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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 6, 2017 19:02:19 GMT -5
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Post by 1percenter on Feb 7, 2017 10:06:53 GMT -5
Post was edited to update the corrected numbers put out by the OHSAA
Lake 332 Tiffin Columbian 328 Norwalk 317 Sandusky 314 Clyde 267 Perkins 261 Bellevue
Bay 248 Shelby 241 Port Clinton 229 Vermilion 207 Huron 197 Edison 181 Oak Harbor
River 169 Willard 148 Lakota 119 Margaretta 61 SMCC 61 Tiffin Calvert 54 Fremont St Joe
No Football 65 Old Fort 37 New Riegel 32 Fostoria St Wendelin
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Post by gibby23 on Feb 7, 2017 11:12:55 GMT -5
Are these numbers compiled from the top three grades or top four grades?
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Post by kritz on Feb 7, 2017 11:43:47 GMT -5
It says 9, 10 and 11 in the article.
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Post by ronburgandy on Feb 7, 2017 11:44:02 GMT -5
Are these numbers compiled from the top three grades or top four grades? 9-11
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Post by gibby23 on Feb 7, 2017 12:36:11 GMT -5
Thank You kritz and ronburgandy.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 7, 2017 12:38:12 GMT -5
So...next year's 10-12. OHSAA only counts three grades because a lot of high schools are only 10-12.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 7, 2017 16:11:48 GMT -5
Before Divisions are finalized for team sports, these numbers will be adjusted upward for some schools, some higher than others. Based on the new OHSAA Competitive Balance Bylaw. Also, each team sport is judge separately.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Feb 7, 2017 16:41:41 GMT -5
If Davis Besse shuts down as rumored. Oak Harbor will be lucky to have 100 boy's by the next count. Port Clinton would take a hit from it too but Oak Harbor would get a knock out blow.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 7, 2017 19:35:54 GMT -5
Should have a better chance to stay open with a new President.
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Post by clydesbcfan on Feb 7, 2017 21:07:29 GMT -5
Competitive balance will be interesting For sure.
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 8, 2017 20:27:15 GMT -5
Sounds like there was an error with the numbers posted earlier this week. Accurate numbers will be released soon.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Feb 9, 2017 12:38:33 GMT -5
This league is destined to fail unless they can get to 24 football schools. That means 6 more schools that have football are needed. People are saying Gibsonburg and Hopewell-Loudon. That's 2, 4 more are needed I say go after Woodmore, Genoa, Firelands,and Keystone for the other 4.
Lake 330 Tiffin Columbian 314 Sandusky 297 Clyde 288 Norwalk 243 Perkins 232 Port Clinton 225 Bellevue 201 Vermilion
Bay 200 Firelands 196 Shelby 193 Keystone 186 Huron 172 Edison 156 Oak Harbor 156 Genoa 152 Willard
River 125 Lakota 120 Woodmore 106 Gibsonburg 100 Margaretta 96 Hopewell-Loudon 62 SMCC 60 Tiffin Calvert 57 Fremont St Joe
Thoughts?
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 9, 2017 13:46:09 GMT -5
From a Shelby perspective, adding Firelands and Keystone mean adding two more one hour drives. Genoa is 1hr 20min. Granted, Vermilion would no longer be in the same division. Overall, while it is just football this would happen, I don't think Shelby will tolerate much more going against their favor before looking fondly at the new MOAC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 14:19:24 GMT -5
Sure are a lot of team on that list with TBD for a enrollment number.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 14:20:56 GMT -5
From a Shelby perspective, adding Firelands and Keystone mean adding two more one hour drives. Genoa is 1hr 20min. Granted, Vermilion would no longer be in the same division. Overall, while it is just football this would happen, I don't think Shelby will tolerate much more going against their favor before looking fondly at the new MOAC. Shelby in the SBC for 1 year? Is that possible?
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Post by ronburgandy on Feb 9, 2017 14:26:20 GMT -5
From a Shelby perspective, adding Firelands and Keystone mean adding two more one hour drives. Genoa is 1hr 20min. Granted, Vermilion would no longer be in the same division. Overall, while it is just football this would happen, I don't think Shelby will tolerate much more going against their favor before looking fondly at the new MOAC. Shelby in the SBC for 1 year? Is that possible? Pretty sure all the schools have to stay in for at least 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 14:55:23 GMT -5
Shelby in the SBC for 1 year? Is that possible? Pretty sure all the schools have to stay in for at least 2 years. I think that is the normal but what is the penalty?
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Post by SportsNut on Feb 9, 2017 15:03:46 GMT -5
From a Shelby perspective, adding Firelands and Keystone mean adding two more one hour drives. Genoa is 1hr 20min. Granted, Vermilion would no longer be in the same division. Overall, while it is just football this would happen, I don't think Shelby will tolerate much more going against their favor before looking fondly at the new MOAC. Shelby in the SBC for 1 year? Is that possible? Shelby not going anywhere until Upper gets the boot from N10 and joins them in the 10 team MOAC...or the OCC comes calling
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 15:06:14 GMT -5
It does not sound like the N10 is going to give Upper any boot and the OCC has been calling. Maybe there is some truth to this.
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Post by SportsNut on Feb 9, 2017 15:23:38 GMT -5
It does not sound like the N10 is going to give Upper any boot and the OCC has been calling. Maybe there is some truth to this. The OCC doesn't need to call now...Shelby is a part of the SBC and will continue to be until Upper or some other school that the MOAC approves comes with them. MOAC wants Shelby but only if another school comes with them to form 10 team league. As for OCC, they had their chance to nab Shelby...and Shelby would have went due to avg drive time, but when push came to shove, WH was the lone "No" vote and the OCC wanted a unanimous vote.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 15:29:12 GMT -5
WH is holding out for the addition of Dover and New Phil. which is something that will not happen with a unanimous vote. Sometimes those chances come back around.
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 9, 2017 16:04:10 GMT -5
SportsNut is 100% accurate about Shelby and their options. They need a partner to make the MOAC work.
The goal of the SBC is to get to 8-8-8 for football. That's no secret. Gibsonburg makes it 6-6-7 or 6-7-6. Firelands and Keystone aren't going anywhere, especially since they are Lorain County/NE District schools. Vermilion is an Erie County school so the switch to the NW District made more sense.
The schools on the fringes are going to be pushed by the addition of any schools that are not in their areas. I really think the best option to get to 24 has always been 6-6-6-6 with a southern division. Shelby - Ontario - Lex - Madison - Clear Fork could have all been a good start.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 9, 2017 19:02:26 GMT -5
Ontario and Clear Fork will be in an 8 school LEAGUE, MUCH better than a 6 school division. Lex and Madison are in a 7 school LEAGUE, much better than a 6 school division.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 9, 2017 19:05:36 GMT -5
It does not sound like the N10 is going to give Upper any boot and the OCC has been calling. Maybe there is some truth to this. The OCC doesn't need to call now...Shelby is a part of the SBC and will continue to be until Upper or some other school that the MOAC approves comes with them. MOAC wants Shelby but only if another school comes with them to form 10 team league. As for OCC, they had their chance to nab Shelby...and Shelby would have went due to avg drive time, but when push came to shove, WH was the lone "No" vote and the OCC wanted a unanimous vote. I can't believe Shelby wanted to be by far the smallest school in a league that included 3 DI schools. They would go from being the furthest south school in the NEW SBC to the furthest North in the OCC. There are no DI schools in the SBC and Shelby is the 3rd largest in the current Bay division. In the proposed 24 school 3 division SBC Shelby is the largest school in their division.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 9, 2017 19:17:43 GMT -5
This league is destined to fail unless they can get to 24 football schools. That means 6 more schools that have football are needed. People are saying Gibsonburg and Hopewell-Loudon. That's 2, 4 more are needed I say go after Woodmore, Genoa, Firelands,and Keystone for the other 4. Lake 330 Tiffin Columbian 314 Sandusky 297 Clyde 288 Norwalk 243 Perkins 232 Port Clinton 225 Bellevue 201 Vermilion Bay 200 Firelands 196 Shelby 193 Keystone 186 Huron 172 Edison 156 Oak Harbor 156 Genoa 152 Willard River 125 Lakota 120 Woodmore 106 Gibsonburg 100 Margaretta 96 Hopewell-Loudon 62 SMCC 60 Tiffin Calvert 57 Fremont St Joe Thoughts? Vermilion would demand to be put in the Bay Division. Being put in the Lake division was a deal breaker for them originally joining the SBC. PC goes from being the largest school in the Bay Division to one of the smallest in the Lake Division. Weren't they looking to get away from Clyde and Perkins? Now they would ALSO have to deal with Norwalk, Sandusky and TC. Willard would be very disappointed being the smallest school in a league/division AGAIN. In the River Division they could see a .500 record. In the Bay they're looking at 0-10 seasons again. IMO, what you proffer would cause more problems and bad feelings than the current 6-6-6. IF 8-8-8 then why not 3 separate LEAGUES?? LEAGUE Titles are far better than division titles.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 21:50:19 GMT -5
King, all true. Shelby needs a partner to get in the MOAC but it does not look like Upper will need to move any time soon. The OCC had some promise and still may. With Shelby's rich tradition of sports they would be a good fit and be able to compete in about all sports. From the looks of the new numbers Lexington, Madison, Mansfield, Ashland and West Holmes could all be D2. I feel most in the league are looking at Wooster similar to the way the N10 is looking at Upper. In a year or two they will be back to a league competetive level.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Feb 9, 2017 22:11:31 GMT -5
Upper isn't leaving the N10 anytime soon especially since Ridgedale isn't going to play N10 football anytime soon. There has been rumblings that some MOAC schools would like Harding removed which would leave an opening for Shelby. That being said I don't know if they would do that or not. Adding another school with Shelby would be ideal but I don't know who that school would be at this time.
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Post by SportsNut on Feb 9, 2017 22:30:13 GMT -5
The OCC doesn't need to call now...Shelby is a part of the SBC and will continue to be until Upper or some other school that the MOAC approves comes with them. MOAC wants Shelby but only if another school comes with them to form 10 team league. As for OCC, they had their chance to nab Shelby...and Shelby would have went due to avg drive time, but when push came to shove, WH was the lone "No" vote and the OCC wanted a unanimous vote. I can't believe Shelby wanted to be by far the smallest school in a league that included 3 DI schools. They would go from being the furthest south school in the NEW SBC to the furthest North in the OCC. There are no DI schools in the SBC and Shelby is the 3rd largest in the current Bay division. In the proposed 24 school 3 division SBC Shelby is the largest school in their division. It was all about travel...avg drive time was way less than in SBC. Besides that, we compete with most OCC schools in most of the bigger sports most years even though OCC schools are larger.
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Post by Observer on Feb 9, 2017 23:45:59 GMT -5
Wouldn't Oak Harbor and Genoa objet to traveling to Keystone and Firelands?
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