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Post by portwalk on Dec 1, 2018 18:44:28 GMT -5
79-80, 80-81, 81-82, 83-84 All Willard teams better than Norwalk's State Champs. However, Upper State Champs may be the best I've seen. Throw out 83-84 and compare WHS 80-82 v 12-14 NHS would be interesting to breakdown.
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Post by portwalk on Dec 1, 2018 18:59:38 GMT -5
WHS 77-3 with 17-3 record in tournament all D2 NHS 76-2 with 13-1 record in tournament 2 in D1 and 1 in D2
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Post by portwalk on Mar 17, 2019 15:02:18 GMT -5
Jeff Thomas (11 points today) and GSU advance to the NCAA championships for the 2nd straight year. Their D is stifling and with a veteran team that has bought into the philosophy. Should be a fun watch next week as Jeff continues his college career. A 1000 point scorer and #1 all time in GSU history in games played and counting...
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Post by kniteflyer on Mar 17, 2019 19:31:09 GMT -5
Knite, what Bellevue teams you had in mind? Hey Jake (and Port): I stumbled across this when Port refreshed it. The Bellevue team that actually WON a game at the Regional. Lyle (I still love him) got there a few, but didn't fare too well once there. An aside, I found it difficult to believe that Bellevue had won "only" 6 District titles since the split from 2 classes to 3 divisions in 1970-71!!! Good Lord it sure felt like more, especially when they knocked off Willard. I'm a tad ashamed, as I am the historian for us old farts and the Ashland AA/D2 District, but the "6" number surely did strike me, and in light of Willard's 17..... Bellevue also had a team under Shine (not a favorite of mine), that had 3, as he called them "Willard's" in one season. 2 close games and a blowout by 29 in the District Final, IIRC. I can forgive that, as they were a very good team that had a bad night, while playing another very good team. Willard got in Bellevue's head that night, and Bellevue couldn't get out of their own way. It happens, but it wasn't a true sense of just how good Bellevue was by any stretch. 19-3 is/was a great record. The 82-83 Redmen were probably better than Willard, but I'm not sure either would be ranked in front the Norwalk '14. Willard won a close on at home early. Bellevue peeled Willard by 18, up there, late, and the week after(?) Willard had been upset at Tiffin. This made that 2nd contest a de facto championship game. Willard bounced back in the District Final and won in O.T. Rex Adams was a junior, Chris Paxton, Andy Zigman, Mark Reilly, and Doug Lillo (Mike's cousin) were seniors. Scrappy as a burlap sack full of cats that bunch. Haas outcoached Shine that night, in spades. So 2, 2.5, tops, without rifling through reams of papers.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 17, 2019 19:39:41 GMT -5
Ivthink Tiffin beat Willard prior to Bellevue game. But, while we're at it, who stood out on 1980 Bellevue besides the late John Green? I was only 9-10 so don't know if it was Green and role players, or their was a Robin or two...
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Post by kniteflyer on Mar 17, 2019 20:11:05 GMT -5
Knite in depth as always... obviously there is almost always a little luck involved in winning a tournament. However I would disagree that somehow it took that and not talent to get them over the hump and win. Back to the point I was making there was no fluke in beating down 2 very good teams at the State tournament I am sure you watched both games... as for Willard I’ll take your lead and ask the question???What Crimson team would have been better than NHS 13 or 14 teams??? and I’ll listen to your always expert opinion... I believe that we aren't all that far apart on this one (somebody jot that down, LOL!). No fluke at all in Columbus. I cheered, HARD, in the Semis. My wallet did too! It took luck, AND it took talent. One was a given, Norwalk was talented, but being "lucky" (which in coach speak is often a byproduct of hard work and TALENT) was a significant factor in a couple of very close games. If that kid from Vermilion is a little "luckier" and hits just 1 more of those bombs he was dropping late, it's the Sailors not the Truckers playing on Saturday. And the goaltending call was blown. Norwalk took advantage, and Bath didn't do enough to overcome it. They did have 2.5 quarters, but on the other hand, to poo-poo it (not you, at this time, but maybe 5 years ago....and Heaven knows there were dozens that tried to downplay it) is simply not reasonable. DIG ALERT >>> Maybe it's a Norwalk "thing" to claim those things "don't matter" as folks did (again, maybe not you, maybe so) when the 92 year old clock keeper fell asleep at the end of regulation in the District Semis vs. Willard in 2005. Retrospectively, it just allowed Norwalk to take the donkey whipping that Upper Sandusky was handling out in the Finals. Willard folks thought they had a chance the 3rd time. They did not. Nor the 30th time. Lather, rinse, repeat for Norwalk. There's a reason that they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to hang scoreboards all about gyms. Them thare numbers that flash upon them MATTER. Anything that alters those numbers, MATTERS. But, at the end of it all, the final score matters, most.....well, that and being a good sport and having some fun and maybe learning a few hundred life lessons, but you get the picture. Crimson 5 posted Willard teams that would be at the forefront of any debate. All would be worthy, in my opinion. Probably no more than 3 others, in there as well. Off the top of my head, 85-86 that lost to Malabar in the District Semi; the 87-88 team that lost to Oberlin in the Regional Semi; and that undefeated team that drives Scarlet up the wall from 90-91 that lost to Fostoria in the Sectional Finals. Honorable mention, the 72-73 team that lost to Lexington in the Sectional Finals. There's no debate, or shouldn't be much of one, Upper Sandusky '05 gets the brass ring. Dollars to doughnuts, they don't lose to anyone else from the NOL history book, but they didn't exactly waltz to a State title either. Single digits games. It would be fallacy to think that some of the other great teams from days gone by couldn't have hung with them.
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Post by kniteflyer on Mar 17, 2019 20:16:22 GMT -5
Ivthink Tiffin beat Willard prior to Bellevue game. But, while we're at it, who stood out on 1980 Bellevue besides the late John Green? I was only 9-10 so don't know if it was Green and role players, or their was a Robin or two... Names of the role players have faded. Ask your Pops. LOL! Seriously, Kelly Watson was a nice post. Kanable and he battled. Billy Nasonti might have been a junior, but I don't recall? I'm sure that there was a Hay or Vogel or some other "Bellevue" name.
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Post by kniteflyer on Mar 17, 2019 20:17:40 GMT -5
By the way, Green averaged 25 his senior year.
23 as a junior.
Very nice.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 17, 2019 20:23:42 GMT -5
There was Kelly Gibson and Tim Watson, but don't remember them scoring a whole bunch, and Gibson also missed some time due to injury. Bill Nasonti and Casey Beamer were Juniors but not sure their input that year.
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Post by kniteflyer on Mar 17, 2019 20:33:51 GMT -5
Yep. I crossed that up in my post, so much so, that I FORGOT to list Watson completely. Please don't forward this thread to your crosstown buddies at St. Paul, especially the Girls Basketball staff. Gibson was intense. Watson too. 2 bigs, 3 if you count Green, against Willard's 1-1.5. Rebounding was always a concern for Willard vs. Bellevue, in those days. If they scored, it was on putbacks and 2 on 1's after Green either shot or broke down the defense off the dribble. They sure as heck weren't running sets for them. LOL! Nasonti was the leading scorer the following year. Casey Smith was a little better than you or I.
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