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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 13, 2017 13:09:38 GMT -5
Kizer has been replaced as the starter by Kevin Hogan. According to Hue Jackson, Kizer has regressed in recent weeks. I never thought he ever "gressed". Kizer leads the league with 9 INTs in the Red Zone. I thought Hogan looked better than Kizer in the preseason, but you can't start a nobody over your latest highest drafted QB.
What QB do the Browns select in the next draft?? It won't be in the 1st round as the 2 headed monster in the front office will postulate that there is not a QB who is 1st round worthy. Maybe JT? Who has a higher QB rating than Donald.[Sarcasm] Just so no one has an aneurysm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 19:01:21 GMT -5
Kizer has been replaced as the starter by Kevin Hogan. According to Hue Jackson, Kizer has regressed in recent weeks. I never thought he ever "gressed". Kizer leads the league with 9 INTs in the Red Zone. I thought Hogan looked better than Kizer in the preseason, but you can't start a nobody over your latest highest drafted QB. What QB do the Browns select in the next draft?? It won't be in the 1st round as the 2 headed monster in the front office will postulate that there is not a QB who is 1st round worthy. Maybe JT? Who has a higher QB rating than Donald.[Sarcasm] Just so no one has an aneurysm. he has 4 int's in the red zone, 9 int's total
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 13, 2017 19:14:30 GMT -5
Mansfield NJ gets it wrong again.
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Post by tommygunn on Oct 13, 2017 21:34:55 GMT -5
Worst team in the last 20 years. No closer to a winning season than last year. Actually look like they are regressing.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 15, 2017 8:42:18 GMT -5
rofl WHERE IS CODY KESSLER HUGE ACTION? YOU TOLD ME TO TRUST YOU!
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Post by cbus on Oct 16, 2017 17:35:04 GMT -5
Hey Torch, Did you see CBS and ATT settled? The Browns will be back on TV in Columbus.
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Post by mcm1019 on Oct 16, 2017 18:33:32 GMT -5
Poor bastards! Lol.
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Post by quiz on Oct 22, 2017 15:39:43 GMT -5
It is really really really painful to watch the Browns. All teams have to do is put a lot of pressure on whoever is at QB. Joe Thomas's streak of consecutive snaps came to an end. Kizer is a nonfactor. Just by their body language you can see the Browns expect to lose every game which they will do...my prediction.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 23, 2017 9:37:55 GMT -5
Hey Torch, Did you see CBS and ATT settled? The Browns will be back on TV in Columbus. the bastards!
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Post by quiz on Oct 23, 2017 15:31:13 GMT -5
Hurry, sign Colin Kaepernick because none of the present QBs are worth anything.
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Post by heresjim on Oct 23, 2017 15:46:40 GMT -5
Hurry, sign Colin Kaepernick because none of the present QBs are worth anything. Lol, no reason to even try to compete at this point. Embrace the tank and get another 1st pick. I think this front office is more competent than the average Browns one so let us continue to build on the talent we still have. The defense hasn't looked half bad during the season, so all it would take is a good offensive draft to get the team kickstarted. Granted we might also need to see a change in coaching once again to ensure that happens...
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 23, 2017 17:20:25 GMT -5
The same front office that gave Kenny Britt a ton of money? Yikes. At least they drafted Coleman?
We traded off Carson Wentz to draft a WR. From Baylor. Josh Gordon's alma mater. And they hired Huge Action, a guy with no head coaching experience.
You like these moves?
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Post by heresjim on Oct 23, 2017 17:49:45 GMT -5
The same front office that gave Kenny Britt a ton of money? Yikes. At least they drafted Coleman? We traded off Carson Wentz to draft a WR. From Baylor. Josh Gordon's alma mater. And they hired Huge Action, a guy with no head coaching experience. You like these moves? Did you see any red flags when we brought in Kenny Britt? I thought most people thought that it was a pretty good move when we made it. Hindsight is 20/20. Also, who cares that we spent a little extra money; WE HAVE SOME OF THE MOST CAP SPACE IN THE NFL. If we were cap space hell, I would be mad, but right now, it doesn't even matter. You really think Carson Wentz was going to succeed on last year's team??? He would have been ruined just like every other Browns QB with the atrocious line we had then/now. We need another year to get weapons and lineman so that we can give whatever rookie qb we pick a fighting chance. The reason why we traded down was to accumulate more picks. We have 2 first round picks and 3 2nd round picks coming up in the 2018 draft due to us trading down. Plus we haven't outright drafted busts yet like the Farmer administration. On Hugh Jackson, who was the alternative for us to hire? Also, Hugh Jackson was a head coach at Oakland who later became the offensive coordinator at Cincinnati. Made Andy Dalton look like a superstar. In addition, Greg Williams hasn't been half bad considering our defense is ranked top 10 in the league. I'm not saying our front office is perfect, but god, it is a lot better than it could be.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 24, 2017 11:43:33 GMT -5
Huge Action was summarily fired as HC of the Raiders when he flipped his script and thought he was the de facto owner after Al Davis died. I'm a Raiders fan, I know all about Huge Action. So you are in favor of passing on good QBs because we suck? Is that why we passed on DeShaun Watson? And Dak Prescott? Not sure I get that one, but to each his own. I guess Coleman was going to help us get good enough to draft a franchise QB? Last time we had (2) 1st round picks we drafted Gilbert and Manziel. Eeps. Cody Kessler was a 3rd round pick, a high 3rd round pick. I must have missed the years Dalton looked like a superstar I guess, unless that was in the CFL or something. He's always been a very mediocre to terrible QB who got bailed out by having a great WR corps that is no longer great. This front office is awful. How in the world do you take a 1-15 team AND MAKE IT WORSE? ? Because that is what they have done.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 24, 2017 11:44:02 GMT -5
and yes there were red flags to Kenny Britt, it's called HIS ENTIRE CAREER
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Post by heresjim on Oct 24, 2017 14:18:37 GMT -5
Huge Action was summarily fired as HC of the Raiders when he flipped his script and thought he was the de facto owner after Al Davis died. I'm a Raiders fan, I know all about Huge Action. So you are in favor of passing on good QBs because we suck? Is that why we passed on DeShaun Watson? And Dak Prescott? Not sure I get that one, but to each his own. I guess Coleman was going to help us get good enough to draft a franchise QB? Last time we had (2) 1st round picks we drafted Gilbert and Manziel. Eeps. Cody Kessler was a 3rd round pick, a high 3rd round pick. I must have missed the years Dalton looked like a superstar I guess, unless that was in the CFL or something. He's always been a very mediocre to terrible QB who got bailed out by having a great WR corps that is no longer great. This front office is awful. How in the world do you take a 1-15 team AND MAKE IT WORSE? ? Because that is what they have done. Do you think any qb that we could have drafted last year could have succeeded with the team that we had? Or would that qb have suffered just like everybody else and end up like a bust? I bet if we had drafted Wentz, he would have busted on this team, and you would likely blame that on our front office too. Dak Prescott got passed by every team in the NFL in the first 3 rounds so I hardly see that as being an obvious miss on the front office. Also, why would you bring up picks that a different front office made to predict how the current front office will draft? Andy Dalton had a passer rating over 100 during his last year with Hue, and it would have been his best if he had played every game. If you look at the stat line for 2015, he was considered a top 5 qb after week 1-13. Do you think this defense is worse than last years? The offense is atrocious (and I will admit that Hue should have some accountability) but surely you can't say this team is worse all around? Also is this our front offices fault or our coaches? I feel like our offense is so bad due to how Hue runs it(and how we have holes at most positions). However, in terms of players, look at how good our front 7 is shaping up. Look at the gem we found in Jason McCourty. Even though the O line pickups arn't doing as well, our front office was highly praised for bringing what looked like very solid players. Surely you weren't yelling at them then. The players that we have drafted have least contributed unlike many of the high picks of the Farmer administration. The Kenny Britt decision made sense. We had no weapons at wide receiver and he had just come off a 1000 yard year. We had tons of cap space, so even though he isn't panning out, it doesn't hurt us at all financially. It wasn't like there were many other options. We tried for Maclin and Decker, just couldn't get them here.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 24, 2017 16:08:18 GMT -5
1. YOU DON'T PASS ON GOOD QB PROSPECTS IN THE NFL DRAFT. Especially when you suck, because when you're decent to good you never get close enough to sniff one in the draft. If you can't get a legit pro-QB drafting 1-3 how in the world are you gonna "mine the gold" and get one in the 15-20's or 2-3rd round? The Browns decision to not draft Wentz looks bad, but what is even worse is that they had him rated as a not-top-20 QB. That is just terrible evaluation. Us passing on Preskott is WORSE than the other teams BECAUSE WE NEED A QB SO BADLY! We drafted Cody Kessler for goodness sake.
2. Because it's the same owner and they didn't fire the whole building. There are still people involved in that draft working for Haslem.
3. Andy Dalton throws to AJ Green, he should be able to throw the ball left-handed and have a rating of 100. He has never won a playoff game. And didn't he lose to Case Keenum of TJ Yates one year? Good gravy. Huge Action was the clown coach of the Raiders who traded (2) #1 picks for an aging Carson Palmer then promptly missed the playoffs. This is the guy I trust to evaluate my QBs? Why?
4. Kenny Britt has been a wreck wherever he has been. Who cares about a single season? And this isn't 1985, 1000 yards don't mean what it used to. Britt has a history of off the field issues and knee reconstructions.
5. Last point you made I will sort of agree with. The D has looked good, and Garrett has looked good. But Greg Williams has always run a good defense, and he has again this year. And the Browns fell into Garrett, he was a clear #1 imho, and thank goodness he is looking the part. I can't give the Browns much credit for drafting him tho. I personally wanted Fournette but Garrett has impressed me a bit.
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Post by heresjim on Oct 24, 2017 18:39:12 GMT -5
1. YOU DON'T PASS ON GOOD QB PROSPECTS IN THE NFL DRAFT. Especially when you suck, because when you're decent to good you never get close enough to sniff one in the draft. If you can't get a legit pro-QB drafting 1-3 how in the world are you gonna "mine the gold" and get one in the 15-20's or 2-3rd round? The Browns decision to not draft Wentz looks bad, but what is even worse is that they had him rated as a not-top-20 QB. That is just terrible evaluation. Us passing on Preskott is WORSE than the other teams BECAUSE WE NEED A QB SO BADLY! We drafted Cody Kessler for goodness sake. 2. Because it's the same owner and they didn't fire the whole building. There are still people involved in that draft working for Haslem. 3. Andy Dalton throws to AJ Green, he should be able to throw the ball left-handed and have a rating of 100. He has never won a playoff game. And didn't he lose to Case Keenum of TJ Yates one year? Good gravy. Huge Action was the clown coach of the Raiders who traded (2) #1 picks for an aging Carson Palmer then promptly missed the playoffs. This is the guy I trust to evaluate my QBs? Why? 4. Kenny Britt has been a wreck wherever he has been. Who cares about a single season? And this isn't 1985, 1000 yards don't mean what it used to. Britt has a history of off the field issues and knee reconstructions. 5. Last point you made I will sort of agree with. The D has looked good, and Garrett has looked good. But Greg Williams has always run a good defense, and he has again this year. And the Browns fell into Garrett, he was a clear #1 imho, and thank goodness he is looking the part. I can't give the Browns much credit for drafting him tho. I personally wanted Fournette but Garrett has impressed me a bit. /photo/1 1. Derek Carr ring a bell? Deshaun Watson? Dak Prescott? Kirk Cousins? There are great qbs out there that you can get later than the first 3 picks. Yea we missed out on Dak, but again, we weren't the only QB needy team to do so. The Texans needed a qb really bad last year and they missed him too. Do you think Texans fans are mad at their front office now? Our front office is in its second year (first during the 2016 draft) and we apparently expect them to be perfect evaluators of talent. I think that is unreasonable (at least in the very first years), and I personally believe that this office is lights years better than what we had before. We at least got a haul of picks in return at the very least. Not like we traded down for nothing. 2. If you think Haslem is still calling the shots than we shouldn't be having a discussion right now. No front office will succeed here if that is the case so why clamor for the current one to be fired when it will change nothing? From the decisions that our office has made that is different than the past, I don't think Haslem is monkeying around anymore(at least not as much). 3. Just because you have good weapons doesn't mean you will have a qb rating of 100. Look at Matt Stafford with Megatron. Meanwhile, Jim Bob Cooter comes into Detroit once Calvin Johnson is gone, and he has really helped Stafford come into his own a little with fewer weapons. Another example is Matt Ryan and Julio Jones. When Shanahan reformed the offense for the Falcons, Matt Ryan was lighting the world on fire. Now that Shanahan is gone, Matt Ryan has regressed to what he used to do. Below 100 passer rating. You are right that what Hue Jackson is doing right now is questionable. I would not trust him to be a GM of my team, nor am I happy with his ability as being a head coach (or an OC for that matter). Surely though, you must have seen the success he had as an offensive coordinator at Cincinnati (though not as much as we might like) and why we gave him a chance. At the time he was hired, we couldn't really do much better unless we were hiring a much less experienced coach and it was a risk that just simply hasn't worked out. I agree that Hue probably should be fired (though at the end of the season), but I don't think our front office should go with him. 4. Yea, we all knew it was a risk. I know that around 1000 yard seasons are not stellar. But think of the situation at the time. WE HAVE NO WEAPONS. Besides Corey Coleman, we have all scrubs at wr. The front office had 2 choices to fix our wr problem. A) Bring in Britt (though they knew he could be Dwayne Bowe 2.0) and at least have a chance that he would do what he did last year. This comes at no cost because we are nowhere near cap space hell(yes, even though we are overpaying him). or B) Bring in nobody (because Maclin and Decker didn't want to come) and watch the dumpster fire Option A gives us a small percentage chance that something good would happen while Option B gives a 0% chance of something good happening. The cost for each option is essentially the same because we have too much money that is sitting, doing nothing. Which option would you pick?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 20:29:30 GMT -5
I would take Carson Wentz over that pile of garbage
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Post by heresjim on Oct 24, 2017 21:27:43 GMT -5
Well considering one of those picks could turn into our franchise qbs (round 1 2018) or an immediate impact player, I think it's a little early to tell if this pile is complete trash yet. Corey Coleman is surely a talent and I think Jabrill Peppers will continue to develop. Shon Coleman is starting as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 22:09:44 GMT -5
Well considering one of those picks could turn into our franchise qbs (round 1 2018) or an immediate impact player, I think it's a little early to tell if this pile is complete trash yet. Corey Coleman is surely a talent and I think Jabrill Peppers will continue to develop. Shon Coleman is starting as well. You're missing the point. Wentz IS a franchise qb, where as you don't know if any qb in this draft will be. Also sorry to tell you this but Corey Coleman is a bust
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Post by heresjim on Oct 24, 2017 22:14:33 GMT -5
Well considering one of those picks could turn into our franchise qbs (round 1 2018) or an immediate impact player, I think it's a little early to tell if this pile is complete trash yet. Corey Coleman is surely a talent and I think Jabrill Peppers will continue to develop. Shon Coleman is starting as well. You're missing the point. Wentz IS a franchise qb, where as you don't know if any qb in this draft will be. Also sorry to tell you this but Corey Coleman is a bust In the right situation, yes. Not here. Who would Wentz throw to here? How would he succeed in this situation? Tim Couch all over again. With the way Hue Jackson has been handling our qbs, you can't say with any confidence that he would be playing at the same level that he is at the Eagles.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 25, 2017 10:28:53 GMT -5
I would take Carson Wentz over that pile of garbage hey someone gets it i don't buy the argument that we are too bad to draft good players, if you don't have a QB you ain't got 5hit
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Post by heresjim on Oct 25, 2017 11:42:22 GMT -5
I would take Carson Wentz over that pile of garbage hey someone gets it i don't buy the argument that we are too bad to draft good players, if you don't have a QB you ain't got 5hit Well let us not make a strawman out of my argument. I'm only arguing we should hold off on drafting a QB since I feel it's success is heavily reliant on the supporting cast around it. Other positions don't rely so heavily on each other to be good and I want to draft impact players if they are there. We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Out of curiosity, is there any gm or head coach that you feel is heads and shoulders better than what we have right now? Who is available and wants to come to Cleveland? I can think of a few for coaches, just curious about the gm candidates.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 25, 2017 13:30:35 GMT -5
only a moron would come to Cleveland to coach, altho maybe Greg Williams deserves a shot at HC again
i wanted them to go after Doug Marrone when he left Buffalo but i'm not that into the coaching ranks that i can offer a legit take on that crisis
we've started 20 QBs in the last 43 games...Green Bay has started 7 since Brett Favre replaced the Polish Rifle oh so many years ago...
...and hindsight is always 20/20, it's not super awful that Cleveland passed on Wentz because you're right, they would have made a mess of him...but dangit they came out right afterward and made themselves look like FOOLS by proclaiming that they didn't have Wentz as being a top-20 QB prospect
I mean really? Why would you even tell people that? To try to speak it into truth? They got nothing up there. Haslem is a fool.
Browns 2-32 in their last 34 games. The mind reels.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:03:36 GMT -5
Yeah there are better GM candidates out there and that would be anyone that actually has a background in football. Not a lawyer and not a baseball analytic guy.
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Post by tommygunn on Oct 26, 2017 7:10:12 GMT -5
Who watches the NFL anymore. Lol. The Browns are done for. Its like shampoo, wash, rinse, repeat with this team. The cat calls are being heard. We need a new GM, a new coach, new qb, hell a new team. It has been the same thing over and over for what? 20 years? Lets just sell the Cleveland Browns and focus on the Tribe and Cavs.
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Post by galion on Oct 27, 2017 5:17:34 GMT -5
And when LeBron leaves after this season, it will just be the Indians.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 27, 2017 9:07:33 GMT -5
2-32!!!!
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Post by galion on Oct 29, 2017 17:19:47 GMT -5
I was hoping that if the Browns could find a way to win today maybe London would keep them. Turns out that they suck overseas as well. At least Case Keenum gets to feel good about himself for one week.
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