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Post by 2112 on Jun 26, 2017 19:16:19 GMT -5
... The second school (Margaretta, Lakota or one not in the conference) may be the move that causes discontent. Oh I don't know... I get the feeling that Margaretta would readily bump up into the Bay since they wouldn't have to play Perkins & Clyde each season. Still thinking the Firelands Conference will fold into the SBC real easy... and when Ross, Genoa, Woodmore & Seneca East all come in we'll have our nice, tidy 8-8-8-8 for football. Lake: Ross, Columbian, Perkins, Clyde, Norwalk, Sandusky, Bellevue, Shelby Bay: PC, Huron, Edison, Genoa, OH, Vermilion, Willard, Margaretta River: Gibby, Lakota, Woodmore, Crestview, New London, South Central, Seneca East, Western Reverse Creek: Danbury, SJCC, SMCC, Calvert, Mapleton, Monroeville, Plymouth, NSP
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 19:20:50 GMT -5
... The second school (Margaretta, Lakota or one not in the conference) may be the move that causes discontent. Oh I don't know... I get the feeling that Margaretta would readily bump up into the Bay since they wouldn't have to play Perkins & Clyde each season. Still thinking the Firelands Conference will fold into the SBC real easy... and when Ross, Genoa, Woodmore & Seneca East all come in we'll have our nice, tidy 8-8-8-8 for football. Lake: Ross, Columbian, Perkins, Clyde, Norwalk, Sandusky, Bellevue, Shelby Bay: PC, Huron, Edison, Genoa, OH, Vermilion, Willard, Margaretta River: Gibby, Lakota, Woodmore, Crestview, New London, South Central, Seneca East, Western Reverse Creek: Danbury, SJCC, SJCC, Calvert, Mapleton, Monroeville, Plymouth, NSP The Firelands isn't folding anytime soon. Why would a stable conference want to mess with this conference that has different schools in different divisions in different sports? 8 is the perfect number of schools for a high school conference
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 26, 2017 21:55:56 GMT -5
I don't see how four separate conferences (divisions) that serve under one umbrella that is the SBC, can maintain a long term sustainability. Perhaps a couple seasons, then I see the formula falling like a deck of cards. I don't see it happening.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 26, 2017 23:14:23 GMT -5
... The second school (Margaretta, Lakota or one not in the conference) may be the move that causes discontent. Oh I don't know... I get the feeling that Margaretta would readily bump up into the Bay since they wouldn't have to play Perkins & Clyde each season. Still thinking the Firelands Conference will fold into the SBC real easy... and when Ross, Genoa, Woodmore & Seneca East all come in we'll have our nice, tidy 8-8-8-8 for football. Lake: Ross, Columbian, Perkins, Clyde, Norwalk, Sandusky, Bellevue, Shelby Bay: PC, Huron, Edison, Genoa, OH, Vermilion, Willard, Margaretta River: Gibby, Lakota, Woodmore, Crestview, New London, South Central, Seneca East, Western Reverse Creek: Danbury, SJCC, SMCC, Calvert, Mapleton, Monroeville, Plymouth, NSP Silliness!! Why in the heck would any school in the Firelands want to travel further West than Plymouth??
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Post by deathfromabove on Jun 26, 2017 23:51:20 GMT -5
Willard, I agree with you on some of the school's in the Firelands would want to travel all the way to the Toledo area. Crestview, Mapleton, New London and South Central and maybe Plymouth wouldn't want to drive that far for any sports considering the amount of time travel, gas and the weather in the winter.
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Post by footballfan on Jun 27, 2017 16:58:27 GMT -5
The SBC doesn't care about the amount of time travel, gas and the weather in the winter!!!! If they did they would try to come up with a league that would play cross over games between the divisions (games that would make sense, like the same size or division the school is) so it would make more sense for the schools to save money. I have to ask, why is the league still the SBC? Why not like the LBRL 21 schools sure isn't close to the original SBC league. Not a big deal just wondered why not change the name to match the new league.
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Post by dolittle on Jun 28, 2017 16:12:45 GMT -5
The SBC doesn't care about the amount of time travel, gas and the weather in the winter!!!! If they did they would try to come up with a league that would play cross over games between the divisions (games that would make sense, like the same size or division the school is) so it would make more sense for the schools to save money. I have to ask, why is the league still the SBC? Why not like the LBRL 21 schools sure isn't close to the original SBC league. Not a big deal just wondered why not change the name to match the new league. The NOL came to the SBC looking to enter the SBC, that is why the name. I beleive outside of football most of the non-league games are cross over.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 16:18:19 GMT -5
Why do some NOL fans see this change as a merger when in fact the news schools all joined the SBC. There is not a reason for a name change when the SBC was and is still alive. The NOL and the SRL are the leagues that did not survive.
thanks for the pm.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 28, 2017 23:47:11 GMT -5
The SBC doesn't care about the amount of time travel, gas and the weather in the winter!!!! If they did they would try to come up with a league that would play cross over games between the divisions (games that would make sense, like the same size or division the school is) so it would make more sense for the schools to save money. I have to ask, why is the league still the SBC? Why not like the LBRL 21 schools sure isn't close to the original SBC league. Not a big deal just wondered why not change the name to match the new league. No one is saying the SBC cares about travel. THE point is why should the nice tidy 8 school close knit FC join the SBC Mega Whatchamacallit that stretches from Vermilion to close to Toledo.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 28, 2017 23:49:46 GMT -5
Why do some NOL fans see this change as a merger when in fact the news schools all joined the SBC. There is not a reason for a name change when the SBC was and is still alive. The NOL and the SBC are the leagues that did not survive. If the SBC did not survive, why is there currently a conference that is called the SBC??
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 28, 2017 23:52:40 GMT -5
Willard, I agree with you on some of the school's in the Firelands would want to travel all the way to the Toledo area. Crestview, Mapleton, New London and South Central and maybe Plymouth wouldn't want to drive that far for any sports considering the amount of time travel, gas and the weather in the winter. Why would WR, St.Paul and Monroeville might want to travel to the Toledo area?
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Post by deathfromabove on Jun 29, 2017 1:27:41 GMT -5
Willard, I should have said if the firelands did break up the five southern schools wouldn't want to travel that far away but the northern schools might want to join considering that the only other option is east of them and that the vast majority of the schools over there are d-5. Western Reserve might want to go that way but I don't think (and there I go again trying to think ) they will. They like bring the big school in a small league. I hope that will clear some of cobwebs out of my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 6:58:56 GMT -5
The FC seems very stable and not looking for change. The SBC on the other hand.... may be changing over the next few years.
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Post by kingmartinez on Jun 29, 2017 10:28:20 GMT -5
Shelby looks to be going to the MOAC from all indications. Hopewell will be the next consideration for the SBC. Assuming both moves happen, Willard will be in the Bay and the alignment will be 6-6-8 for 2018-19. If Shelby stays for two years it is likely 6-7-8 for 2018-19.
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Post by ScottT on Jun 29, 2017 10:52:28 GMT -5
Shelby looks to be going to the MOAC from all indications. Hopewell will be the next consideration for the SBC. Assuming both moves happen, Willard will be in the Bay and the alignment will be 6-6-8 for 2018-19. If Shelby stays for two years it is likely 6-7-8 for 2018-19. Assuming that's correct, is someone else joining the MOAC as well? It's already eight-team conference. And to be quite frank, the MOAC doesn't seem any more stable than the SBC. Joining Ontario, Clear Fork and Galion seems appealing, but trips to Marion, Union and Delaware counties don't seem as appealing. One could argue it's almost a lateral move...
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Post by kingmartinez on Jun 29, 2017 11:31:50 GMT -5
Shelby looks to be going to the MOAC from all indications. Hopewell will be the next consideration for the SBC. Assuming both moves happen, Willard will be in the Bay and the alignment will be 6-6-8 for 2018-19. If Shelby stays for two years it is likely 6-7-8 for 2018-19. Assuming that's correct, is someone else joining the MOAC as well? It's already eight-team conference. And to be quite frank, the MOAC doesn't seem any more stable than the SBC. Joining Ontario, Clear Fork and Galion seems appealing, but trips to Marion, Union and Delaware counties don't seem as appealing. One could argue it's almost a lateral move... Apparently, North Union is following Jonathan Alder to another league. Agree with the lateral move point. Less travel but there is more instability in the MOAC. There may be moving pieces in the SBC but it's a stable group of schools. Sometimes you do not know what you are getting into until after you're in it and I believe that is what will happen if Shelby makes that move.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jun 29, 2017 13:39:01 GMT -5
The SBC should change it's name to the Northern Ohio Federation. The SBC was about to disband when Margaretta left then a bunch of schools that are not located in the Sandusky Bay Area but are located in Northern Ohio came and saved the day by offering up a way to keep those SBC schools together instead of disbanding.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 29, 2017 16:38:40 GMT -5
Shelby looks to be going to the MOAC from all indications. Hopewell will be the next consideration for the SBC. Assuming both moves happen, Willard will be in the Bay and the alignment will be 6-6-8 for 2018-19. If Shelby stays for two years it is likely 6-7-8 for 2018-19. Assuming that's correct, is someone else joining the MOAC as well? It's already eight-team conference. And to be quite frank, the MOAC doesn't seem any more stable than the SBC. Joining Ontario, Clear Fork and Galion seems appealing, but trips to Marion, Union and Delaware counties don't seem as appealing. One could argue it's almost a lateral move... There is only one MOAC school in Delaware country. For Shelby the average travel time to MOAC schools is 46 minutes. The average travel time to Bay Division schools is 67 minutes. There are no Shelby "rivals" in the Bay Division. The MOAC offers 2 former NOL schools, an adjoining school district and a school they have played many times in basketball and football over the years. Obviously the MOAC would be much more "appealing" than the Bay Division. Another "unappealing" aspect of the SBC for Shelby is they MUST play a different set of schools in basketball than they MUST play in football.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 29, 2017 19:20:11 GMT -5
Assuming that's correct, is someone else joining the MOAC as well? It's already eight-team conference. And to be quite frank, the MOAC doesn't seem any more stable than the SBC. Joining Ontario, Clear Fork and Galion seems appealing, but trips to Marion, Union and Delaware counties don't seem as appealing. One could argue it's almost a lateral move... Apparently, North Union is following Jonathan Alder to another league. Agree with the lateral move point. Less travel but there is more instability in the MOAC. There may be moving pieces in the SBC but it's a stable group of schools. Sometimes you do not know what you are getting into until after you're in it and I believe that is what will happen if Shelby makes that move. It's been reported that NU took a vote and is staying in the MOAC for the time being. Just because you might want to follow a school doesn't mean it's possible. The new league has to want you, the league must have an opening.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 29, 2017 19:29:49 GMT -5
Shelby looks to be going to the MOAC from all indications. Hopewell will be the next consideration for the SBC. Assuming both moves happen, Willard will be in the Bay and the alignment will be 6-6-8 for 2018-19. If Shelby stays for two years it is likely 6-7-8 for 2018-19. Willard in the Bay Division means it is not likely they'll have winning basketball and football teams in the foreseeable future. The River Division was their hopes for .500 or better records, the deciding factor in joining the SBC.
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Post by kingmartinez on Jun 29, 2017 20:28:32 GMT -5
Assuming that's correct, is someone else joining the MOAC as well? It's already eight-team conference. And to be quite frank, the MOAC doesn't seem any more stable than the SBC. Joining Ontario, Clear Fork and Galion seems appealing, but trips to Marion, Union and Delaware counties don't seem as appealing. One could argue it's almost a lateral move... There is only one MOAC school in Delaware country. For Shelby the average travel time to MOAC schools is 46 minutes. The average travel time to Bay Division schools is 67 minutes. There are no Shelby "rivals" in the Bay Division. The MOAC offers 2 former NOL schools, an adjoining school district and a school they have played many times in basketball and football over the years. Obviously the MOAC would be much more "appealing" than the Bay Division. Another "unappealing" aspect of the SBC for Shelby is they MUST play a different set of schools in basketball than they MUST play in football. It would only be a matter of a short time before Shelby would be in the Lake Division which offsets the issues you mention and it also gives them back three long-standing rivalries. We shall see. Always expect the unexpected.
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Post by wallacefan on Jun 29, 2017 20:28:35 GMT -5
Apparently, North Union is following Jonathan Alder to another league. Agree with the lateral move point. Less travel but there is more instability in the MOAC. There may be moving pieces in the SBC but it's a stable group of schools. Sometimes you do not know what you are getting into until after you're in it and I believe that is what will happen if Shelby makes that move. It's been reported that NU took a vote and is staying in the MOAC for the time being. Just because you might want to follow a school doesn't mean it's possible. The new league has to want you, the league must have an opening. Willard- Thats not playing correct. It is scheduled to be voted on at the North Union Board Meeting on July 17th. Unless something has changed since earlier this month. That's was the plan.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 29, 2017 20:31:46 GMT -5
It's been reported that NU took a vote and is staying in the MOAC for the time being. Just because you might want to follow a school doesn't mean it's possible. The new league has to want you, the league must have an opening. Willard- Thats not playing correct. It is scheduled to be voted on at the North Union Board Meeting on July 17th. Unless something has changed since earlier this month. That's was the plan. That's good news! I'd take Shelby over NU in the MOAC any day.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 29, 2017 20:33:36 GMT -5
There is only one MOAC school in Delaware country. For Shelby the average travel time to MOAC schools is 46 minutes. The average travel time to Bay Division schools is 67 minutes. There are no Shelby "rivals" in the Bay Division. The MOAC offers 2 former NOL schools, an adjoining school district and a school they have played many times in basketball and football over the years. Obviously the MOAC would be much more "appealing" than the Bay Division. Another "unappealing" aspect of the SBC for Shelby is they MUST play a different set of schools in basketball than they MUST play in football. It would only be a matter of a short time before Shelby would be in the Lake Division which offsets the issues you mention and it also gives them back three long-standing rivalries. We shall see. Always expect the unexpected. AHH, but that makes them the smallest school in the Lake Division, when they would be the 3rd largest in the MOAC.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 7:03:04 GMT -5
Oh the times are a changin. When this all settles it maybe in 5 years from now.
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Post by birchbarlow on Jun 30, 2017 14:19:17 GMT -5
I don't see how four separate conferences (divisions) that serve under one umbrella that is the SBC, can maintain a long term sustainability. Perhaps a couple seasons, then I see the formula falling like a deck of cards. I don't see it happening. Don't you mean like a "house of cards"? People need to understand that these multiple division conferences are designed for uncertainty. The whole point of having all these divisions is that if one, two or a group of teams leave, then the rest of the teams could potentially survive and just realign. Conference stability is not really a thing anymore. Even 8 team conferences are folding or changing. So instead of trying to find the unicorn of a perfect combination of 8 teams, conferences are looking for something that can be flexible and that can withstand change.
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Post by 2112 on Jul 1, 2017 12:32:00 GMT -5
I don't see how four separate conferences (divisions) that serve under one umbrella that is the SBC, can maintain a long term sustainability. Perhaps a couple seasons, then I see the formula falling like a deck of cards. I don't see it happening. Ever hear of the Ohio Valley Athletic Conference? The OVAC has 51 schools spanning OHSAA divisions I thru VII. The schools are divided into 5 divisions (AAAAA thru A) by size. They realign every once in awhile as enrollments change. The OVAC has been around since 1943. Check'em out: www.ovac.orgSmall conferences in-between large metro areas almost always struggle because schools in these areas usually have to pick from either local conferences containing schools of disparate sizes or conferences that involve lots of travel. As boards change, the attitudes about which is the right model changes, and so there is typically lots of conference instability in rural areas. The schools in the OVAC solved this problem by coming together for the long haul. There's no reason the SBC can't duplicate that success. In other words, there can be strength in numbers as long as everyone is willing to trade some of their personal desires for that strength. The longevity of any conference depends on this. If you're not willing to compromise, then you don't belong in any conference.
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Post by Observer on Jul 1, 2017 21:09:43 GMT -5
2112 well said!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 22:02:53 GMT -5
For 1 example that works we could all probably find 6 example were larger than 8 team leagues have fallen apart.
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Post by 2112 on Jul 2, 2017 9:51:05 GMT -5
For 1 example that works we could all probably find 6 example were larger than 8 team leagues have fallen apart. Indeed. Failure is crucial to all innovation and invention. Mistakes are key to all learning. And practice is the mother of all skill. I realize today's world is one of entitlement & know-it-alls and that the very idea of failing or even making mistakes is taboo, but rest assured we'd never have what we do as a society today if it weren't for those pioneers who braved failure before us.
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