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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 8, 2017 13:56:31 GMT -5
CC's future looks bright, but St. Pete's is on another level. They are a fun team to watch. My biggest concern with St. Pete's is that they don't seem to have any depth. If they get into foul trouble against a really good team, it might get interesting. St.Pete will be better next year than this year, but after that their future is not bright. After next year all of their good players will have graduated and their head coach will be gone with his son. And their JV team is bad.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 8, 2017 13:59:04 GMT -5
Have seen both teams play a couple of times this year. If CC can keep this from being a fast paced game and feed the post players for 15points between the two of them they might pull off the upset. Hopefully it will be a good game.😎😎 The result of the CC/St.Pete game could be similar to the results of the CC/Upper games.
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Post by 94hoops on Mar 8, 2017 20:58:20 GMT -5
St Petes is 40 points better than South Central 30 Points better than St Paul and 20 points better than CrAwford. There that good!
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Post by hoopsfan on Mar 9, 2017 12:17:10 GMT -5
Yep...stack a D4 team with guys that would be starting at D1 schools and you should be pretty darn good!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 12:40:06 GMT -5
Yep...stack a D4 team with guys that would be starting at D1 schools and you should be pretty darn good! I guess that can work.
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Post by larrylegend on Mar 10, 2017 19:39:47 GMT -5
CC up 27-26 at the half
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Post by larrylegend on Mar 10, 2017 19:51:45 GMT -5
Good 3rd for St Pete they take a 40-35 leading heading to the 4th
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Post by larrylegend on Mar 10, 2017 20:09:47 GMT -5
St Pete pulled away in the 4th for the win 59-42. Great effort by the Eagles just didn't have enough in the 4th. They will be very good in the years to come.
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Post by bsports on Mar 11, 2017 11:09:35 GMT -5
How do you hold your head up competing against villages? What do they say to the opponent at the end of the game, "sorry"? I mean what did they really accomplish? Certainly not apples to apples. I mean St petes is not doing anything the other privates in the states aren't doing but fans of the game like me just go to fewer and fewer games every year due to the injustice. Gets old. Keep polishing those trophies!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 11:53:29 GMT -5
"Just win baby."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 11:55:27 GMT -5
St Pete pulled away in the 4th for the win 59-42. Great effort by the Eagles just didn't have enough recruits for the 4th. They will be very good in the years to come.
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Post by fbfan on Mar 12, 2017 7:15:14 GMT -5
CC's future looks bright, but St. Pete's is on another level. They are a fun team to watch. My biggest concern with St. Pete's is that they don't seem to have any depth. If they get into foul trouble against a really good team, it might get interesting. Recruiting budget was exhausted on the starters. St. Pete played all five starters the entire game until the last minute of the 4th. Great conditioning. Could be their downfall later in the tournament if they come up against someone that can run with them. CC did a decent job of slowing the game down except for a couple of 10 pt. runs which eventually did them in. CC returns 7 of the 8 players in their normal rotation. 5-11, 6-3, and 6-5 freshmen are the first three off the bench and all saw significant minutes. 6-2 CC freshman point guard Cam McCreary led all scorers with 19 pts. and played as well as anyone on the floor. Good job on your season Eagles. Keep working and learning. As for St. Petes, ........see you next year!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 8:38:39 GMT -5
Recruiting budget was exhausted on the starters. St. Pete played all five starters the entire game until the last minute of the 4th. Great conditioning. Could be their downfall later in the tournament if they come up against someone that can run with them. CC did a decent job of slowing the game down except for a couple of 10 pt. runs which eventually did them in. CC returns 7 of the 8 players in their normal rotation. 5-11, 6-3, and 6-5 freshmen are the first three off the bench and all saw significant minutes. 6-2 CC freshman point guard Cam McCreary led all scorers with 19 pts. and played as well as anyone on the floor. Good job on your season Eagles. Keep working and learning. As for St. Petes, ........see you next year! Couldn't you develop a good bench during the games you are bating teams by 20? I suppose it is hard to get career stats if you are on the bench.
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Post by malabar10 on Mar 12, 2017 15:12:40 GMT -5
5 starters from St.Pete's are 2 from Senior that didn't like current coach, a kid from Madison, coach's son, and not sure about Gurski. It's not like these kids came from Ashland, Shelby, Wooster, etc.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 12, 2017 15:53:09 GMT -5
The question is, where would the 2 players from Senior and the kid from Madison be if Jacubick didn't want to coach his son at a DIV school. Neither would be doing that much at a DI or DII private school in North East Ohio, where he was before coming to St.Pete with his son.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 19:29:46 GMT -5
5 starters from St.Pete's are 2 from Senior that didn't like current coach, a kid from Madison, coach's son, and not sure about Gurski. It's not like these kids came from Ashland, Shelby, Wooster, etc. Mansfield and Madison would have benefited from those kids. Obviously the coach in question knew his son had no chance to participate at the school he left.
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Post by wallacefan on Mar 12, 2017 21:09:00 GMT -5
5 starters from St.Pete's are 2 from Senior that didn't like current coach, a kid from Madison, coach's son, and not sure about Gurski. It's not like these kids came from Ashland, Shelby, Wooster, etc. Hmmmm.....That MSP Multiplier in the new competitive balance results should be interesting....hello D3. Basketball is a multiplier of 5..
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 12, 2017 21:26:25 GMT -5
With CC heading there also.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 21:30:53 GMT -5
5 starters from St.Pete's are 2 from Senior that didn't like current coach, a kid from Madison, coach's son, and not sure about Gurski. It's not like these kids came from Ashland, Shelby, Wooster, etc. Hmmmm.....That MSP Multiplier in the new competitive balance results should be interesting....hello D3. Basketball is a multiplier of 5.. Add 15-20 to MSP's number and they are still in D4.
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Post by galion on Mar 12, 2017 23:01:49 GMT -5
You guys keep forgetting that private schools can cap their enrollment numbers. The ones that are serious will still be able to game the system even with multipliers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 7:19:32 GMT -5
Everybody knows that but it doesn't change the comments above. At MSP's current number they would need about 10 boys on their high school rosters affected by the proposed multiplier to be placed in D3.
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Post by sweathog on Mar 13, 2017 8:04:18 GMT -5
Col Crawford Central Catholic can just start recruiting again for next year to try and keep up with St Pete!!!!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 13, 2017 15:07:29 GMT -5
Everybody knows that but it doesn't change the comments above. At MSP's current number they would need about 10 boys on their roster affected by the proposed multiplier to be placed in D3. Not just "their roster". The multiplier must look back to the 7th grade and must include players not only on the Varsity, but also the JV and Freshman teams.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 13, 2017 15:12:25 GMT -5
You guys keep forgetting that private schools can cap their enrollment numbers. The ones that are serious will still be able to game the system even with multipliers. The latest, not necessarily the last, enrollment numbers have SP with 66 and CCC with 110. When the multiplier is added, CC will be DIII, SP not likely. Which is a good thing for CC next year. Gives them a shot at a District Title. No shot in DIV with SP.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 15:42:57 GMT -5
You guys keep forgetting that private schools can cap their enrollment numbers. The ones that are serious will still be able to game the system even with multipliers. Many of the smaller schools like MSP may not be affected at all. As I said it would take a larger number to bump them up a division. Even if they carry 12 players on jv and 12 on varsity it would take almost half of them to factor in with the new multiplier to put them up.
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Post by wallacefan on Mar 13, 2017 17:56:11 GMT -5
You guys keep forgetting that private schools can cap their enrollment numbers. The ones that are serious will still be able to game the system even with multipliers. Many of the smaller schools like MSP may not be affected at all. As I said it would take a larger number to bump them up a division. Even if they carry 12 players on jv and 12 on varsity it would take almost half of them to factor in with the new multiplier to put them up. Dude, you don't understand how the multipliers work....or you have forgotten. Either way, that is wrong. Remember, the multipliers utilize a "Tier" system. Tier 0 = no additional points (student has been there since the FIRST week of 7th grade) Tier 1 = 1 additional point. (Student entered sometime during 7th & 8th grades) Tier 2= 10 additional points. (Student entered AFTER 1st week of 9th grade) The kid from Madison = 10 points. The kid from Mansfield Senior = 10 points. The other kid from Mansfield Senior = 10 points. And that is before you consider the other two starters....and the bench....and the JV. Divison 3 was only 109 last year....although that will go up with the multipliers. But MSP isn't that far off with THREE players. Think about the rest of the roster. Either way, you are right that they might not go up....but if they did their counts honestly, and those three guys transferred after ninth grade year, they are going to be close. And all that is before you discuss who they picked for their "feeder" school on the report.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 19:25:32 GMT -5
Many of the smaller schools like MSP may not be affected at all. As I said it would take a larger number to bump them up a division. Even if they carry 12 players on jv and 12 on varsity it would take almost half of them to factor in with the new multiplier to put them up. Dude, you don't understand how the multipliers work....or you have forgotten. Either way, that is wrong. Remember, the multipliers utilize a "Tier" system. Tier 0 = no additional points (student has been there since the FIRST week of 7th grade) Tier 1 = 5 additional points. (Student entered sometime during 7th & 8th grades) Tier 2= 10 additional points. (Student entered AFTER 1st week of 9th grade) The kid from Madison = 10 points. The kid from Mansfield Senior = 10 points. The other kid from Mansfield Senior = 10 points. And that is before you consider the other two starters....and the bench....and the JV. Divison 3 was only 109 last year....although that will go up with the multipliers. But MSP isn't that far off with THREE players. Think about the rest of the roster. Either way, you are right that they might not go up....but if they did their counts honestly, and those three guys transferred after ninth grade year, they are going to be close. And all that is before you discuss who they picked for their "feeder" school on the report. 10 seems a little high. I'm pretty sure the number is 5.
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Post by wallacefan on Mar 13, 2017 20:28:45 GMT -5
Dude, you don't understand how the multipliers work....or you have forgotten. Either way, that is wrong. Remember, the multipliers utilize a "Tier" system. Tier 0 = no additional points (student has been there since the FIRST week of 7th grade) Tier 1 = 5 additional points. (Student entered sometime during 7th & 8th grades) Tier 2= 10 additional points. (Student entered AFTER 1st week of 9th grade) The kid from Madison = 10 points. The kid from Mansfield Senior = 10 points. The other kid from Mansfield Senior = 10 points. And that is before you consider the other two starters....and the bench....and the JV. Divison 3 was only 109 last year....although that will go up with the multipliers. But MSP isn't that far off with THREE players. Think about the rest of the roster. Either way, you are right that they might not go up....but if they did their counts honestly, and those three guys transferred after ninth grade year, they are going to be close. And all that is before you discuss who they picked for their "feeder" school on the report. 10 seems a little high. I'm pretty sure the number is 5. It's not. It is 10. The only typo I made was with Tier One. It is corrected now. Eiither way, every kid who transferred to MSP after the start of 9th grade is going to be costly. which is the idea of the whole plan.
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Post by wallacefan on Mar 13, 2017 20:29:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 20:40:54 GMT -5
Where do you see the number 10 in any area of that report?
For basketball
Tier 0 = 0
Tier 1 = 1
Tier 2 = 5
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