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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 18, 2017 11:51:05 GMT -5
Maybe Harbaugh should have hired Wilson. Speight, U of M's starting QB from last year, was 9 of 28 in their spring game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 18, 2017 16:30:39 GMT -5
For those that are all excited about Kevin Wilson getting more 40 yard passes thrown weren't really watching the game. Of the 71 passes thrown in the spring game, only 5 were were completions thrown further than 20 yards downfield.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 18, 2017 18:16:23 GMT -5
If anyone thinks spring games offer any coherent view of the offense and defense to open the season, they are foolish. Spring game objectives are to keep it simple, reveal little and avoid injuries.
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Post by 4 on Apr 20, 2017 0:29:08 GMT -5
It actually can show who can break up a pass or hit a leading receiver consistently. It shows the little things. But I'f anyone interested go on go90.com and watch show qb1 it showcases Tate martell, Georgia freshman Fromm, and wake forest freshman Bowers through there senior high school seasons and life too. Good show. It's free as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 5:31:16 GMT -5
If anyone thinks spring games offer any coherent view of the offense and defense to open the season, they are foolish. Spring game objectives are to keep it simple, reveal little and avoid injuries. It's a glorified practice for fans to see players in action before the real season begins. The fans who argue and post using spring game references need to be reminded many on the field that day will never play after August.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 20, 2017 15:24:32 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see the new twists in Wilson's playbook. My guess, most of it won't be revealed before the Oklahoma game. Nobody should have a better feel for Wilson's tendencies than the Hoosier's. With better talent and skill-sets to work with, I would imagine there are a lot more things he will attempt and accomplish than what he was able to do at Indiana.
It's great to see an OC who emits emotion and fire, attributes that should transmit into his players.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 20, 2017 23:21:44 GMT -5
There will be no "Wilson's playbook". He wasn't hired to install a new offense. Urban Meyer is still head coach. It will still be the Urban Meyer play book of his Spread Read Option Offense. There will be a few new Wilson pass plays added and WRs will be taught to run routes of current pass plays differently. I'm interested to see how Wilson's play calling will mesh with what Urban wants called.
In total there will not be a lot more pass plays called. Urban has always said he wants a 50-50 break down between pass and run. If you believe that there's a bridge over the Olentangy River I will sell you. In games against huge under dogs, as always it will be around 60-40 pass to run. In big games there will be more run plays than pass plays. More just have to be completed.
THE first thing that must happen is an improvement in the O-line play. OSU must have success running the ball to set up play action passes for Ohio State's offense to be successful. And improvement in pass blocking so there is time to complete passes.
There's a difference between "fire and emotion" and berating players and every other word out of your mouth being F**k you and F**k this. If he is unable to change that, he won't be at Ohio State long.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 21, 2017 8:19:55 GMT -5
There will be no "Wilson's playbook". He wasn't hired to install a new offense. Urban Meyer is still head coach. It will still be the Urban Meyer play book of his Spread Read Option Offense. There will be a few new Wilson pass plays added and WRs will be taught to run routes of current pass plays differently. I'm interested to see how Wilson's play calling will mesh with what Urban wants called. In total there will not be a lot more pass plays called. Urban has always said he wants a 50-50 break down between pass and run. If you believe that there's a bridge over the Olentangy River I will sell you. In games against huge under dogs, as always it will be around 60-40 pass to run. In big games there will be more run plays than pass plays. More just have to be completed. THE first thing that must happen is an improvement in the O-line play. OSU must have success running the ball to set up play action passes for Ohio State's offense to be successful. And improvement in pass blocking so there is time to complete passes. There's a difference between "fire and emotion" and berating players and every other word out of your mouth being F**k you and F**k this. If he is unable to change that, he won't be at Ohio State long. I agree.
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 24, 2017 8:18:44 GMT -5
JT looked mehhh at the Spring game. Look for him to run run run like he did last season and barely throw a ball downfield past 8 yards.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 24, 2017 10:21:48 GMT -5
JT had a higher completion % than Burrow or Haskins and played against the 1st string DBs. While Burrow and Haskins played against the 2nd and 3rd string DBs. You are partially correct though. Whether it's JT, Burrow or Haskins at QB. There will still be more running plays than pass plays.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 24, 2017 17:22:20 GMT -5
2017 Spring Game Attendance:
80,134- Ohio State 78,312- Nebraska 74,326- Alabama 71,000- Penn State 66,183- Georgia 60,000- Clemson 57,418- Michigan 48,000- Florida
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 24, 2017 19:48:39 GMT -5
JT had a higher completion % than Burrow or Haskins and played against the 1st string DBs. While Burrow and Haskins played against the 2nd and 3rd string DBs. You are partially correct though. Whether it's JT, Burrow or Haskins at QB. There will still be more running plays than pass plays. Because Barrett can't throw. That's why all our 4-star WR recruits suck and turn pro. It's why Noah Brown went pro. It's why Jalin Marshall went pro. He knew his stock would only drop with JT "Uncle Charlie" Barret shucking oysters under center.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 24, 2017 23:58:39 GMT -5
Yep, Urban Meyer and his .910 winning % and two National Championships should be fired. Since HIS Spread Read Option Offense is first predicated on down hill running in the A-gaps. Secondly on read option plays by his QB. Finally, after the success of the run game, play action passes succeed. IF the O-line pass protects with success and consistency.
Regardless of who Urban's QB has been or will be, there will be more running than throwing.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Apr 25, 2017 7:51:14 GMT -5
Did noodle arm Barrett even throw a single ball over 8 yards downfield in the Spring game? When is the last time Noodle arm stretched the defense in any game? He chooses not to throw the ball down field which lets the defense collapse on the offense and produces 0 points in a Playoff game. Barrett single handily lost OSU the 2015 game vs MSU when he choose to throw all dump passes (nothing downfield), and Barrett thought that he was a great RB and stopped giving #15 the ball. ONE, yes ONE simple 12 yard throw over the middle vs MSU would have went for a TD. MSU brought their safeties all the way up but Noodle arm Barrett didn't have the arm strength to throw it 12 yards down field over the middle over their safeties that were at the LOS.
Who cost OSU the MSU game - Noodle arm Who forced OSU into 0 points vs a mediocre Clemson defense - Noodle arm
OSU has NFL talent all over the field while their opponents have 3 or 4 NFL players our of their 22 starters. The only guy not going pro in OSU's 22 is JT Noodle Arm Barrett.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Apr 25, 2017 7:56:07 GMT -5
Almost all of Urban's losses at OSU have been with JT Barrett as the QB.
Cardale went undefeated as a starter. Braxton Miller went 24-2 as a starter for Urban. His losses were in games where he put up 24 & 35 points, defenses fault. JT losses all the time and produces 0 points, 14 points, etc. Pathetic offensive displays in those losses.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 25, 2017 11:33:53 GMT -5
Cardale Jones went undefeated as a started for the most part thanks to Devin Smith making world class catches of most of his jump ball passes in the last 3 games of the season after JT broke his leg. ALSO due to the OSU O-line maturing into the best O-line in Urban's time at OSU. ALSO due to the best defense in Urban's time at OSU. ALSO due to Zeke maturing into arguably THE best Tailback in OSU history. Cardale being given credit for those 3 wins is laughable. He was but ONE player on a very good National Championship TEAM coached by some great coaches.
When Cardale made the poor decision to come back for his Senior year and was given the reins to the offense, he did such a poor job that just over half way through the season rusty "noodle" arm beat him out. Your memory is as short as your middle leg. Do a little research and watch games from the start of the National Championship season. Freshman JT beat out Junior Cardale in just 2 weeks after Braxton messed up his shoulder. No noodle arm in the games leading up to his broken leg.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Apr 25, 2017 13:16:37 GMT -5
Cardale Jones went undefeated as a started for the most part thanks to Devin Smith Cardale only played 3 games with Devin Smith. Cardale was 11-0 as a starter. When Cardale made the poor decision to come back for his Senior year and was given the reins to the offense Cardale left after his junior year, he didn't return for his senior season. Freshman JT beat out Junior Cardale in just 2 weeks after Braxton messed up his shoulder. Cardale was a Super Soph not a junior that year. Tell us when Noodle Arm last threw a ball down field? There is a reason why OSU scored 0 points vs a mediocre Clemson Defense. Noodle arm wouldn't stretch their defense There is a reason why OSU struggled vs Michigan. Noodle arm wouldn't stretch their defense There is a reason why OSU escaped vs a 3 win MSU team. Noodle arm wouldn't stretch their defense. ^^^ That all just happened last year, JT's 4th year on campus. Now it's JT's 5th year on campus and he played in a Spring game where once again he couldn't/wouldn't throw the ball down field. When is the last time Noodle arm threw the ball down field?
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 25, 2017 13:29:54 GMT -5
Freshman Barrett > Current Barrett
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Post by 4 on Apr 25, 2017 15:40:40 GMT -5
Forsure ^ But let's just hope Barrett does well, and if he doesn't. Don't see him lasting all year. He WILL have to throw the ball down field.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 25, 2017 18:28:13 GMT -5
Deep throwing finalists at Spring Game.....Cardale Jones vs. J.T.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 25, 2017 20:07:05 GMT -5
JT had a higher completion % than Burrow or Haskins and played against the 1st string DBs. While Burrow and Haskins played against the 2nd and 3rd string DBs. You are partially correct though. Whether it's JT, Burrow or Haskins at QB. There will still be more running plays than pass plays. Because Barrett can't throw. That's why all our 4-star WR recruits suck and turn pro. It's why Noah Brown went pro. It's why Jalin Marshall went pro. He knew his stock would only drop with JT "Uncle Charlie" Barret shucking oysters under center. Fifteen 4 or 5 Star WRs have played for Urban at OSU. How many are in the NFL?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 25, 2017 20:15:29 GMT -5
Did noodle arm Barrett even throw a single ball over 8 yards downfield in the Spring game? When is the last time Noodle arm stretched the defense in any game? He chooses not to throw the ball down field which lets the defense collapse on the offense and produces 0 points in a Playoff game. Barrett single handily lost OSU the 2015 game vs MSU when he choose to throw all dump passes (nothing downfield), and Barrett thought that he was a great RB and stopped giving #15 the ball. ONE, yes ONE simple 12 yard throw over the middle vs MSU would have went for a TD. MSU brought their safeties all the way up but Noodle arm Barrett didn't have the arm strength to throw it 12 yards down field over the middle over their safeties that were at the LOS. Who cost OSU the MSU game - Noodle arm Who forced OSU into 0 points vs a mediocre Clemson defense - Noodle arm OSU has NFL talent all over the field while their opponents have 3 or 4 NFL players our of their 22 starters. The only guy not going pro in OSU's 22 is JT Noodle Arm Barrett. Noodle brian, these are the stats from the spring game. 42% of JT's passes were further than 10 yards down field. 49% of the other QB's passes were further than 10 yards down field. Noodle brains don't do research, they just blather incessantly. Does noodle brain know what pass plays were called? Does noodle brian know if WR's were open down field? Only a noodle brian would want passes thrown downfield for the hell of it, regardless what the primary receiver was or if a receiver was open down field. Only noodle brains think one out of 100 players on a roster plus 10 coaches, was the sole reason for a loss.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 25, 2017 20:29:28 GMT -5
Cardale Jones went undefeated as a started for the most part thanks to Devin Smith Cardale only played 3 games with Devin Smith. Cardale was 11-0 as a starter. When Cardale made the poor decision to come back for his Senior year and was given the reins to the offense Cardale left after his junior year, he didn't return for his senior season. Freshman JT beat out Junior Cardale in just 2 weeks after Braxton messed up his shoulder. Cardale was a Super Soph not a junior that year. Tell us when Noodle Arm last threw a ball down field? There is a reason why OSU scored 0 points vs a mediocre Clemson Defense. Noodle arm wouldn't stretch their defense There is a reason why OSU struggled vs Michigan. Noodle arm wouldn't stretch their defense There is a reason why OSU escaped vs a 3 win MSU team. Noodle arm wouldn't stretch their defense. ^^^ That all just happened last year, JT's 4th year on campus. Now it's JT's 5th year on campus and he played in a Spring game where once again he couldn't/wouldn't throw the ball down field. When is the last time Noodle arm threw the ball down field? DO NOT misquote, it makes you look worse than a noodle brain. My exact words were about Cardale and Devin Smith in the last 3 games of the year. After stating 8 games the following year Cardale was so horrid that he was replaced by "noodle arm ". Cardale left after his red shirt Senior year. Cardale was a red shirt Junior when a red shirt Freshman beat him out in just 2 weeks of practice after Braxton went down. The last time JT threw the ball "down field" was in the spring game. 42% of his passes were "down field". 49% of the other QB's passes in the spring game were "down field". It's a noodle brain myth that ANY Ohio State QB will be chucking up LONG passes this year just because Wilson is now the O-coordinator for the URBAN MEYER SPREAD READ OPTION OFFENSE. Proven by the pass plays in the spring game. 73 passes thrown, only 11 were 20+ yards or longer. Of the 73 passes thrown, 41 were 0-9 yards. FIRE URBAN!!Don't be a noodle brain. Do the research instead of just blathering.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 25, 2017 21:03:37 GMT -5
Freshman Barrett > Current Barrett "Current" Barrett has only been seen in 3 series of a spring game.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 25, 2017 23:18:49 GMT -5
First and foremost, J.T. Barrett is a leader and a winner.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Apr 26, 2017 6:19:26 GMT -5
Freshman Barrett > Current Barrett 100% correct. He has progressively got worse and worse. Now he doesn't even attempt to throw the ball down field. We all know a downfield pass is 20+ yards, except for the Noodle arm apologists. JT through the years 87.1 ADJ QBR - Freshman 76.9 ADJ QBR - Sophomore 68.0 ADJ QBR - Junior How Bad will he be this year? JT in his last 3 games 38.1 ADJ QBR vs Mich St 69.4 ADJ QBR vs Michigan 39.9 ADJ QBR vs Clemson DeShaun Watson who we want our QB to be like had a: 93.4 ADJ QBR in ACC Champ game vs VT 91.8 ADJ QBR in Fiesta Bowl vs Ohio State 92.4 ADJ QBR in NC Game vs Alabama The last time Noodle Arm threw a pass down field (20+ yards is downfield in everyone's eyes except Fillmore, Fillmore thinks 10 yard throws stretch the field, roflmao) was probably the Oklahoma game last year.
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 26, 2017 7:19:23 GMT -5
Burrow is the future and Urban should play him this year over JT. JT is done. Make him a safety or slot WR.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 26, 2017 8:13:12 GMT -5
Burrow is the future and Urban should play him this year over JT. JT is done. Make him a safety or slot WR. Some of the comments on here from several of you is quite laughable. Absurdities abound from one post to the next and your unwarranted hatred grows for J.T. First and foremost, J.T. will benefit by the fact Ed Warriner and Tim Beck are gone. This years offense should see a dramatic improvement under the tutelage of Urban Meyer, Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day, and it will greatly benefit our starting QB J.T. Barrett. No, Barrett is not destined for the bench, unless injury would rear it's ugly head, he is much too valuable to this offense and to this team. The 2016 'Griese-Breese QB of the Year' and 1st Team All-Big Ten quarterback will be adding to his legacy of 7 OSU and 1 Big Ten records holder in 2017. Yes, J.T. is the leader of this team and a tremendous mentor for the younger QB's. Besides his diversified offensive threat to opposing defenses, J.T. rarely turns the ball over, throwing only 21 INT's in 840 attempts over his three year career (10 of which were in his 1st season under center). Passing is but one element of his game, the most feared is certainly his ability to see the field and make things happen with his feet, as 2,500 yards will attest. J.T. Barrett is our QB and our team leader in 2017.....get used to it and enjoy the ride.
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Post by ronburgandy on Apr 26, 2017 9:13:25 GMT -5
Burrow is the future and Urban should play him this year over JT. JT is done. Make him a safety or slot WR. I don't agree with this comment, however I'd argue that Haskins is the future. Just my guess but when Barrett graduates I think Haskins is the next starter.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Apr 26, 2017 10:08:42 GMT -5
Burrow is the future and Urban should play him this year over JT. JT is done. Make him a safety or slot WR. Some of the comments on here from several of you is quite laughable. Absurdities abound from one post to the next and your unwarranted hatred grows for J.T. First and foremost, J.T. will benefit by the fact Ed Warriner and Tim Beck are gone. This years offense should see a dramatic improvement under the tutelage of Urban Meyer, Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day, and it will greatly benefit our starting QB J.T. Barrett. No, Barrett is not destined for the bench, unless injury would rear it's ugly head, he is much too valuable to this offense and to this team. The 2016 'Griese-Breese QB of the Year' and 1st Team All-Big Ten quarterback will be adding to his legacy of 7 OSU and 1 Big Ten records holder in 2017. Yes, J.T. is the leader of this team and a tremendous mentor for the younger QB's. Besides his diversified offensive threat to opposing defenses, J.T. rarely turns the ball over, throwing only 21 INT's in 840 attempts over his three year career (10 of which were in his 1st season under center). Passing is but one element of his game, the most feared is certainly his ability to see the field and make things happen with his feet, as 2,500 yards will attest. J.T. Barrett is our QB and our team leader in 2017.....get used to it and enjoy the ride. JT through the years 87.1 ADJ QBR - Freshman 76.9 ADJ QBR - Sophomore 68.0 ADJ QBR - Junior How Bad will he be this year? JT in his last 3 games 38.1 ADJ QBR vs Mich St 69.4 ADJ QBR vs Michigan 39.9 ADJ QBR vs Clemson The JT that played in the Spring game looked like the JT in his last 3 games of 2016. Noodle arm, scared to throw, starring at his first target, pathetic. I expect the slide to continue and a 62.2 ADJ QBR by JT this year with losses to Oklahoma and Penn State before he gets benched for life. He will never play the QB position again after this season. No NFL team wants a noodle arm QB that can't even progress to his 2nd target.
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