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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 26, 2017 8:43:31 GMT -5
I'm not trying to start an argument with my buddy Torch,,,as he had a closer view of OSU hoops than many around here,,,but I bet there are a lot of D1 coaches who are glad Craft is no longer at OSU.
I think Crafts' talents were maximized when he had a Center who actually had good hands like Sully. And a PF like Deshaun Thomas who could score from multiple areas on the court--who also had good hands. Which is why I think on this 2017 version of OSU,,he would have made this team so much better. Thompson at Center would look a lot better with a PG who could drive and dish without turning it over time and again. Also, imagine Craft at the top of this defense going against a Big10 with not many great guards to begin with. He would be huge imo.
Offense from an individual standpoint was never a strong point for Craft. OSU messed with his shot and I think it scarred him for his Junior and Senior years. In the last 10 years, I'd say he is the player I miss the most at OSU.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2017 18:59:10 GMT -5
I'll take Tate as a really nice role player at OSU any day, in spite of being 6'4,,,,,but you are right--we have No one who wants the ball in his hands in the last 7 seconds of the game. I would have guessed Lyle to be that guy, but to date--late in the game he just isn't Mr Clutch. However, Tate isn't a role player he's the starting power forward. If 6-8 Diop wasn't hurt he'd be a stater and Williams, Ohio State's best 3-point shooter, would be taken out of the starting line up. At 6-4, guard size Tate has made 25 3-pointers in 3 years, shooting .269 behind the arc.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2017 19:02:04 GMT -5
Ohio State has no leader, like Craft was. NO ONE who WANTS to take a big shot, like Turner did. All you need to know is they have a 6-4 power forward. Which is uncommon for even DIII schools. Craft wasn't a leader he was a self-absorbed punk who got caught up in his overhyped press clippings, if he had been black instead of white then everyone would have seen how bad he truly sucked. Is he operating on brains yet? Gtfooh. You don't want to equate scoring with being a great leader. NONE of the top coaches would. Wanna bet Izzo would call Craft a great leader? I've heard him say it. BTW, Izzo says his team's biggest problem this year is the lack of a leader.
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Post by DrTorch on Feb 26, 2017 19:21:31 GMT -5
hey the truth hurts, sorry kids
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 1, 2017 7:27:54 GMT -5
Couple nice wins for OSU- blowout vs Wisc and a last couple second win at Penn St. These guys could have folded the tent and quietly gone away. I really liked the last play OSU ran. No need to mess around and hope for a wide open outside shot---go to the rim with the guy who does it best with pressure,,and he delivered.
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 1, 2017 8:54:58 GMT -5
After playing their best game of the year against Wisconsin, they lapsed back to the style of inconsistencies exhibited most of the year. Poor passing decisions that result in turnovers and often being out of position defensively. Generally, I saw a team that wasn't focused as they were vs. Wisconsin. So many opportunities to put this game away early. If the women's coach Kevin McGuff was coaching this team, they would be much different. I agree, that last play was sweet!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 2, 2017 19:52:09 GMT -5
Ohio State is 13 points from being one of the top teams in the Big Ten. 6 of their 13 losses are by a total of 13 points. Could easily be 23-7. One good leader, one player WANTING to take a big shot, a couple more free throws made in those games.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 3, 2017 13:17:35 GMT -5
Yep, I agree. OSU not as bad as their record. Then again a lot of Big10 teams could say the same.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 8, 2017 21:47:45 GMT -5
Bad loss to Rutgers tonight in the B1G tournament
Any chance OSU makes it into the NIT?
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 9, 2017 6:41:39 GMT -5
A miserable performance in most every phase of the game, against the 14th seed, seals Thad Matta's fate, in my estimation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 7:10:36 GMT -5
Bad loss to Rutgers tonight in the B1G tournament Any chance OSU makes it into the NIT? Likely will. NIT is all about the $$$$
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 11, 2017 10:43:06 GMT -5
Thad is not getting fired. He could resign, but he's been given at least another year of goodwill from the Admin at OSU.
Sounds like TT is leaving based off of what he said and others high up in the info channel are saying like Bill Greene.
Lyle says he is 100% coming back, I don't see any reason for him to leave based off of his inconsistent play. I hope Kaleb Wesson is ready to go.
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 11, 2017 12:52:21 GMT -5
I would argue your confident assessment that Matta's stickin' around. I think Matta has lost grip of this team. Anyone notice late 2nd half, Chris Jent is drawing up the plays? I have a longshot on his replacement, but he is currently the head coach of another respected Big Ten basketball school at the moment.....just a hunch. We'll see how things play out.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 11, 2017 18:10:01 GMT -5
Jent runs the offense, and has all year. AD Gene Smith came out with a statement released to the press before the Rutgers game saying Thad will be the coach next year.
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 11, 2017 21:52:14 GMT -5
Jent runs the offense, and has all year. AD Gene Smith came out with a statement released to the press before the Rutgers game saying Thad will be the coach next year. I heard that as well. Some accept mediocrity, instead of holding to the level of standards expected at Ohio State University.....disappointing.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 12, 2017 10:06:47 GMT -5
I saw where John Groce of Illinois was fired. He was a great Assistant under Matta. Wonder if that might happen? To me,,the poor assistants are the root of the problem with OSU basketball. In the same way,,,they are a bonus with our football team. Obviously the 2 offensive coaches who were fired and replaced showed their weakness in 2016.
I'd say 2017-2018 had better see improvement or Thad will be forced to leave one way or another.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 12, 2017 19:53:45 GMT -5
No NIT for OSU. We were one of the last 2 teams out.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 12, 2017 21:29:05 GMT -5
Bad loss to Rutgers tonight in the B1G tournament Any chance OSU makes it into the NIT? Likely will. NIT is all about the $$$$ Looks like $$$$ isn't that important after all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 12:40:59 GMT -5
Likely will. NIT is all about the $$$$ Looks like $$$$ isn't that important after all. More to do with several conference champs losing their post season tournaments
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 13, 2017 17:09:45 GMT -5
Bad loss to Rutgers tonight in the B1G tournament Any chance OSU makes it into the NIT? Likely will. NIT is all about the $$$$ Guess there wasn't enough money influence to overcome a poorly coached, under-performing team. Even the the marquee OSU brand, had little luster this time around.
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Post by 4 on Apr 25, 2017 18:16:05 GMT -5
Junior guard Kam Williams declared for draft, not sure why. 0% chance he gets drafted. Probably will return to school I'm guessing
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 25, 2017 21:12:45 GMT -5
Can't return if he hires an agent. My guess he'd rather ride the bench in Israel for pocket change instead of going to class.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 8:58:56 GMT -5
Junior guard Kam Williams declared for draft, not sure why. 0% chance he gets drafted. Probably will return to school I'm guessing Probably sees his future refuses to face reality so he can declare and go overseas and play earning six figures for a while then return home as a professional player and live off the hype for a while. Probably not thinking long term with this choice. Neither Williams or Thompson are projected to be draft picks. Difference is Thompson has signed with an agent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 13:38:57 GMT -5
He's a senior in school. Don't know if he is set to graduate next week, but that may be part of the decision. Seems like nobody wants to be there anymore. Today they lost 4* Darius Bazley
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Post by 4 on Apr 26, 2017 13:45:27 GMT -5
Yep Darius is a big loss^ top ranked Ohio player for 2018. Recruiting has to get better.
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Post by ronburgandy on Apr 26, 2017 14:29:20 GMT -5
Huge blow to Ohio State. He is having a really good AAU spring so far.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 26, 2017 14:47:52 GMT -5
Ohio State has needed to move on from Thad Matta for quite some time. His best years are a distant past.
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 26, 2017 15:22:14 GMT -5
Time for Matta to go? Yes, 3 years ago.
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Post by 4 on Apr 27, 2017 1:49:18 GMT -5
I'm ready to move on too. Osu basketball is a laughing stock. Wesson next year will be fun. Ahrens and Goodwin in 2018 (if stay committed). But there's no star player there. Wesson will probably be next year. Like Sullinger style of play. Just don't see osu competing for a big ten ship strongly till 2018 or 19
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 27, 2017 6:30:13 GMT -5
Matta has had so many players leave his program and crucial de-commits the past several years and of course, there is a ready excuse. At some point, the excuses lose all credence. I like Thad Matta and truly appreciate all that he has done and accomplished over the years, but it has become increasingly apparent that it is time for a coaching change, in the best interest of Ohio State Basketball.
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