're going up against a big team and another foul is likely, maybe take him out and change defenses (press for a bit) to neutralize that disadvantage. - Can you hide him on defense? I'm sure there are about 100 different reasons for both options, so unless it comes down to a foolish coach thinking he is going by the book and must take his player out to do the right thing because he thinks that's what coaches are supposed to do, I tend to trust the coach in this situation. Thank you for the thoughtful response. 1) I don't think there are a whole lot of teams that have a particular deep bench. When we are talking about high school basketball more times than not there is a big drop of in talent from your best players to your 7 or 8 man. 2) This is probably the best answer, which tells me that high school coaches don't trust their players and over coach...imo
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Post by portwalk on Dec 8, 2016 21:50:33 GMT -5
I always question coach Gray being a Norwalk fan and I agree it comes down to coaches trusting their better players but with the thin talent you have at the HS level I agree sometimes you need to roll the dice...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 9, 2016 15:15:43 GMT -5
After watching the game it was QUITE OBVIOUS that J Todd was not needed during the time he sat in this game. IT APPEARED that Ontario was doing well enough with the end of their bench. Here's what you said scooty. That sure sounds like you 100% agreed with the decision. BTW, you are untruthful as always. I only called you scooty after you FIRST addressed me as Filly, Willy, WillFill, WTF etc. I only speak as spoken to. bighoss, you should know that Balogh has always had a trusted deep bench. If early in the season you don't show that trust, how will your bench respond when you might really need then later in the year? The 6-4 Freshman, who replaced J.Todd, was closer to Campbell's size and did a good defensively. I believe he only had 1 foul. ALSO, the night before Ontario played a Triple OT game AT Mansfield Senior.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 16:02:27 GMT -5
Where did I say I agreed with the decision? Show me. Prove it. Saying he was not needed says more about St Pete then it does the decision.
Saying it in response and saying it all the time is 2 different things. You look for and begin arguments with your posts and then try to spin it off as someone else's doing. Many on here are starting to see thru your actions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 21:10:54 GMT -5
Final score, Huron 63 Oak Harbor 47, Huron now 2-0 (1-0 SBC Bay).
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Post by dump on Dec 9, 2016 22:26:52 GMT -5
Huron wins easily against Oak Harbor. Tigers are 2-0 and looking much better then you all expected. Is this the best tiger team in history? Would be hard pressed to find a more complete team than this one. Led by Jared Hohler this team looks poised to get back to the regionals. Go tigers..
Meanwhile, the Blue Streaks handed it to Fillmore's Ontario Dumpbags. I think Sandusky may be the only team in the area who could beat huron. Go steaks
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