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Post by bigman on Mar 15, 2017 12:17:10 GMT -5
The "community Youth director" aka Davey Lawrence, has had an agenda from day 1 to get Long out as Coach of Willard. I personally think that High School athletes are made in the early years. In my opinion, he must not have been doing a very good job along with his Willard Youth Sports associates of developing the young talent. Maybe he should consider giving that position up and allowing someone more competent and less reckless to run our youth programs. Is it true that a majority of the really good youth basketball players go to Mansfield to play and do not even play in the Willard Youth Program? I have heard that in the past and don't know for sure. If that is the case then it doesn't sound like the Youth Director is doing a good job either.
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Post by dumpp on Mar 15, 2017 12:48:52 GMT -5
He sounds dumpy, we don't have dumpy people in our basketball program at Huron which is why we are successful.
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Post by ScarletFever on Mar 15, 2017 23:27:39 GMT -5
Well I learned one thing from this thread.
This forum is a lot more popular than I thought it was. Half the town's been texting me about it.
Two things:
1) No I don't know who anyone is on here 2) See #1
As far as this issue I hear from all sides. I understand some parts of all sides. I disagree with parts of all sides.
I heard this move was inevitable about 2 months ago and those reports rang true.
This was a hard, hard situation to succeed in and Chris did not. I'm not sure I know many who could have.
More wins are on the horizon. D3 is a rusted tomato can level of a challenge. Field an 'ok' team and you could make regional finals. The 8th grade team is talented. We are playing in the Bay division next year vs tiro, new haven, cranberry hills & the team from Teen Wolf minus the wolf so wins will come.
Stories of one coach already making 'moves' to get the job along with a few members of a new legion give me pause, but we'll all have to wait to see how it plays out.
I did hear another name that gives me hope, but also hearing he may want nothing to do with this circus situation.
Discuss amongst yourselves, see y'all in my inbox.
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Post by greenman on Mar 16, 2017 0:07:42 GMT -5
So Rod Cok wanted to be felt with a Long grip, or a or a felt grip to be Long? Sorry, it's late.
Anyone else just now catch the Board Prez's name?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 6:44:23 GMT -5
So Rod Cok wanted to be felt with a Long grip, or a or a felt grip to be Long? Sorry, it's late. Anyone else just now catch the Board Prez's name? It's pronounced coke, like the drink
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Post by fredgarvin on Mar 16, 2017 7:22:43 GMT -5
To me, this has absolutely nothing to do with Haas or Noss. The reality is that the program is currently a dumpster fire. The cause of that can be debated, but the true blame can be shared by everyone involved. Coaches, school board, players, and parents. If everyone is to blame, then what is the school board to do? They are not going to fire themselves. (I wish that some of them would.) The only thing they can change is the coach. Did Coach Long get a raw deal? In some ways, perhaps. But the results just are not there. It was time for a replacement.
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Post by bigox on Mar 16, 2017 10:10:25 GMT -5
This whole situation at Willard is jacked up. Infighting and mud slinging from the bottom up is just bush league. Instead of taking direction from the head coach and building a program with fundamentals. Youth programs are and should be to help kids get better and instruct kids. From what I have seen first had from the program kids a selected and marked as "a or b" teams almost immediately. With low enrollment numbers shunning kids in 4th grade really is a good look.😎😎.
As far as a new coach hopefully it's someone with thicker skin than Chris. But I doubt it because he is a pretty tough character. Everyone is tooting the we will finally play teams we are the same size horn! Ha! New Riegel Old Fort Calvert are no slouches. Wins will be just as tough as the Nol for Willard. Unfortunately the is a bigger problem than most realize for the you gotta have the kids buy in to get better. And youth programs that are inclusive and not exclusive. Until those things change you could have Roy Williams coach and still be mediocre. But that is jmo.
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Post by ScarletFever on Mar 16, 2017 12:04:15 GMT -5
Add Jimmy Langhurst or Nick Dials to this years team -----They are in the Regionals at D3,,,,,,let that sink in for a second. Hell, add Oney or Loar or Davidson to this years team (just one of them) and we are probably in regionals. At minimum district finals. You add a Dials or Langhurst to this mix we are knocking on the door of Columbus zero doubt. This D3 district / regional semi finalist wouldn't even win a game in sectionals d2 back in the 80's 90's (AA) Partially agree with ox, wins will be easier to come by. You get rid of bellevue sandusky norwalk etc x2 and replace them with smaller schools you'll get more wins. The youth sports thing is 100% the issue. People don't like when I say it, but everyone in town in the know says the same thing just not on the internet. I'm not saying the youth sports folks suck, I'm not saying the varsity coaches suck. Just saying the varsity coaches should set the tone and the lead for all youth programs and they should all be swimming in the same direction. Teach respect of the varsity coaches from 4th grade on. Disagree in private if you will, discuss strategy, when you leave that room everyone on the same page.
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Post by willardfan on Mar 16, 2017 15:08:31 GMT -5
Bottom line was Long didn't get the job done. Everyone seems to forget that in the 2015-2016 year they were picked to win the NOL. What did they finish like 5th? They had two first team nol players in Ebert and Robinson and some talent surrounded them. They still had talent the next year with Robinson. Most nights Willard went into the game and got outcoached. I am sure Long thought he was doing all he could but with that talent they could have accomplished much more. Plus it showed that most of the kids he had were Hirschy's kids and where was the talent he developed? Hopefully the new coach can work with the kids harder in the offseason.
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Post by willardfan on Mar 16, 2017 16:02:50 GMT -5
I am pretty sure Ebert and Robinson was ahead of Moore in scoring. Plus isn't it the coaches job to make sure the big doesn't quit and connect with him. Even without Moore I think that team could have been better.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 16, 2017 16:09:35 GMT -5
A high school coach has no time or business teaching kids to use their off hand, box out, set or come off a screen, play help side defense. Individual skills should be taught from the eighth grade down. High school coaches should be teaching and implementing team concepts, putting in offenses and defenses, and strategizing for specific opponents. If you want to win the varsity coach needs to dictate these facts all the way down. Where I grew up youth bball was like little league. You signed up, showed up, went through some skills in front of coaches, and then they picked teams. Sophomore through senior year we went regional final, regional final, state semi-final. You Willard guys might remember us roughing you up a little in the early 80's. Watch a team warm up. When varsity kids are shooting layups from the left side over the front of the rim with their right hand that team will lose most of the time. It's not rocket science, but someone has to implement the program and set the tone. And it's going to take a couple of years because some kids are going to have to work their way up the system.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 17:02:17 GMT -5
Bottom line was Long didn't get the job done. Everyone seems to forget that in the 2015-2016 year they were picked to win the NOL. What did they finish like 5th? They had two first team nol players in Ebert and Robinson and some talent surrounded them. They still had talent the next year with Robinson. Most nights Willard went into the game and got outcoached. I am sure Long thought he was doing all he could but with that talent they could have accomplished much more. Plus it showed that most of the kids he had were Hirschy's kids and where was the talent he developed? Hopefully the new coach can work with the kids harder in the offseason. Who picked them to win the NOL that year? Nobody who knew the NOL did.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 16, 2017 18:03:13 GMT -5
Bottom line was Long didn't get the job done. Everyone seems to forget that in the 2015-2016 year they were picked to win the NOL. You and who else made this prediction???
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 16, 2017 18:47:41 GMT -5
This whole situation at Willard is jacked up. Infighting and mud slinging from the bottom up is just bush league. Instead of taking direction from the head coach and building a program with fundamentals. Youth programs are and should be to help kids get better and instruct kids. From what I have seen first had from the program kids a selected and marked as "a or b" teams almost immediately. With low enrollment numbers shunning kids in 4th grade really is a good look.😎😎. As far as a new coach hopefully it's someone with thicker skin than Chris. But I doubt it because he is a pretty tough character. Everyone is tooting the we will finally play teams we are the same size horn! Ha! New Riegel Old Fort Calvert are no slouches. Wins will be just as tough as the Nol for Willard. Unfortunately the is a bigger problem than most realize for the you gotta have the kids buy in to get better. And youth programs that are inclusive and not exclusive. Until those things change you could have Roy Williams coach and still be mediocre. But that is jmo. Do you know who runs youth summer basketball(4th-5th and 6th-8th) at Ontario? Do you know who works hands on with the kids doing nothing but working on fundamentals for 2 hours a day for a week? Do you know who knows the name of every kid after a couple of days? Do you know who helps officiate games the 2nd week? Do you know who is there 30 minutes before and after each session so the dedicated can "shoot around" on their own? Balogh and his staff. With the required help of returning varsity players. After one week of watching kids work on fundamentals, a real effort is made to make all teams as equal as possible for the 2nd week, when games are played with everyone on each team playing equal minutes. During the basketball season Varsity and JV players work on fundamentals with 4th-6th graders under the supervision of a staff member. Above, someone says there should be no work done on fundamentals by varsity squads during the season. Come watch his practices. The first 15-20 minutes of every practice is nothing but ball handling, shooting, rebounding drills combined with strength training. Heck fundamentals are worked on during the season by college teams.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 18:54:48 GMT -5
This whole situation at Willard is jacked up. Infighting and mud slinging from the bottom up is just bush league. Instead of taking direction from the head coach and building a program with fundamentals. Youth programs are and should be to help kids get better and instruct kids. From what I have seen first had from the program kids a selected and marked as "a or b" teams almost immediately. With low enrollment numbers shunning kids in 4th grade really is a good look.😎😎. As far as a new coach hopefully it's someone with thicker skin than Chris. But I doubt it because he is a pretty tough character. Everyone is tooting the we will finally play teams we are the same size horn! Ha! New Riegel Old Fort Calvert are no slouches. Wins will be just as tough as the Nol for Willard. Unfortunately the is a bigger problem than most realize for the you gotta have the kids buy in to get better. And youth programs that are inclusive and not exclusive. Until those things change you could have Roy Williams coach and still be mediocre. But that is jmo. Do you know who runs youth summer basketball(4th-5th and 6th-8th) at Ontario? Do you know who works hands on with the kids doing nothing but working on fundamentals for 2 hours a day for a week? Do you know who knows the name of every kid after a couple of days? Do you know who helps officiate games the 2nd week? Do you know who is there 30 minutes before and after each session so the dedicated can "shoot around" on their own? Balogh and his staff. With the required help of returning varsity players. After one week of watching kids work on fundamentals, a real effort is made to make all teams as equal as possible for the 2nd week, when games are played with everyone on each team playing equal minutes. During the basketball season Varsity and JV players work on fundamentals with 4th-6th graders under the supervision of a staff member. Above, someone says there should be no work done on fundamentals by varsity squads during the season. Come watch his practices. The first 15-20 minutes of every practice is nothing but ball handling, shooting, rebounding drills combined with strength training. Heck fundamentals are worked on during the season by college teams. This topic thread is about Chris Long, not Joe Balogh. Go play with his wang on your own time
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 16, 2017 19:12:26 GMT -5
A comparison of worth. No other coaches were mentioned in this "topic thread"?? Your ignorant ugly mouth is an example of your lack of intellect.
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Post by bigox on Mar 16, 2017 20:06:08 GMT -5
This whole situation at Willard is jacked up. Infighting and mud slinging from the bottom up is just bush league. Instead of taking direction from the head coach and building a program with fundamentals. Youth programs are and should be to help kids get better and instruct kids. From what I have seen first had from the program kids a selected and marked as "a or b" teams almost immediately. With low enrollment numbers shunning kids in 4th grade really is a good look.😎😎. As far as a new coach hopefully it's someone with thicker skin than Chris. But I doubt it because he is a pretty tough character. Everyone is tooting the we will finally play teams we are the same size horn! Ha! New Riegel Old Fort Calvert are no slouches. Wins will be just as tough as the Nol for Willard. Unfortunately the is a bigger problem than most realize for the you gotta have the kids buy in to get better. And youth programs that are inclusive and not exclusive. Until those things change you could have Roy Williams coach and still be mediocre. But that is jmo. Do you know who runs youth summer basketball(4th-5th and 6th-8th) at Ontario? Do you know who works hands on with the kids doing nothing but working on fundamentals for 2 hours a day for a week? Do you know who knows the name of every kid after a couple of days? Do you know who helps officiate games the 2nd week? Do you know who is there 30 minutes before and after each session so the dedicated can "shoot around" on their own? Balogh and his staff. With the required help of returning varsity players. After one week of watching kids work on fundamentals, a real effort is made to make all teams as equal as possible for the 2nd week, when games are played with everyone on each team playing equal minutes. During the basketball season Varsity and JV players work on fundamentals with 4th-6th graders under the supervision of a staff member. Above, someone says there should be no work done on fundamentals by varsity squads during the season. Come watch his practices. The first 15-20 minutes of every practice is nothing but ball handling, shooting, rebounding drills combined with strength training. Heck fundamentals are worked on during the season by college teams. I understand that you are proud of what Ontario does with its boys program. Cudos to Joe for being involved. He's a dying breed unfortunately. But you don't think many area coaches don't do similar? Including Long? Here in lies the problem with many schools. Egos and parents. Most high school head coaches even the likes of Joe have a family and a life and have obligations beyond the measly stipend they are paid. They want all the kids to get better but also want to see their kids and family. Enter in little Johnny's dad. He offers to help with say for lack of arguments the 4th 5th and 6th grade youth. Now Johnny's dad can't see past the blinders that his son is the second coming of LeBron. And wants to align golden Boy with kids that will help his son. Every kid that doesn't measure up to the slighted view of "dad Coach" gets cast to the side as a second team usually coached by a parent who has no clue what basketball even is let alone develop kids skills. Carry this over to varsity when Johnny is not panning out to be LeBron and who's to blame....hmmmm head coach for not developing the program. Also the kids from the b.team are out of the program because they were shunned in elementary school and how is it? Dude calls it walking the halls? Sorry for the rant but today's youth teams kill me to no end. Like I said first hand knowledge of what goes on at many youth programs it's no wonder why kids at schools with that type of direction fall through the cracks. There are good groups of parents out there and youth programs at schools that build up fundamentals and develop kids from 4th grade up. But sadly to many times its the first scenario. Side note Willie. I wish your girls program had half the effort as your boys. Had it not been for one guy/parent there the girls youth program would have been a dumpsters fire.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 16, 2017 22:21:29 GMT -5
You said this "topic thread" was only about Long. Your ignorant ugly mouth proves your lack of intellect again.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 16, 2017 22:49:00 GMT -5
Ox,
Only a misguided head coach would allow a self-centered father to get his claws into even the most insignificant part of his program. As you elude to, it's a cancer. Unless he was coaching in the program before his son became of age to play and knew he'd still want to be involved after his kid was gone. The head of any organization has the power to get rid of a disruptive influence as long as they don't belong to a union. One of the most important aspects of building a good organization is selecting the correct individuals to be a part of it.
Dude, doesn't call it "walking the halls", I do. He says every student in the halls are "walking the halls".
There's a problem with female coaches. If married, some husbands demand they are in the home at certain times of the day and week. They expect them to do the shopping, cook the meals, do the laundry and clean house. And they get pregnant. Not PC, but the truth
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 22:51:50 GMT -5
In most cases the head coach selects his staff so with a new Willard coach will come all new personnel including the youth programs.
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Post by ScarletFever on Mar 16, 2017 22:55:03 GMT -5
Oney wasn't a PG Loar wasn't really a scoring PG Davidson could shoot, but was more of a wing than a PG In sad D3 they'd each be more than enough to reach district finals. They'd have beaten western and clear fork by 10 and challenged an ok Edison team to make regionals.
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Post by deathfromabove on Mar 17, 2017 0:11:58 GMT -5
dude, In most cases the youth league is not run by the school but by the city youth center. The head coach has no say on how it is run so anybody can coach a team even if he has no idea on what to do with a basketball. It's sad but a public school has other things that are school sponsor. And if Trump has his way there will be more programs cut cause he has to find some way to pay for the wall.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 3:41:44 GMT -5
dude, In most cases the youth league is not run by the school but by the city youth center. The head coach has no say on how it is run so anybody can coach a team even if he has no idea on what to do with a basketball. It's sad but a public school has other things that are school sponsor. And if Trump has his way there will be more programs cut cause he has to find some way to pay for the wall. If that were true then it should work both ways. The youth center worker has no say in what goes on at the school. I was speaking of the school's youth programs that are run for kids playing sport. Not every district has a city youth center. Cutting waste is always a good idea. Make America great.
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Post by mcm1019 on Mar 17, 2017 7:06:03 GMT -5
dude, In most cases the youth league is not run by the school but by the city youth center. The head coach has no say on how it is run so anybody can coach a team even if he has no idea on what to do with a basketball. It's sad but a public school has other things that are school sponsor. And if Trump has his way there will be more programs cut cause he has to find some way to pay for the wall. If that were true then it should work both ways. The youth center worker has no say in what goes on at the school. I was speaking of the school's youth programs that are run for kids playing sport. Not every district has a city youth center. Cutting waste is always a good idea. Make America great. Actually, most youth leagues are NOT run by the city youth center, unless you're talking about really young kids. Once you get to about 4th grade, there are organized travel leagues that aren't connected to the Rec leagues. Some are run completely independent of the school system and their upper level coaches, while some have a connection and offer guidance. And there are arguments to be made on both sides on how that youth organization should be run.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 8:17:05 GMT -5
If that were true then it should work both ways. The youth center worker has no say in what goes on at the school. I was speaking of the school's youth programs that are run for kids playing sport. Not every district has a city youth center. Cutting waste is always a good idea. Make America great. Actually, most youth leagues are NOT run by the city youth center, unless you're talking about really young kids. Once you get to about 4th grade, there are organized travel leagues that aren't connected to the Rec leagues. Some are run completely independent of the school system and their upper level coaches, while some have a connection and offer guidance. And there are arguments to be made on both sides on how that youth organization should be run. In this case it seems pretty clear they were connected or at least someone thought they were connected.
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Post by deathfromabove on Mar 17, 2017 17:28:20 GMT -5
dude, I also agree in cutting some programs that aren't doing the school any good at all but in a lot of school's they will have to drop mourning breakfast for under privilege kids who most of them don't get a good meal because either one or both parents are at work so they can paid their bills and rent for the month. There will be other programs that will be cut that might benefit our kids. I didn't mean to put my soap box on this discussion about Coach Long but there will be a lot of schools here that will have to look at what they are going to keep or not and if Willard City School runs the youth basketball program that might be one of the things they might have to cut.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 20:34:41 GMT -5
dude, I also agree in cutting some programs that aren't doing the school any good at all but in a lot of school's they will have to drop mourning breakfast for under privilege kids who most of them don't get a good meal because either one or both parents are at work so they can paid their bills and rent for the month. There will be other programs that will be cut that might benefit our kids. I didn't mean to put my soap box on this discussion about Coach Long but there will be a lot of schools here that will have to look at what they are going to keep or not and if Willard City School runs the youth basketball program that might be one of the things they might have to cut. Federal funds can get cut, the school will decide to cut the breakfast. Take local tax dollars for your kids breakfast.
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Post by Observer on Mar 18, 2017 9:38:58 GMT -5
You already do. They're called "taxes."
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Post by Debbie Downer on Mar 18, 2017 10:02:27 GMT -5
I hate to be a downer but taxes go to government which wastes money and a large portion normally goes to the wallets of elite politicians. Non politicians want their money to go straight to the kids. The gov't doesn't want to help kids they want to help their wallets so they will continue to make us pay taxes. Even Bernie Sanders has 3 houses and a net worth in the millions. Either pay for Bernie Sanders houses or go to jail, those are your only choices in life.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 18, 2017 11:26:04 GMT -5
Dude and greenman, well put. It seems that Willard does not have a good pool of talent to choose from. Their glory years came under Haas when the "talent" seemed to somehow move into the district. I think Long might have a better chance at success someplace else. Common complaint, but there was a ton of talent grown here already and a random 'move in' here and there didn't make a garbage team good. They made a great team elite. Take away all the move in gang, Haas still wins a bajillion games. I agree, but mainly in the early to mid 80s, the NOL wasn't that good.
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