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Post by portwalk on Feb 25, 2017 20:28:22 GMT -5
OHSAA tournament records 2014-2017 (During Ontario's NOL tenure)
Norwalk 9-2 Sandusky 6-3 Ontario 4-3
By the way if the 2017 Warriors actually win a District title where will they rank on your list Of Warriors teams???
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Post by bsports on Feb 25, 2017 20:45:49 GMT -5
Can't argue with the regular season success that's for sure. And yes, WF, Lex and Ontario have been successful for years. Speaking of history, who was the Ontario player believe his name was Benji? Great scorer but drawing a blank on his last name.
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Post by ronburgandy on Feb 25, 2017 21:05:32 GMT -5
Benji Hall
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 25, 2017 21:13:54 GMT -5
Edison 58 Bellevue 53 final
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2017 0:51:14 GMT -5
OHSAA tournament records 2014-2017 (During Ontario's NOL tenure) Norwalk 9-2 Sandusky 6-3 Ontario 4-3 By the way if the 2017 Warriors actually win a District title where will they rank on your list Of Warriors teams??? By the way, how many of those Norwalk wins came when they did not have TWO Div.1 caliber players on their roster? During Ontario's 4 years in the NOL Sandusky has had a Div.1 player, who stated all 4 years. Ontario hasn't had a single Div.3 player in those 4 years. In his 32 years Balogh has only had ONE Div.1 player and the only reason that was is due to him being 6-9 245. Balogh has gotten more out of less, than most coaches. If Vermilion, Lexington and Sandusky all lose starters to injuries, then giving Ontario an outside chance for a District Title......there will still have been 12 Balogh teams with a higher winning %. As I've said, at this point, this team is barely above average by Balogh standards.
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Post by portwalk on Feb 26, 2017 8:01:32 GMT -5
Hopefully Joe nor the Ontario players feel the way you do... You act as if Sandusky, Vermillion and Lexington are the GS Warriors... Other than Sandusky I would almost favor the Warriors against the other two. You always come back to the D1 thing which I can name MANY successful D2 OHSAA teams without a D1 playerand also many kids that didn't play D1 basketball. Ontario just has to get the monkey off it's back
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2017 13:33:43 GMT -5
port, there you go again with your huge exaggerations. I don't exaggerate, I'm realistic. I too can name many schools with Div.1 players. But didn't YOU make this discussion about the Big NOL/Big Norwalk/Big Sandusky/and little Ontario? I forgot to tell you what Joe's definition of a successful season is; Win a League Title and win games in the tournament until you come up against a better team. An upset is great for an additional win, but again, be realistic. Thus, Ontario can't have a successful season this year since they didn't win a League Title. Unless they have a miracle tournament run. Ontario just has to get you off it's[sic] back.
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Post by marchmadness on Feb 26, 2017 14:13:49 GMT -5
I am new around here but I believe this is where (if the shoe was on the other foot) Willard Fillmore would say LIAR. Brandon Wagner played for Ontario during the last four years and he is playing at D2 Ashland University.
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Post by 94hoops on Feb 27, 2017 9:16:59 GMT -5
Why wouldn't they play to win?!?! Shelby has a nice team. Kinda sounds like a excuse for getting beat. Get the bad one out now sense it means nothing and play hard from here on out. Keith Williams did not play who is the best all around player in the NOL. If he plays, I am sure the outcome is different but congrats to Shelby on the win. I agree........had Keith Williams played Sandusky wouldn't have lost by double digits. Shelby probably would have won by 4-6 points instead.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 10:34:05 GMT -5
Shelby has had a number of close losses at home. If a team plays there and is not 100% for any reason, you'd have to give Shelby the edge.
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Post by portwalk on Feb 27, 2017 20:47:47 GMT -5
port, there you go again with your huge exaggerations. I don't exaggerate, I'm realistic. I too can name many schools with Div.1 players. But didn't YOU make this discussion about the Big NOL/Big Norwalk/Big Sandusky/and little Ontario? I forgot to tell you what Joe's definition of a successful season is; Win a League Title and win games in the tournament until you come up against a better team. An upset is great for an additional win, but again, be realistic. Thus, Ontario can't have a successful season this year since they didn't win a League Title. Unless they have a miracle tournament run. Ontario just has to get you off it's[sic] back. Not sure what I exaggerated about??? No I just commented about you acting like OHS is the Willard of the 80's over the 4 years in the NOL. If a league title and to win games against teams you on paper are better than, Joe gets it done. No idea what you would consider a MIRACLE run. District championship in D2??? I believe OHS has a legit chance to get it done Go OHS Go NOL one more year...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 27, 2017 23:50:24 GMT -5
Exaggeration = "You act as if Sandusky, Vermilion and Lexington are the GS Warriors." One of THE biggest I ever heard.
How is a summarization of the last 4 years of NOL basketball ANYTHING like Willard's history in the NOL??? What was untrue in the summarization?
What I said is Joe's goal for his team every year is very logical. How many coaches truly set a goal of a winning a league title every year? Joe did all 4 years in the NOL, 3 out of 4 ain't bad. Especially when Ontario wasn't supposed to be able to compete in the NOL, right? Then, winning every tournament game until you play a better team is reasonable. That could mean a State Title or a Sectional Title. You winning in an upset is nice, but should not be expected. How often should back to back to back upsets in the tournament be a reality? Give us a list of the many coaches that you know who has multiple upsets EVERY year in the tournament.
What has Coach Gray's goals for his teams been these past 3 years?
The "Miracle on Ice" only took one upset. What would you call 3 upsets in a row in the tournament? Name the last time a coach around here had 3 upsets in a row? You are aware of the seeds aren't you? Or are you calling the coaches in that seeding meeting stupid?
Have you noticed I've answered EVERY question you've asked me AND you've answered NONE of the questions I asked you? Why is that?? Should I make a list for you or will you be man enough to answer them without being reminded? Don't call that being mad. It's just that respect is a 2 way street. I respected you.
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Post by tommygunn on Feb 28, 2017 7:17:09 GMT -5
Ontario picked the right time to join the NOL. Probably the least overall quality teams in the forty some years I've known of. With the exception of this season (Sandusky) and the Norwalk season they were the best team in the league. Lexington would have done the same thing in the NOL had they joined instead. Those two programs have known some good success lately. When little Ontario from the itsy bitsy NCC joined the big bad NOL, 90% of NOLers said they would never be able to compete in the NOL. "some good success" for Lex and Ontario hasn't been just "lately". The NOL has been a fraction of what it use to be and never will be again for well over 10 years. They have tried to shuffle teams in and out of this league to make it relevant again without success. Winning an NOL title holds next to no clout these days.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 7:37:00 GMT -5
port, there you go again with your huge exaggerations. I don't exaggerate, I'm realistic. I too can name many schools with Div.1 players. But didn't YOU make this discussion about the Big NOL/Big Norwalk/Big Sandusky/and little Ontario? I forgot to tell you what Joe's definition of a successful season is; Win a League Title and win games in the tournament until you come up against a better team. An upset is great for an additional win, but again, be realistic. Thus, Ontario can't have a successful season this year since they didn't win a League Title. Unless they have a miracle tournament run. Ontario just has to get you off it's[sic] back. Not sure what I exaggerated about??? No I just commented about you acting like OHS is the Willard of the 80's over the 4 years in the NOL. If a league title and to win games against teams you on paper are better than, Joe gets it done. No idea what you would consider a MIRACLE run. District championship in D2??? I believe OHS has a legit chance to get it done Go OHS Go NOL one more year... Port, the build up is always there from some. Many Ontario fans see themselves as a small rural school and comment like playing in the NOL was a grand task. Remeber where they came from being the much larger school in the NCC and they were okay with that. Until their teams are seen as they are instead of as an overachieving small school playing much larger opponents, there will always be justification for their losses.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 28, 2017 13:58:55 GMT -5
What is a "build up"??
The "grand task" of playing in the NOL came from other NOL schools, not Ontario. Balogh, his coaches and players took it as a challenge. Knowing to be successful in the NOL they would have to raise there "game" to another level. The coaches had to work harder and coach harder. They had to convince the players that they would have to work harder. THEN the players would have to follow through and work even more on their games in the off season.
Ontario was "OK with playing in the NCC", since there was no other league that wanted or needed them, until the 6 NCC schools left them AND at the same time the NOL needed another member.
Ontario hasn't had to "justify" many NOL loses, just 5 in 4 years. What was the "justification" by others for Ontario's 51 wins? The ONLY "justification" needed for losses is when you lose to a lesser team.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 28, 2017 14:04:54 GMT -5
When little Ontario from the itsy bitsy NCC joined the big bad NOL, 90% of NOLers said they would never be able to compete in the NOL. "some good success" for Lex and Ontario hasn't been just "lately". The NOL has been a fraction of what it use to be and never will be again for well over 10 years. Another DUH moment by tommy. This is THE LAST YEAR for the NOL.
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Post by tommygunn on Mar 2, 2017 7:50:12 GMT -5
Which furthers my point, the NOL means nothing anymore. Teams from around the state use to fear teams coming out of the NOL during the tourney. Not so much. Glad to see the NOL fade away.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 2, 2017 19:19:40 GMT -5
Furthers your point? LOL
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