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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 7, 2017 19:20:42 GMT -5
The New York State Legislature is considering banning anyone under the age of 14 from competing in tackle football.
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 7, 2017 20:32:23 GMT -5
These are the same type of people who eliminated dodge ball & recesses in grade schools and are proponents of certificates of participation in lieu of championship trophies.
So, what they are proposing is elimination of the sport of football in all middle schools and Jr. highs in the State of New York.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 7, 2017 22:48:27 GMT -5
yep, and younger of course
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Post by Buckeye2b on Feb 9, 2017 0:12:22 GMT -5
Maybe the NY state legislature should check in their jocks and see if they still own tallywhackers or if they are suffering from an intense case of vaginitis.... Good God, in my little area it was full contact football sans helmet, pads and mouthpiece. Not the smartest thing we ever did, but by God we had fun beating the hell out of each other and kicking extra points over the field goal posts painted on the side of our neighbors barn. Regulations like these which are drawn up to protect our children are also producing an entire generation of wusses because we are afraid our kids might get hurt. It makes me want to puke.
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 9, 2017 8:26:02 GMT -5
Lol......good take on this.
This is a classic example of lawmakers perpetuating the current decline of physical activity of today's generation of kids.
Let all of them sit at home all day in front of their smart phones, I-pads and computers, playing their silly games, while their bodies develop into soft and flabby blobs.
Quite the contrast from my youth, when in the summer break, got up early, had a good breakfast, grabbed my bat, ball, glove and basketball, got on my bike and headed for the local playground. Like most playgrounds in the era, they were teaming with kids. The ball diamonds were alive with baseball, softball and home run derby games.
Tackle football was usually organized by word of mouth and organized for get-togethers with the pigskin once a week. Can't recall anyone getting seriously hurt, beyond a bruise, contusion or grass burn.
Jogging, had not yet come into vogue. We did our running up and down the court, between bases or chasing down a fly ball.
Sitting inside all day, staring at a screen would be unthinkable.
Very sad, driving past parks, playgrounds and ballfields these days, they are empty, sad reminders of the decline of physical activity of today's youth.
The kids aren't entirely the blame. Well meaning adults have become the enablers of the degeneration generation.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 9, 2017 10:11:37 GMT -5
I am not in the party that believes that people banning tackle football are using the same rationale as banning dodgeball and giving participation trophies because "it's nice." There are not reams of data proving that dodgeball can cause substantial damage on adolescent brain development or what have you. There is a marked difference between wussifying America and making an attempt to prevent young teenagers from getting a few extra years of possibly getting a couple of those micro-concussions they have been warning us about. Listen, my elementary school (parochial, mind you) banned us from playing a few playground games at recess because we were too aggressive. We were kids though, we were more resilient than that. We found our ways to run around. We didn't resort to sitting on our hands wishing we could be playing our PlayStation or Xbox because we had our prior form of competition "legislated" out. It isn't like a 7th or 8th grader that loves football is going to give it up because he has to play flag football for a few more years. Hell, you may save a few kids from being burned out because they are sick of getting tackled for two years when they haven't hit puberty yet. And let's be honest with ourselves anyway, any kid who quits football because they can't tackle in 7th grade would have likely quit when they are a junior in high school because of something else not going their way.
Obviously, there is a trend towards kids sitting in front of a screen all day. That is a fact. I just don't believe that New York banning those under 14 years of age from playing tackle football is going to cause this mass migration of 12 and 13 year olds to quit football forever because they can't tackle yet. For a big swath of kids, that just means they have to wait until they are freshman in high school to play organized tackle football. That to me seems like something to look forward to as you go into high school, perhaps similar to how I felt when we got to play on the bigger, more spacious high school basketball court when we first played on the freshman basketball team.
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 9, 2017 10:59:17 GMT -5
Good perspectives shelbyrr11.
Let's not lose sight of the fact this is simply a piece of legislation that has yet to be acted upon in the state of New York, and will probably never come close to approval.
It's much to early to assume there is any semblance of a national trend to ban pre-highschool tackle football.
If in the distant future this does develop into a national trend, freshmen football would be the next likely target and natural progression would have high school football under the magnifying glass.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 9, 2017 12:37:24 GMT -5
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 9, 2017 13:21:25 GMT -5
Quite an interesting and revealing read. While the population of the age group only declined .6 % Combined participation in the four most-popular U.S. team sports—basketball, soccer, baseball and football—fell among boys and girls aged 6 through 17 by roughly 4% from 2008 to 2012. The following quote from this Maine physician underscores the necessity of aggressively encouraging grade schoolers to be involved in physical activities and competitive sports. William W. Dexter, a Maine physician who is president of the American College of Sports Medicine. "It is much more likely," he
says, "that someone who is active in their
childhood is going to remain active into their
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 9, 2017 23:52:46 GMT -5
Everything in life is a risk/benefit ratio. People die in car crashes every day yet most of us will drive to work tomorrow. We minimize risk by wearing seatbelts, driving sober, etc. IMO US society is getting soft. Everybody wines about PC language and things not being fair. What will government or someone else do for me. I need a pill to take away any discomfort I may feel. We let bullies take advantage of the weak. Football (and other sports) is one of the few ways left to teach our boys to be men. I learned teamwork, hard work, how to play with pain, putting someone or something ahead of myself. Did I bump my head a few times. Heck yes. I may have killed a few brain cells, but football doesn't have a monopoly on that (esp in my life). We can minimize risk. Make better equipment. Teach good techniques. If Ohio banned it (and it would only be in schools because that is what they control) I would have found a private club team for my boys to play for. That's what will happen in NY if they ban it. It will likely just punish kids who can't afford or have access to what will become a private industry that will exploit kids without regulations that exist currently. I'm not naive to what can happen. I friend of mine from high school who was a genius will never be the same after an episode of second impact syndrome that resulted in a life flight off the field followed by a coma. Doesn't change my mind. More teenage boys die from suicide than any other cause. You want to save/change lives? Start teaching kids about depression and leave football alone. We'll get way more return on our effort.
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Post by tommygunn on Feb 10, 2017 6:35:51 GMT -5
Banning football at these ages will be about as effective in NY as banning the Big Gulp.
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 10, 2017 6:44:12 GMT -5
Great comments and on the mark...Tommygun & fanofthegame
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Post by galion on Feb 10, 2017 13:54:39 GMT -5
Banning football at these ages will be about as effective in NY as banning the Big Gulp. There's absolutely no reason for for kids to be playing full contact tackle football before the 7th grade. |
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Post by sportsjock on Feb 10, 2017 15:10:13 GMT -5
Banning football at these ages will be about as effective in NY as banning the Big Gulp. There's absolutely no reason for for kids to be playing full contact tackle football before the 7th grade. Most high school coaches will agree with you and so do I. Flag football fills the bill in learning fundamentals of the game. |
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 10, 2017 18:08:11 GMT -5
Banning football at these ages will be about as effective in NY as banning the Big Gulp. There's absolutely no reason for for kids to be playing full contact tackle football before the 7th grade. Back that statement up with some facts. As it stands that's an opinion which you are entitled to. Head injuries from football are so low on the list of serious issues for junior high boys. The only reason we are talking about the issue is high profile NFL players just realized their brains might be scrambled. We love to fixate on famous people so we're fixating on their issue and projecting it on our children. We have to deal in fact not emotion. Yes kids get head injuries. Yes young brains are more fragile. Is the problem really that big? I think the jury is still out. There is evidence that soccer produces a significant number of head injuries as well. Where is the uproar? Silence because the USA and the media here doesn't really care about soccer. My point is we are paying attention, but because we need to or because the media is telling us we need to? Example. We have an entire month dedicated to breast cancer awareness. Do you know where that ranks in causes of cancer death in women...third behind lung and colon. Where is colon cancer awareness month. Boobs are flashy. We like them. The media can sell boobs. Poop cancer, not so much. Statistically, which should have its own month if you can only invest in one? Poop cancer. So here we are villainizing football to save poor young brains. With the info we have now I would say the risk of tackle football in junior high is lower than the benefits of what it teaches. |
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Post by Buckeye2b on Feb 10, 2017 19:19:48 GMT -5
I'm on board with fanofthegame. The lessons learned playing football and benefits I gained far outweighed any hurt I ever got from playing (and I got plenty, although certainly not as much as others I knew.) However, I do remember well that we were rewarded for hitting hard. On our particular line sled, if you broke a spring, you were rewarded with a chocolate shake.  I never got a chocolate shake, but lord knows I tried to hit that thing so hard, time and time again. I know later in life, that translated into some pretty solid hits, FWIW... |
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 10, 2017 21:24:53 GMT -5
I feel that 5th.& 6th. grade tackle football is alright IF and I mean IF it is coached right. I watch that program Friday Night Tikes and those kids were being coached by dads who are trying to live their past lives though their kids and they are not teaching them the right way to block or tackle. In most cases fathers should not be coaching their kids unless they have taken classes or by the coaches at their high school. If this is done than there will be less injuries in this sport.  |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 10, 2017 22:55:12 GMT -5
Most 5-6 grade tackle leagues have a weight limit. Do you want a fast 200 pound 6th grader tackling or running over your 80 pound son?
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Post by galion on Feb 11, 2017 4:36:55 GMT -5
There's absolutely no reason for for kids to be playing full contact tackle football before the 7th grade. Back that statement up with some facts. As it stands that's an opinion which you are entitled to. Head injuries from football are so low on the list of serious issues for junior high boys. The only reason we are talking about the issue is high profile NFL players just realized their brains might be scrambled. We love to fixate on famous people so we're fixating on their issue and projecting it on our children. We have to deal in fact not emotion. Yes kids get head injuries. Yes young brains are more fragile. Is the problem really that big? I think the jury is still out. There is evidence that soccer produces a significant number of head injuries as well. Where is the uproar? Silence because the USA and the media here doesn't really care about soccer. My point is we are paying attention, but because we need to or because the media is telling us we need to? Example. We have an entire month dedicated to breast cancer awareness. Do you know where that ranks in causes of cancer death in women...third behind lung and colon. Where is colon cancer awareness month. Boobs are flashy. We like them. The media can sell boobs. Poop cancer, not so much. Statistically, which should have its own month if you can only invest in one? Poop cancer. So here we are villainizing football to save poor young brains. With the info we have now I would say the risk of tackle football in junior high is lower than the benefits of what it teaches. I said BEFORE 7th grade. I believe that 7th grade would constitute JR HIGH. |
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Post by tommygunn on Feb 11, 2017 10:06:24 GMT -5
My son told me of a kid that got a concussion.......on the playground playing kickball. Not one of his teammates nor anyone on the other 7 teams he played against in 5th grade football got a concussion per their end of the season report. Ban kickball.
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Post by tommygunn on Feb 11, 2017 10:07:27 GMT -5
Most 5-6 grade tackle leagues have a weight limit. Do you want a fast 200 pound 6th grader tackling or running over your 80 pound son? Fast 200 lb 6th grader? Lol, just keep making up stuff to fill your pussy socks. I have watched plenty of pee wee football and have yet to see a fast 200lb kid at that level. Ever single "big kid" is slow as a dog turd and is on the line. |
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Post by tommygunn on Feb 11, 2017 10:11:14 GMT -5
Here is an idea. If you pansy parents do not want your kid to play, then don't let him play, but don't tell other parents what they should be doing with their children.
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Post by tommygunn on Feb 11, 2017 10:12:26 GMT -5
Banning football at these ages will be about as effective in NY as banning the Big Gulp. There's absolutely no reason for for kids to be playing full contact tackle football before the 7th grade. In your pussy world, maybe not. My son enjoyed it very much and never got a concussion. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 11, 2017 11:23:48 GMT -5
My son told me of a kid that got a concussion.......on the playground playing kickball. Not one of his teammates nor anyone on the other 7 teams he played against in 5th grade football got a concussion per their end of the season report. Ban kickball. Supply head gear for kickball? |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 11, 2017 12:18:08 GMT -5
In any of your concussions did you lose consciousness?
For me, one in football that I recall because it was so serious. Who knows how many lesser ones I had. I was a Freshman playing varsity. A helmet to helmet tackle by me. Before the days of ambulances at games. I came to on the sideline with my father kneeling beside me. I'd been out cold for 5 minutes. My parents took me to the hospital. I was kept over night for "observation". I was back at practice on Monday.
My 2nd severe one was in a car accident. I was unconscious during the process of them removing the door, cutting off a portion of the roof, cutting off my clothes to get me out of the car and putting me on a helicopter. Don't really know when I came to. To this day, I don't remember anything about the wreck, nor 3 days before the wreck or 3 days after the wreck. A therapist did tell me that I had short term memory loss. Twenty years later I now have difficulty remembering names of people I've known for years.
I do know that some intelligent NFL players, that make A LOT of money, are being more judicious spending it. Planning to retire before the normal end of their career. Getting out before damaging too many brain cells. That began when they were in Jr. Hi. They were all the biggest fastest hardest hitters since they statted playing tackle football. The smaller slower kids had MUCH shorter football careers.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 11, 2017 12:26:43 GMT -5
CEO, you're a great example of how we'll never have a definitive answer. You, most likely, represent an outlier. Studies on molecules, materials, etc. are easier because controlling the study is easier. Humans are much harder to control for. There are inborn brain defects that influence the movement of cerebrospinal fluid. These can be sub-clinical, meaning you can live your whole life oblivious to the defect. Might that influence your concussion risk? That's possible. Should those individuals, like sickle cell trait players, be restricted? For those of you not aware you can be sickle trait (not full blown disease) and you're not allowed to play in Denver because you can go into sickle crisis. I'm not saying football is for everyone. If you're in the 8th grade and have had 2-4 concussions you may need to rethink football. Is football all the sudden this big monster that needs banned? Absolutely not. Should we be advancing our knowledge so the next generation can learn what the game has to offer safely? Absolutely yes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 14:22:23 GMT -5
Just eliminate recess time, K.- 8th grade. Let's use that time frame for kids to play with their cell phones or play video games, So no kids can get hurt, other than their precious feelings for loosing an Xbox, or Play station game. In our days growing up, our education continued outside in our neighborhood yards, before and after school, We were very creative, We tried to parachute off garage roofs with our bed sheets (that didn't work), Made ramps to jump over things on our bikes, and played backyard sports, We did not get hurt. Today, you rarely see a yard full of kids playing or being creative together.
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Post by CEOSouth on Feb 11, 2017 15:23:24 GMT -5
Just eliminate recess time, K.- 8th grade. Let's use that time frame for kids to play with their cell phones or play video games, So no kids can get hurt, other than their precious feelings for loosing an Xbox, or Play station game. In our days growing up, our education continued outside in our neighborhood yards, before and after school, We were very creative, We tried to parachute off garage roofs with our bed sheets (that didn't work), Made ramps to jump over things on our bikes, and played backyard sports, We did not get hurt. Today, you rarely see a yard full of kids playing or being creative together. Unfortunately, as technology and we, as a species advance, I think those days of playing in the backyard are diminishing and won't be back. It's just a smaller effect of a larger movement towards computers. You've got one body. It is the most precious thing you possess. Without it, nothing else matters. Why risk injury and death playing football when you can 'play' football? The rise in esports is only the beginning. On a larger scale, why risk going to the grocery store when you can send a drone?I can envision a future where people are holed up at home, minimally leaving the safety of their house because the risk is too high and need doesn't dictate leaving the house; a future where the best physical athlete/soldier etc is replaced by the best person at controlling a computer. That's where it's headed, human/CPU integration. Sorry to derail the topic slightly, but if you have time, check out this article on AI. It's a little long(2 parts) and unnerving, but a good read. waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html |
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 11, 2017 15:38:41 GMT -5
It's a darn shame, IMO. I chose a profession that has a documented shorter life span (not as short as a professional football player), but what I've gotten to experience and the difference I've been able to make is worth a couple of years. In the end I believe it is about quality not quantity. I'm going to wring every last drop out of the time I have. I'm not sure I want to sit at home and live a 100 + year virtual life.
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Post by galion on Feb 11, 2017 22:22:11 GMT -5
There's absolutely no reason for for kids to be playing full contact tackle football before the 7th grade. In your pussy world, maybe not. My son enjoyed it very much and never got a concussion. Not MY pussy world. Ask the teams in the MAAC. You know, that conference in Western Ohio that routinely has 3 teams playing for state championships every year. None of their programs have a youth tackle football program, nor do they want any. It certainly hasn't done a damn thing for Willard football or Galion for that matter so show me the risk/reward for it. |
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