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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 3, 2016 22:31:44 GMT -5
In the opposite order. #1 is coaching, no Collins. #2 is players transferring. Senior's best Freshman a 6-4 guard/forward moved to Ontario to "run away" from Mansfield(per scooty) and play for Balogh. Most schools are shrinking, not an excuse. Senior has 3 good players this year then it drops off considerably. Senior's JV team might not win a game this year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 0:58:00 GMT -5
I never said any player was running from Mansfield to play for Balogh. Get your story straight before you try to throw someone to the curb.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 22:57:18 GMT -5
I have followed basketball in the Mansfield area for my than 30 years.........I can recall when Malabar was #1 in the state in d2 and Senior High was in the top top 5 at the same time...........Question I watched the Senior High Ontario game on wmfd and wow I was shocked at the size and lack of athletes by Senior high.....Cant ever recall them at this low of a talent level in basketball. I remember coach Collins telling me there jv team back in the days could win the ncc and some smaller conference leagues in the area and I remember being excited to go their jv games and watch the next up and coming players which might even include a couple of dunks..........Now from watching from afar is it the#1 the loss of population #2 kids going to other schools #3 coaching or just a lack of talent in the Mansfield area................
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 22:58:59 GMT -5
The numbers have dropped over the years for Mansfield. This is a part of it.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 10, 2016 15:19:37 GMT -5
I never said any player was running from Mansfield to play for Balogh. Get your story straight before you try to throw someone to the curb. You're right, it was worse than that. You said families were "running from" Senior in general. This was just one specific case in regards to the query about Mansfield's basketball program. Senior's best freshman "running from" Senior to Ontario to play basketball for Balogh instead of Senior's coach.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 10, 2016 15:28:04 GMT -5
The numbers have dropped over the years for Mansfield. This is a part of it. Need I list the MANY schools in North Central Ohio whose "numbers have dropped over the years." An excuse that any of them could use as a reason. Tell us how many students Lex has lost since they were in DI and why it has NOT affected their athletic programs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 23:01:43 GMT -5
Jayhawk, the Mansfield schools have a solid tradition in basketball in the past. Today they are still playing in the D1 brackets but have lost a large number of the athletes that used to walk the halls.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 10, 2016 23:26:24 GMT -5
How could it hurt if they lost the athletes that used to walk the halls???
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 23:40:37 GMT -5
I'm sorry if you could not read the full sentence. If a school loses a large number of athletes that once walked it's halls it will probably drop.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 11, 2016 14:23:47 GMT -5
How can basketball at Senior "drop", if athletes walking the halls(not playing) have been lost?? I'm truly sorry that you have a problem with the written word, as I don't think you want to own that claim as written.
NOW, if athletes that ARE or would be playing have been lost, as opposed to the ones not playing(walking the halls). That IS a completely different scenario AND an issue of concern.
However, again, enrollments at most all schools in North Central Ohio are declining. But, I can't speak for hall walkers at those schools. One of your many areas of minutia expertise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 20:02:24 GMT -5
Every athlete walks the halls if they are enrolled at a school. Walking the halls of a school means you attend there. Benji Hall walked the halls of Ontario so he played for Ontario. Had he never walked the halls of Ontario he could not have played there.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Dec 12, 2016 0:14:32 GMT -5
There are a lot of kids that walk the halls a most schools that could possibly help the said teams if they chose to be a part of the said teams. I went to school with a guy who was 6'6" who could play basketball but he chose not to play for the team because he wanted to work. But But Senior not getting the same atheletes as did 10 or 20 years ago is just like Orrville or Willard not getting the same type of atheletes as they once had roaming the halls. Lex has had and continue to have some good kids that want to participate in sports. But what that will look like in 10-15 years who knows. But it generally always goes in cycles. Not going to put any coaches down on here, but the talent is just not there right now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 6:49:33 GMT -5
I agree that schools go into cycles but those cycles can be attributed to the environment or socioeconomic status. Sandusky had a rough patch and has started to come back strong in boys sports. Mansfield has been very successful over the years and statistics support it. However, talent is talent and you need that to win with senior schedule. The old saying you can't turn a pile of crap into a chocolate cake has some validity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 8:56:43 GMT -5
Mansfield used to graduate 300+ in a class. Now they have years under 200. If you take 400-500 kids out of a high school you will surely see a difference.
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Post by unc4life on Dec 12, 2016 9:51:27 GMT -5
Another thing that most people don't talk about, but how many of these lost kids are still in the area just going to different schools. Ontario, Madison, Lexington, Mansfield St Pete's all have had kids over the last 6 years in their school that would have used to go to Mansfield.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 10:58:15 GMT -5
With Madison and Ontario having open enrollment those could be easy. St Pete has more than a few kids on their roster that were not in the Mansfield area private schools before high school. I'm not aware of any at Lexington but I don't know every kid in every district. My guess would be you could add Ashland, Mansfield Christian, Clear Fork, Galion to that list also.
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Post by mrsteel on Dec 12, 2016 13:27:08 GMT -5
Back when the state stepped in, they were getting vouchers to go to area privates? Also they have more trouble keeping kids eligible than other schools do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 13:40:54 GMT -5
The vouchers have stopped but the grades are still the same.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2016 20:01:36 GMT -5
Every athlete walks the halls if they are enrolled at a school. Walking the halls of a school means you attend there. Benji Hall walked the halls of Ontario so he played for Ontario. Had he never walked the halls of Ontario he could not have played there. Man you are REALLY an old geezer. As far as I remember, coaches have always complained that there were better players "walking the halls" than on the sports team being discussed. "Walking the halls" meant you were not playing a sport and should be.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2016 20:03:41 GMT -5
There are a lot of kids that walk the halls a most schools that could possibly help the said teams if they chose to be a part of the said teams. I went to school with a guy who was 6'6" who could play basketball but he chose not to play for the team because he wanted to work. But But Senior not getting the same atheletes as did 10 or 20 years ago is just like Orrville or Willard not getting the same type of atheletes as they once had roaming the halls. Lex has had and continue to have some good kids that want to participate in sports. But what that will look like in 10-15 years who knows. But it generally always goes in cycles. Not going to put any coaches down on here, but the talent is just not there right now. EXACTLY.....tell scooty about the definition of "walking the halls".
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2016 20:07:08 GMT -5
Mansfield used to graduate 300+ in a class. Now they have years under 200. If you take 400-500 kids out of a high school you will surely see a difference. Need I give the list of all the schools in North Central Ohio that enrollment is decreasing?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2016 20:10:55 GMT -5
Another thing that most people don't talk about, but how many of these lost kids are still in the area just going to different schools. Ontario, Madison, Lexington, Mansfield St Pete's all have had kids over the last 6 years in their school that would have used to go to Mansfield. Those would be the ones that scooty says "runs away" from Senior. THE #1 reason for their talent pool being shallower.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2016 20:14:14 GMT -5
With Madison and Ontario having open enrollment those could be easy. St Pete has more than a few kids on their roster that were not in the Mansfield area private schools before high school. I'm not aware of any at Lexington but I don't know every kid in every district. My guess would be you could add Ashland, Mansfield Christian, Clear Fork, Galion to that list also. Think Lex football a couple of head coaches ago.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2016 20:19:36 GMT -5
The vouchers have stopped but the grades are still the same. They will be coming back under the new Secretary of Education.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 21:35:55 GMT -5
Every athlete walks the halls if they are enrolled at a school. Walking the halls of a school means you attend there. Benji Hall walked the halls of Ontario so he played for Ontario. Had he never walked the halls of Ontario he could not have played there. Man you are REALLY an old geezer. As far as I remember, coaches have always complained that there were better players "walking the halls" than on the sports team being discussed. "Walking the halls" meant you were not playing a sport and should be. I guess that is your best way of saying you misunderstood what what posted. So now you know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 21:36:44 GMT -5
Mansfield used to graduate 300+ in a class. Now they have years under 200. If you take 400-500 kids out of a high school you will surely see a difference. Need I give the list of all the schools in North Central Ohio that enrollment is decreasing? No. List the ones for us that are increasing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 21:38:23 GMT -5
Another thing that most people don't talk about, but how many of these lost kids are still in the area just going to different schools. Ontario, Madison, Lexington, Mansfield St Pete's all have had kids over the last 6 years in their school that would have used to go to Mansfield. Those would be the ones that scooty says "runs away" from Senior. THE #1 reason for their talent pool being shallower. Again disrespectful and I'm in your posts constantly. You need to stop before you are accused of a man-crush.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 21:39:31 GMT -5
With Madison and Ontario having open enrollment those could be easy. St Pete has more than a few kids on their roster that were not in the Mansfield area private schools before high school. I'm not aware of any at Lexington but I don't know every kid in every district. My guess would be you could add Ashland, Mansfield Christian, Clear Fork, Galion to that list also. Think Lex football a couple of head coaches ago. You do know this is a basketball conversation on a basketball topic in a basketball forum, right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 21:40:36 GMT -5
The vouchers have stopped but the grades are still the same. They will be coming back under the new Secretary of Education. But they are not here now so it's a none factor, currently.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 14, 2016 22:41:57 GMT -5
Man you are REALLY an old geezer. As far as I remember, coaches have always complained that there were better players "walking the halls" than on the sports team being discussed. "Walking the halls" meant you were not playing a sport and should be. I guess that is your best way of saying you misunderstood what what posted. So now you know. What what??? Only an old geezer like you would think anything other than what "walking the halls" means today.
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