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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 4:31:53 GMT -5
Funny thing is none of those schools have a problem playing the smaller river or bay schools. they have crossover games this coming year that include Edison beating up on smcc...port Clinton vs. SJCC . So as long as they get to be the bullies it's ok The excuse of enrollment to not play a team happens a lot.
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Post by gridiron58 on May 12, 2017 5:03:10 GMT -5
Subtract the 35 or so boys who play soccer for Ross (that Bellevue doesn't offer) and it's 426 to 267. Also.... number of students in the Ross football program grades 9-12 is 81. Number in the Bellevue football program grades 9-12 is 88. I think Bellevue would be ok. Not a good point. 90% of the kids that play soccer do not have football bodies. Short and skinny. 104% Untrue. See Willard.... I can make up percentages as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 5:22:56 GMT -5
Maybe some are afraid of boogeyman Ross was long ago. I pray for our boys because is Springfield or southview let alone sandusky who had a running clock on us last year, gonna give us a break NO because they are excellent programs and punch in mouth physically.....Now lets all go to our TRAC schedule! ! Lima sr. Loss. Excellent program physical and athletic.st.Johns Jesuit with its division 1 talent is a trac contender, physical hard hitting. Toledo central Catholic ok enough said. By week 6 were beat up with injuries. Than its whitmer, st.Francis,clay and btw findlay! !. I don't blame Ross for applying to sbc because nowadays high school football at the powerful conferences are fast,hard hitting. Not like it was 20 years ago.Safety has to be a concern.concussions
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 5:34:09 GMT -5
No team in area plays a schedule like Fremont.I have great respect for Fremont kids who play.They are little giants.
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Post by dolittle on May 12, 2017 7:01:12 GMT -5
Maragretta was not forced to play Norwalk. Not at all. maybe another brilliant move by their ad?
pc is playing sjcc but this is the last year i think.
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Post by xbellevueplayer on May 12, 2017 8:49:17 GMT -5
Does that matter - don't most of those kids attend Ross? Right? Ross 461 Bellevue 261 Never going to happen. Subtract the 35 or so boys who play soccer for Ross (that Bellevue doesn't offer) and it's 426 to 267. Also.... number of students in the Ross football program grades 9-12 is 81. Number in the Bellevue football program grades 9-12 is 88. I think Bellevue would be ok. Where did u get your sources on how many 9-12 both schools?
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Post by maplecityjake on May 12, 2017 9:14:58 GMT -5
Keith, I knew you would state what you stated, but most cities/districts comparable to Fremont are mainly landlocked. Of course, Fremont is not. Taking in Socioeconomics/Demographics, my point is Fremont doesn't get many of its Football players outside the city.
As far as enrollment discrepancy, again, I remind those of the many years Tiffin was greatly bigger than many of the NOL schools. What's the difference with TC all those years compared to Ross? I would like to know.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 9:33:56 GMT -5
As far as enrollment discrepancy, again, I remind those of the many years Tiffin was greatly bigger than many of the NOL schools. What's the difference with TC all those years compared to Ross? I would like to know. The difference in my eyes is it's 2017 and enrollment numbers create fear for some making decisions. Some schools will play others half their size but ask them to play a school bigger and they lose their minds. In a small way I give credit to the N10 schools for looking at location and level of competition for their league when they included Upper.
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Post by shadowking on May 12, 2017 9:44:06 GMT -5
No team in area plays a schedule like Fremont.I have great respect for Fremont kids who play.They are little giants. Dude, give it a rest. You are coming across like a crybaby with your 20 posts about the same thing. We get your point.... Nobody is forcing Fremont to play in the TRAC. You can always go Indy....
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Post by 1percenter on May 12, 2017 10:46:01 GMT -5
Taking in Socioeconomics/Demographics, my point is Fremont doesn't get many of its Football players outside the city. Are you suggesting that as a public school Fremont has a bunch of kids that add nothing to the school except inflating enrollment numbers? As far as enrollment discrepancy, again, I remind those of the many years Tiffin was greatly bigger than many of the NOL schools. What's the difference with TC all those years compared to Ross? I would like to know. web.archive.org/web/20021025034237/http://www.ohsaa.org/members/hsenroll03.htm2002-03 enrollment numbers 600 Fremont Ross 438 Columbian 321 Norwalk 315 Bellevue 311 Fostoria 307 Shelby 285 Galion 284 Willard 258 Upper Sandusky You are also confusing the NOL with the SBC. The SBC never had TC as the bigger enrollment school, the SBC didn't let TC into the SBC until they had an enrollment similar to Clyde. The SBC is all about similar enrollment numbers in each division. If you have a beef it's with the NOL, maybe they should have let you in back in 2002 instead of Fostoria.
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Post by gridiron58 on May 12, 2017 11:42:28 GMT -5
Also.... number of students in the Ross football program grades 9-12 is 81. Number in the Bellevue football program grades 9-12 is 88. I think Bellevue would be ok. Where did u get your sources on how many 9-12 both schools? I got the 9-12 numbers by counting the number of players in each school's team picture this year. Bellevue had 9-12 in one photo. Ross had both a varsity and freshman photo so I combined the two.
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Post by Keith on May 12, 2017 12:41:09 GMT -5
Keith, I knew you would state what you stated, but most cities/districts comparable to Fremont are mainly landlocked. Of course, Fremont is not. Taking in Socioeconomics/Demographics, my point is Fremont doesn't get many of its Football players outside the city. As far as enrollment discrepancy, again, I remind those of the many years Tiffin was greatly bigger than many of the NOL schools. What's the difference with TC all those years compared to Ross? I would like to know. And I know you keep pushing this narrative. Please provide numbers to back up your assertion.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 12, 2017 15:15:48 GMT -5
Not a good point. 90% of the kids that play soccer do not have football bodies. Short and skinny. 104% Untrue. See Willard.... I can make up percentages as well. You've see O-lineman body types on soccer teams? You've seen D-lineman body types on soccer teams? You've seen middle LB types on soccer teams? You've seen TE types on soccer teams? Have you seen great QB, RB and WR types on soccer teams? Smallish DBs that play football are known for their hard hitting. They don't play soccer. I don't see soccer teams from all over the state. My estimate is based on seeing the NOL League Champion soccer team's games. One of their better defenders is like 5-4 120. Not a football player. The more I think about the 90%, it could be a tad low.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 12, 2017 15:24:45 GMT -5
Dude, give it a rest. You are coming across like a crybaby with your 20 posts about the same thing. We get your point.... Nobody is forcing Fremont to play in the TRAC. You can always go Indy.... I am at rest and I was responding to a member's post asking a question. I'm not a Fremont fan or supporter so that is not a factor. I'm not crying for Fremont or any other specific school. To me the crybabies are the ones using enrollment as an excuse. He was talking to a Dude, not THE Dude. Give it a rest.
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Post by gridiron58 on May 12, 2017 16:21:14 GMT -5
104% Untrue. See Willard.... I can make up percentages as well. You've see O-lineman body types on soccer teams? You've seen D-lineman body types on soccer teams? You've seen middle LB types on soccer teams? You've seen TE types on soccer teams? Have you seen great QB, RB and WR types on soccer teams? Smallish DBs that play football are known for their hard hitting. They don't play soccer. I don't see soccer teams from all over the state. My estimate is based on seeing the NOL League Champion soccer team's games. One of their better defenders is like 5-4 120. Not a football player. The more I think about the 90%, it could be a tad low. Congratulations..... you know most of the positions on a football team! So, because ONE of a team's better soccer defenders is 5-4 120 leads you to say that more than 90% of ALL soccer players could not play football? Another brilliant deduction. Just for one example how wrong that is... my cousin's son is the goalie for his HS soccer team. He is 6'2" 220. Their football team is terrible and all the good athletes at his school play soccer. Some kids are drawn toward a winner, some kids want to play whatever their friends play, some kids don't like the football coach, some kids don't like football. The point.... not every kid plays something other than football because they are not big, strong or fast enough to play football.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 19:37:33 GMT -5
gridiron, as he stated his knowledge is based in a team that lost first game in tournament. Most who do know both sports know athletes play both and many schools could have 190 pound defenders in soccer and 195 pound lineman in football.
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Post by 1percenter on May 12, 2017 19:40:30 GMT -5
+1 gridiron58, I think we can all agree that one has to be an athlete to play basketball. I think we can all agree if a kid plays guard and is the schools all time leader in points scored then he's an athlete. Meet Mansfield Madison's All-Time leader scorer in Basketball & Soccer Ryan Pore en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_PoreHe played Soccer and went pro in Soccer, he didn't play football, and he's Madison's All-Time leading scorer in 2 sports Basketball & Soccer
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 6:39:38 GMT -5
Shadow
Grow up, you bash the kids or coaches or administration every year I can remember on here. I HAVE EARNED along with My wife the RIGHT to support the kids anyway w can. WE have paid for 2 boys so much money for fees to play sports or fees in general at Ross I cant remember how much it is, but its thousand so cut it out! Yes our oldest a 2011 grad player under kidwell Would cone home and tell us on Friday nights.........its hard .....a lot of players MEALS would come on Friday before the game during pregame feeds our oldest would tell us stories. Tough to hear. So yes a lot of kids didn't play for finances or grades or were in trouble. Same with our youngest 2015 grad, that class was greatest since 2006 and finished 2 nd in trac.Same stories. So yes Fremont players are what they are. The areas toughest toughest kids,nothing, nothing is giving to Fremont kids but hate.Why there best in area.YES Ross can leave trac go independent but its out of question, stay in trac meantime.
So next time people here Badh or put down Fremont kids or coaches or throw a fit over whatever, stop and think those are kids.Unless you put kids through a system you have no idea.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 7:31:16 GMT -5
Yes our schedule is area's toughest period.I don't see any sbc schools non scheduling a findlay or whitmer. Fremont kids have no choice, they will and are stepping up.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 13, 2017 22:47:46 GMT -5
You've see O-lineman body types on soccer teams? You've seen D-lineman body types on soccer teams? You've seen middle LB types on soccer teams? You've seen TE types on soccer teams? Have you seen great QB, RB and WR types on soccer teams? Smallish DBs that play football are known for their hard hitting. They don't play soccer. I don't see soccer teams from all over the state. My estimate is based on seeing the NOL League Champion soccer team's games. One of their better defenders is like 5-4 120. Not a football player. The more I think about the 90%, it could be a tad low. Congratulations..... you know most of the positions on a football team! So, because ONE of a team's better soccer defenders is 5-4 120 leads you to say that more than 90% of ALL soccer players could not play football? Another brilliant deduction. Just for one example how wrong that is... my cousin's son is the goalie for his HS soccer team. He is 6'2" 220. Their football team is terrible and all the good athletes at his school play soccer. Some kids are drawn toward a winner, some kids want to play whatever their friends play, some kids don't like the football coach, some kids don't like football. The point.... not every kid plays something other than football because they are not big, strong or fast enough to play football. Congratulations on being untruthful about what I said. I DARE YOU to show us where I said "ALL soccer players could not play football". Just answer the questions instead of being UNTRUTHFUL. How many soccer players have you seen that could play the O-line in football? How many have you seen that could D-line? How many soccer players have you seen that look like good middle backers or tight ends? How many athletes that COULD be the starting QB, starting Tailback or star WR in football, choose to play soccer? After earning 4 varsity letters in football and having kids who played soccer. I've seen both sides and 100% respect all who play both sports. I do not respect your harangue. I have NEVER seen a 250-275 pound soccer player. NEVER seen a mean nasty 220 pound middle linebacker type play soccer. I have seen a few in my 30 years of watching both sports that were over 6-0 and around 220 play soccer. A rarity and I question if they had that mean streak, to play football. Maybe their mothers wouldn't let them play football. Maybe she was ignorant of the fact that there are just as many leg, knee and ankle injuries on average in HS soccer as HS football. I've seen ONE soccer player that could have been the starting QB on the same school's football team, but along with being a soccer player he was a swimmer and a dancer. It is rare for a great athlete to chose to play soccer on Wednesday afternoon in front of a 200 people over being the star QB, TB, or WR and play in front of 2000 people on Friday nights. What we both know for certain is that NONE who play soccer want to play football and NONE who play football want to play soccer. And I stand by my estimated 90% of those that play soccer are too small to play football successfully. Not counting the small private schools that don't have football. If I was real short or light of weight I would have chosen soccer over football. There are very few kids playing soccer that could improve the quality of the football team at the same school. Sure they could be on the team, increase the roster size, but they would stand on the sideline.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 13, 2017 22:56:06 GMT -5
gridiron, as he stated his knowledge is based in a team that lost first game in tournament. Most who do know both sports know athletes play both and many schools could have 190 pound defenders in soccer and 195 pound lineman in football. Why must you always be untruthful?? My "knowledge" that you lie about was seeing games played against other NOL teams and Mansfield area teams for MANY years. That 190-195 pound soccer player you mention? I never said they DID NOT exist. They are in the other 10% of my estimation. After seeing 100's of more soccer games than you have seen.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 0:11:00 GMT -5
Bottom line is soccer does affect a football program and those who know both can confirm that. Knowing Ross's enrollment but the fact that they have soccer should be considered by others looking to compete.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 6:24:02 GMT -5
Bottom line is soccer does affect a football program and those who know both can confirm that. Knowing Ross's enrollment but the fact that they have soccer should be considered by others looking to compete. Dude. Yes we have had soccer for many years, kinda diagree with ya, honestly our Kickers COME from soccer program.We had 2: kids battle for job last year under long.Our football coaches and Keith and maple can attest get these kids as our Kickers.Kidwell did it with Blair ellenberger, yeast and long too.Our soccer Kickers do soccer all week but just kick on Friday nights. They do both.Smaller schools maybe?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 8:43:02 GMT -5
Bottom line is soccer does affect a football program and those who know both can confirm that. Knowing Ross's enrollment but the fact that they have soccer should be considered by others looking to compete. Dude. Yes we have had soccer for many years, kinda diagree with ya, honestly our Kickers COME from soccer program.We had 2: kids battle for job last year under long.Our football coaches and Keith and maple can attest get these kids as our Kickers.Kidwell did it with Blair ellenberger, yeast and long too.Our soccer Kickers do soccer all week but just kick on Friday nights. They do both.Smaller schools maybe? I'm saying that if a school did not have soccer they would very likely have more kids playing football. There are good athletes in soccer that could help a football team if soccer was not an option.
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Post by gridiron58 on May 14, 2017 9:45:34 GMT -5
Dude. Yes we have had soccer for many years, kinda diagree with ya, honestly our Kickers COME from soccer program.We had 2: kids battle for job last year under long.Our football coaches and Keith and maple can attest get these kids as our Kickers.Kidwell did it with Blair ellenberger, yeast and long too.Our soccer Kickers do soccer all week but just kick on Friday nights. They do both.Smaller schools maybe? I'm saying that if a school did not have soccer they would very likely have more kids playing football. There are good athletes in soccer that could help a football team if soccer was not an option. You nailed it right on the head Dude! That was exactly my point with the Bellevue example. A school that size does not get 88 out for football if there were more sporting options.
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Post by redskinfan04 on May 14, 2017 21:44:06 GMT -5
A few thoughts on Fremont Ross.
1. Hell will freeze before Fremont Ross gets into the SBC. I understand why they want in but it will not happen.
2. Ross would be a top 3-4 wrestling program in the SBC. Ross would be wise to remember the regular losses they take to Oak Harbor in duals.
3. They'd roll the field in swimming.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 5:47:20 GMT -5
A few thoughts on Fremont Ross. 1. Hell will freeze before Fremont Ross gets into the SBC. I understand why they want in but it will not happen. 2. Ross would be a top 3-4 wrestling program in the SBC. Ross would be wise to remember the regular losses they take to Oak Harbor in duals. 3. They'd roll the field in swimming. 1. No sbc! As far ss GATE goes be fun too see, but trac is it. Independent is out of question better off in trac.One must remember 2014 Ross was 7-3 losses to 3 playoff teams 2 highly ranked, elyria, central, Lima sr, finished 2 nd in trac. Lossed to nordonua in first round, nordonia state runner up div.2 .Ross set records by qb slick and probably best team since 2006.Sent 7 kids to div.2.At least in trac, we know where we stand every year!50 kids or not we had around 55-60 2014 2.wrestling Ross won trac defeating longtime power Oregon clay and I believe Ross was ranked in state.Oak harbor , Clyde are longtime powerhouses in sbc and for coach long to have Ross wrestling win trac in his 3 rd year or 4 th can't remember but awesome as a program builder. 3. Swimming sold program as always.Our basketball programs boys and girls.m, other sports so so.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 5:58:07 GMT -5
Keith, I knew you would state what you stated, but most cities/districts comparable to Fremont are mainly landlocked. Of course, Fremont is not. Taking in Socioeconomics/Demographics, my point is Fremont doesn't get many of its Football players outside the city. As far as enrollment discrepancy, again, I remind those of the many years Tiffin was greatly bigger than many of the NOL schools. What's the difference with TC all those years compared to Ross? I would like to know. Maple You must remember I can name boatloads of kids who played at Ross recently from surrounding townships but I don't have all day.Many many of our lineman come from those townships, farming townships, Washington, rice,etc. My boys are from rice township, they both played
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 7:48:19 GMT -5
Good luck this year to sbc.
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Post by sportsjock on May 15, 2017 7:58:52 GMT -5
A few thoughts on Fremont Ross. 1. Hell will freeze before Fremont Ross gets into the SBC. I understand why they want in but it will not happen. 2. Ross would be a top 3-4 wrestling program in the SBC. Ross would be wise to remember the regular losses they take to Oak Harbor in duals. 3. They'd roll the field in swimming. 1. No sbc! As far ss GATE goes be fun too see, but trac is it. Independent is out of question better off in trac.One must remember 2014 Ross was 7-3 losses to 3 playoff teams 2 highly ranked, elyria, central, Lima sr, finished 2 nd in trac. Lossed to nordonua in first round, nordonia state runner up div.2 .Ross set records by qb slick and probably best team since 2006.Sent 7 kids to div.2.At least in trac, we know where we stand every year! 50 kids or not we had around 55-60 20142.wrestling Ross won trac defeating longtime power Oregon clay and I believe Ross was ranked in state.Oak harbor , Clyde are longtime powerhouses in sbc and for coach long to have Ross wrestling win trac in his 3 rd year or 4 th can't remember but awesome as a program builder. 3. Swimming sold program as always.Our basketball programs boys and girls.m, other sports so so. Things may have changed, but I believe Ross rarely dresses freshmen, whereas most of the participating schools in the SBC include freshmen among their varsity. Big difference.
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