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Post by footballfan on Feb 4, 2017 16:36:30 GMT -5
Bellevue 54 Norwalk 50 Final Norwalk blew an 11 point halftime lead... However good to hear Haraway back on the floor and getting into double figures in hos first game back... They blew it because Bellevue came out and played the second half the way they're capable and played tough defense! Very good win for Bellevue. As for the Haraway kid I wasn't impressed with his BS cockiness. For a good athlete to represent his town like he did I lost a lot of respect for him as a good athlete!!!! Very surprised the ref's didn't "T" him up for acting like a very un-sportsman like athlete. Lost total respect for the kid. Very surprised Grey didn't pull him out. He's a good athlete just play the game and show it on the court keep the cockiness and showing off for when you"re playing with your friends, and represent your town colors like a team athlete should!!!!
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 4, 2017 16:38:58 GMT -5
I shouldn't have used press. I should have said pressure. I'm ok with not pressing full court, but the half court man to man with trapping Shelby has used in the past few years would have worked, IMO.
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Post by quiz on Feb 4, 2017 20:40:53 GMT -5
Any update on Shelby boys at Clyde boys? The Clyde radio station doesn't seem to be carrying it.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 4, 2017 21:29:32 GMT -5
Bellevue 51 Margaretta 48 final
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 4, 2017 21:32:32 GMT -5
Shelby 87 Clyde 67 final
Sandusky 66 Perkins 56 final
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 4, 2017 22:11:07 GMT -5
I agree. They "stalled" too soon. I agree with being patient for a good shot and not forcing it, but it was too soon not to try to score. You only lose credibility if you always blame the refs. The fact is they influence the game sometimes. The ref at half court gave Ontario a timeout. The player was under the basket. He obviously didn't have possession because Shelby was shooting a put back before he was done blowing his wistle. No possession, no timeout. I realize that's only one play in a full game. My opinion is Ontario's ball handling is not as good this year. You're allowed to disagree. As far as how much I've seen them, not as much as you, but two games a year and until this summer multiple summer shoot arounds because until recently I had two boys separated by a year that played for Shelby. And they "stalled" at the wrong time. They had taken the lead, they had momentum, not the time to give up the momentum. Officials can "influence", but never on purpose, thus I never bring it up. If there was any "influence" last night it was in the disparity of fouls called. An obvious "influence". Which I would never have mentioned, if you had not broached the subject of "influence". The timeout issue you brought up is a VERY common occurrence in games. It is a rules issue. It used to be only players on the floor could ask for a timeout. Now coaches can also ask for a timeout. An official can be standing near a coach. The ball is at the other end of the court. The coach screams TIMEOUT. The official ALWAYS grants the timeout, it's a visceral reaction. All the officials I know, say the only way to solve the issue is to change the rule back and not allow coaches to call timeouts. It's not my opinion it's a fact. You said this Ontario team has the worst ball handling you've seen in the past 4-5 years. Last year, they had the same "ball handlers" they have this year. How do they get worse after a full year of experience? Using "summer shoot arounds" as a comparison of anything is MUCH worse than using scrimmages as a basis of comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:11:59 GMT -5
Huron 65 Willard 57 Final. 18-12 Willard after 1, 30-28 Huron at half, 45-37 Tigers after 3. Ugly display of sportsmanship by the Willard coach, He kept arguing everything and inciting the Willard fans with his demonstrative actions. Extra police had to be dispatched to the school because of him and antics. In the 2nd qtr. a Huron player was being targeted, Was thrown to the floor twice, once no call, 2nd time a intentional foul called. Both teams were warned. In the 3rd qtr. an offensive foul called on a Huron player going in for a layup, Willard player took the charge, his head hit the floor requiring stitches, Willard coach picked up a water bottle and threw it in the bench, No "T". In the 4th qtr., He did throw the game ball across the court into stands, upset with another call. Still no "T", Willard fans yelling, and threatening the refs, All of this by the coach's actions. Now this is the only game I've seen of this coach, Not sure what Willard schools sees in him, very unprofessional educator, tonight.
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Post by ronburgandy on Feb 4, 2017 22:23:36 GMT -5
Huron 65 Willard 57 Final. 18-12 Willard after 1, 30-28 Huron at half, 45-37 Tigers after 3. Ugly display of sportsmanship by the Willard coach, He kept arguing everything and inciting the Willard fans with his demonstrative actions. Extra police had to be dispatched to the school because of him and antics. In the 2nd qtr. a Huron player was being targeted, Was thrown to the floor twice, once no call, 2nd time a intentional foul called. Both teams were warned. In the 3rd qtr. an offensive foul called on a Huron player going in for a layup, Willard player took the charge, his head hit the floor requiring stitches, Willard coach picked up a water bottle and threw it in the bench, No "T". In the 4th qtr., He did throw the game ball across the court into stands, upset with another call. Still no "T", Willard fans yelling, and threatening the refs, All of this by the coach's actions. Now this is the only game I've seen of this coach, Not sure what Willard schools sees in him, very unprofessional educator, tonight. To anyone reading markmay's post, please know that this is a lot of false information and false accusations. It's unfortunate that someone is even writing like this because then people that weren't at the game think it's all true. I truly feel sorry for you that you wrote this as one sided as you did.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 4, 2017 22:25:18 GMT -5
Ontario 46, Clear Fork 43, an ugly game. Ontario made one 3-pointer, Clear Fork made several. Since their 3's weren't falling most of their offense was driving to the basket. They were fouled a lot by the shorter team. They had one of their better free throw shooting games of the year.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 4, 2017 22:33:05 GMT -5
Huron 65 Willard 57 Final. 18-12 Willard after 1, 30-28 Huron at half, 45-37 Tigers after 3. Ugly display of sportsmanship by the Willard coach, He kept arguing everything and inciting the Willard fans with his demonstrative actions. Extra police had to be dispatched to the school because of him and antics. In the 2nd qtr. a Huron player was being targeted, Was thrown to the floor twice, once no call, 2nd time a intentional foul called. Both teams were warned. In the 3rd qtr. an offensive foul called on a Huron player going in for a layup, Willard player took the charge, his head hit the floor requiring stitches, Willard coach picked up a water bottle and threw it in the bench, No "T". In the 4th qtr., He did throw the game ball across the court into stands, upset with another call. Still no "T", Willard fans yelling, and threatening the refs, All of this by the coach's actions. Now this is the only game I've seen of this coach, Not sure what Willard schools sees in him, very unprofessional educator, tonight. To anyone reading markmay's post, please know that this is a lot of false information and false accusations. It's unfortunate that someone is even writing like this because then people that weren't at the game think it's all true. I truly feel sorry for you that you wrote this as one sided as you did. What really happened? I've noticed Mr. May always has issues with games when he's disappointed with Huron's play. Or should I say when other teams play well against Huron for some inexplicable reason.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 4, 2017 22:33:48 GMT -5
Vermilion 56 Norwalk 35 fnal
Tiffin Columbian 55 New Riegel 43 final
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 4, 2017 22:37:08 GMT -5
I shouldn't have used press. I should have said pressure. I'm ok with not pressing full court, but the half court man to man with trapping Shelby has used in the past few years would have worked, IMO. Then "ball handling" wouldn't be an issue. One doesn't "ball handle" out of traps. Much easier for players 3-5 inches taller to throw over or around traps by 5-9 players with short arms. To other players 3-5 inches taller with longer arms and better leaping ability.
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Post by portwalk on Feb 4, 2017 22:38:16 GMT -5
Norwalk blew an 11 point halftime lead... However good to hear Haraway back on the floor and getting into double figures in hos first game back... They blew it because Bellevue came out and played the second half the way they're capable and played tough defense! Very good win for Bellevue. As for the Haraway kid I wasn't impressed with his BS cockiness. For a good athlete to represent his town like he did I lost a lot of respect for him as a good athlete!!!! Very surprised the ref's didn't "T" him up for acting like a very un-sportsman like athlete. Lost total respect for the kid. Very surprised Grey didn't pull him out. He's a good athlete just play the game and show it on the court keep the cockiness and showing off for when you"re playing with your friends, and represent your town colors like a team athlete should!!!! Lot's of hate for a 15/16 year old kid who for all his actions you detailed didn't even draw a technical.
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Post by runshoot on Feb 4, 2017 22:58:47 GMT -5
I was at huron Willard game. My take is this. Refs let things go early. Then try and call everything there after. They were not good. Willards coach had some reason to be on a short fuse. And so did huron coach. The extra police was called in because of fan being ejected but was allowed to go into locker room to tend to his sons injury. Nothing big.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:03:39 GMT -5
Okay, Willard played very well against Huron, Tigers may have been looking past them, And they did play bad. Both teams missed way too many fouls shots, Willard could have won it at the foul line. Huron could have pulled away at the foul line. We usually have 2 officers at at game, Never seen us need 5 officers, before for tonight, The extras came in at halftime. 2 times Tigers #12 gets gets thrown the floor, Flashes #5 returns late 4th with stitches above right eye. How did the ball go from Willard's bench (not being handed back to the official) across the gym into the stands on the opposite side ? What was the ongoing ruckus in the Willard section for ? Seemed like Flashes fans were always yelling about something.
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Post by runshoot on Feb 4, 2017 23:07:12 GMT -5
The huron policeman called in extra police because it was a but chippy. It was no big deal. Mark may. So what if they were yelling? Been a long season for them ok? Leave it be. They weren't causing any harm.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 4, 2017 23:07:58 GMT -5
Oh, and using Mr. Gurney as an argument that officiating in Columbus is political doesn't make your point. He was one of the best I've ever seen and he was a regular in Columbus. It may be political, but he isn't proof of that. My point was as bad as officiating has been in the last few years getting to Columbus would be easier than in the past. OH! I have no idea how you were so confused about my reason for mentioning Mr. Gurney. I'll try again. How can YOU expect to referee at the State Tournament by your 5th year of officiating when it took Mr. Gurney much longer than 5 years to get there? There are some politics involved in officiating at the State Tournament. It's easier if you worked in Columbus, Cincinnati or Cleveland area.
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Post by runshoot on Feb 4, 2017 23:18:36 GMT -5
Mark may. Did they punish the announcer from Thursday's game? I saw sports video controlling the mic tonight. ? Sure was crazy night of hoops
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Post by ronburgandy on Feb 4, 2017 23:28:03 GMT -5
Okay, Willard played very well against Huron, Tigers may have been looking past them, And they did play bad. Both teams missed way too many fouls shots, Willard could have won it at the foul line. Huron could have pulled away at the foul line. We usually have 2 officers at at game, Never seen us need 5 officers, before for tonight, The extras came in at halftime. 2 times Tigers #12 gets gets thrown the floor, Flashes #5 returns late 4th with stitches above right eye. How did the ball go from Willard's bench (not being handed back to the official) across the gym into the stands on the opposite side ? What was the ongoing ruckus in the Willard section for ? Seemed like Flashes fans were always yelling about something. Huron was 24-34 from free throw line. Pretty solid to me. #5 had no stitches, not sure what you were seeing. Only a band aid under his right eye from the elbow he took when he took the charge. If you watched the play during the timeout, you'd have seen the Willard assistant throw the ball toward the official on the other side of the court and he just watched it go by. Not really sure why. Like runshoot said, wasn't nearly as bad as your first post made it to seem and then make some really disturbing comments about the Willard coach, especially for seeing him the first time as you mentioned.
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Post by 43bigdogg on Feb 4, 2017 23:34:06 GMT -5
Okay, Willard played very well against Huron, Tigers may have been looking past them, And they did play bad. Both teams missed way too many fouls shots, Willard could have won it at the foul line. Huron could have pulled away at the foul line. We usually have 2 officers at at game, Never seen us need 5 officers, before for tonight, The extras came in at halftime. 2 times Tigers #12 gets gets thrown the floor, Flashes #5 returns late 4th with stitches above right eye. How did the ball go from Willard's bench (not being handed back to the official) across the gym into the stands on the opposite side ? What was the ongoing ruckus in the Willard section for ? Seemed like Flashes fans were always yelling about something. Huron was 24-34 from free throw line. Pretty solid to me. #5 had no stitches, not sure what you were seeing. Only a band aid under his right eye from the elbow he took when he took the charge. If you watched the play during the timeout, you'd have seen the Willard assistant throw the ball toward the official on the other side of the court and he just watched it go by. Not really sure why. Like runshoot said, wasn't nearly as bad as your first post made it to seem and then make some really disturbing comments about the Willard coach, especially for seeing him the first time as you mentioned.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 4, 2017 23:46:04 GMT -5
Do Willard and Huron have a rivalry or on going issues? When Willard played at Ontario a couple of weeks ago very few people and no students came to Ontario and it's 10 minutes closer than Huron.
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Post by ronburgandy on Feb 4, 2017 23:50:06 GMT -5
Do Willard and Huron have a rivalry or on going issues? When Willard played at Ontario a couple of weeks ago very few people and no students came to Ontario and it's 10 minutes closer than Huron. No issues at all or rivalry. It was just a heated, intense game. Both teams battled hard but the officials let it get away a little. markmay is blowing it way out of proportion.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 5, 2017 5:51:08 GMT -5
WF, I have no idea why you're so confused especially with my follow up post. My point in saying I should be able to get to Columbus within five year (which was hyperbole to make a point) was to make the point officiating is so much worse now than when Mr. Gurney was climbing through the ranks.
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Post by ScarletFever on Feb 5, 2017 13:55:01 GMT -5
It is,,You got Willard +10 for $250 with Portwalk I think you were the one that made that bet. I told everyone I'm not betting on any Flashes games until the 8th grade team sees the main floor.
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Post by ScarletFever on Feb 5, 2017 14:00:49 GMT -5
Do Willard and Huron have a rivalry or on going issues? When Willard played at Ontario a couple of weeks ago very few people and no students came to Ontario and it's 10 minutes closer than Huron. No issues at all or rivalry. It was just a heated, intense game. Both teams battled hard but the officials let it get away a little. markmay is blowing it way out of proportion. I didn't hear one thing about this game, not a peep so it seems like May's post was perhaps a script he was writing for Monday Night Raw.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 5, 2017 14:38:10 GMT -5
I have a rather large wager or should I say Dinners riding on the Willard Norwalk result.
Regarding the games in question,,Portwalk is tapped out in the funds dept. with that house he's building. He wasn't able to handle a small $250 wager---- so he's out .
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Post by portwalk on Feb 5, 2017 19:27:34 GMT -5
I have a rather large wager or should I say Dinners riding on the Willard Norwalk result. Regarding the games in question,,Portwslk is tapped out in the funds dept. with that house he's building. He wasn't able to handle a small $250 wager---- so he's out . Buckeye are you getting points when the Flashes come to Norwalk??? I was offering SF 10 per contest (TC, Madison, Norwalk) 1 down, 2 to go... With Norwalk's O I think (-10) might be too steep though... As for what you consider a "small" wager... with the NHS's team this season I wouldn't bet too much to win on any contest, maybe I would bet the under though...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 5, 2017 20:04:19 GMT -5
WF, I have no idea why you're so confused especially with my follow up post. My point in saying I should be able to get to Columbus within five year (which was hyperbole to make a point) was to make the point officiating is so much worse now than when Mr. Gurney was climbing through the ranks. The reason I don't deal in hyperbole. NOW a new official must officiate a required number of Jr. Hi., Freshman and/or JV games before getting a license to officiate varsity games.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 5, 2017 20:12:44 GMT -5
Yep, I bet you're a hoot at a party and I'm familiar with the process for officiating.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 5, 2017 20:15:45 GMT -5
Yep, I bet you're a hoot at a party and I'm familiar with the process for officiating. I don't drink, which keeps me from being the hoot at a party. Used to be an official could start right out doing varsity games.
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