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Post by 4 on Apr 27, 2017 23:49:59 GMT -5
Let's just hope JT does well. We know he has it in him. He holds records for a reason.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2017 23:58:27 GMT -5
YOU say: "Holds the ball all day", A LIE. "Only can make 2 yard throws", A LIE. "Throws bad passes", but has 69 TD passes in 2 1/2 years? "Hasn't thrown downfield once in his career", A LIE. "Inaccurate passer", but has 69 TD passes in 2 1/2 years? "Stares down receivers", WATCH the video. "Pats the ball 3 times", A LIE, not done once in the video. "Doesn't have the arm strength to throw 12 yards", A LIE watch the video. "Scared to throw", how can that be with 69 TD passes? In the video of 59 of the 69 TD passes. The ball was thrown down field 38, 23, 25, 25, 40, 15, 35, 35, 20, 15, 15, 35, 45, 16, 32, 28, 25, 35, 25, 30, 38, 20, 28, 20, 15, 18, 37 and 29 yards. That is where the catch was made, not the run after the catch. Many of the "short" TD passes were made inside the 10 yard line. Thus, way more than half of the TD passes in the video, out of necessity, were made 15-45 yards "downfield". Either little to no football knowledge or a predisposition for prevaricating. Do you REALLY watch Ohio State football games?? If you watch, then like most with little football knowledge, they only watch the QB. You obviously have a fixation. ALL QB coaches will tell you a "cannon" is the least important criteria for a successful QB. They would prefer a QB with an above average arm, that were good to very good in the other skill sets. A strong arm IS NOT just shown by throwing the ball 50 yards. Arm strength is just as important in throwing a 10 yard dart threw a small window for a completion or a swing pass or bubble screen from one hash mark to the other sideline. WATCH THE VIDEO. Also "touch" is every bit as important in many passes. WATCH THE VIDEO. I have seen plenty of QBs with a cannon who didn't have the "touch" required to complete 50% of short passes. NOTICE, not one mention of intellect or leadership qualities. Which for most coaches are at the top of the list for QBs. If you have the nerve to see yourself sound/look bad, WATCH THE VIDEO!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 28, 2017 1:35:42 GMT -5
The 4 games lost in which JT was the starter.
2014 Virginia Tech - The 2nd game of the year. As a Freshman, two weeks after Braxton went down. Only a fool would serious lay blame on a Freshman QB thrown into the fire with ZERO experience.
MSU 2015 - Terrible weather. JT 9 of 16, Tyler O'Conner 8 of 16. Terrible O-line play in this game. MSU 205 rushing yards. If you remember the OSU defense couldn't stop the QB on end runs. Ohio State only had 86 yards rushing. How could anyone with any football knowledge blame only one player on the Ohio State TEAM for the loss??
Penn State 2016 - JT 28 of 43 for 245 yards, Penn State QB 8 of 23 for 154 yards. THE problem in this game? The OSU offensive line. They allowed 6 sacks. AND OSU had 116 yards rushing on 3 plays, BUT only 46 yards on the other 47 carries. RIDICULOUS O-line play. AND Penn State scored 17 points in the 4th quarter. Was the OSU QB playing defense and special teams in the 4th quarter in this game? Only a know nothing football mind would blame the QB in this game.
Clemson 2016 - As bad as the defense and offense played in total, this is the singular most revolting stat for the game on offense. Clemson had 205 yards rushing. Ohio State had 86 yards rushing. 64 yards coming on one play, 24 yards came on the other 22 carries. In the Urban Meyer Spread Read Option Offense it is IMPOSSIBLE to have much of a passing game if there is NO running game. The O-line and the defense that gave of 31 points surely should shoulder some of the blame in this game, instead of just 1 player getting ALL of the blame.
The REAL reoccurring theme in these losses? An atypical Ohio State and atypical Urban Meyer rushing game. If OSU rushes the ball like they should, they would have won the MSU and Penn State games. TEAM wins, with no single player being blamed for losses.
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 28, 2017 5:30:32 GMT -5
yeah u forgot the part where he got suspended before the 2015 MSU loss @ home...and that wasn't Connor Cook running end arounds boss, it was Little Brother's backup QB
maybe you remember...
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Post by Rambo McClain on Apr 28, 2017 6:10:46 GMT -5
MSU 2015 - Terrible weather. JT 9 of 16, MSU NFL QB Conner Cook 8 of 16. Can someone ban this troll? I'm going to assume he makes up all his stats since I know for a fact that Conner Cook never played in that game since he was injured.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 6:22:42 GMT -5
MSU 2015 - Terrible weather. JT 9 of 16, MSU NFL QB Conner Cook 8 of 16. Can someone ban this troll? I'm going to assume he makes up all his stats since I know for a fact that Conner Cook never played in that game since he was injured.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 28, 2017 13:27:20 GMT -5
MSU 2015 - Terrible weather. JT 9 of 16, MSU NFL QB Conner Cook 8 of 16. Can someone ban this troll? I'm going to assume he makes up all his stats since I know for a fact that Conner Cook never played in that game since he was injured. Thanks for pointing out my error, it was the other Conner QB. A 2:30AM quick glance. You got me, 1% of the information and statistics were wrong. The most insignificant 1%. I'll insert the correction to make it 100%. Did you WATCH THE VIDEO?? If not, do you still believe all of your lies and misconceptions?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 28, 2017 13:33:55 GMT -5
yeah u forgot the part where he got suspended before the 2015 MSU loss @ home...and that wasn't Connor Cook running end arounds boss, it was Little Brother's backup QB maybe you remember... I remember that Barrett was the starter in the MSU game. I remember that haters incorrectly give 100% of the blame for the loss to Barrett. Do you want to give that loss to another QB? If so he only has 3 losses in his career.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 28, 2017 18:43:15 GMT -5
yeah u forgot the part where he got suspended before the 2015 MSU loss @ home...and that wasn't Connor Cook running end arounds boss, it was Little Brother's backup QB maybe you remember... I'm surprised you allowed yourself to buy in to the Michigan BS.....the 'little brother' crap. The new 'little brother' has lost 7 of the last 9 games to it's rival in East Lansing. The bigger of the two student population wise is Michigan State (over 50,000 vs. 43,000)
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 28, 2017 19:09:13 GMT -5
i bet you're not much fun at parties
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 28, 2017 19:26:38 GMT -5
Like you're a barrel of monkeys??
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 28, 2017 20:55:50 GMT -5
i bet you're not much fun at parties LOL.....
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Post by DrTorch on Apr 28, 2017 21:32:01 GMT -5
Like you're a barrel of monkeys?? that doesn't sound like much fun to me sir
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 29, 2017 7:14:30 GMT -5
CJ was better than JT, and won 3 huge games in a row and a National Title. JT, wins games but still doesn't have anything to hang his hat on. Is he a nice guy? Sure. Some of you have to stop equating his avg. game play to us thinking he is a horrible person or that we hate him. Nobody said they hate him, but he is just an avg. qb who has totally regressed from year after year. I have little doubt, you want J.T. to prove your skepticism wrong this season. Let's all hope you are transformed from critic to cheerleader by seasons end. One things for certain, all of us will have an entertaining time debating his game by game performance this year. I have waited for 3 years for him to prove me wrong. He is avg. His surrounding stellar talent has made JT's numbers look so good. I think he is a leader. I think he is a really nice young man with more than likely a prospering future in front of him (not in football), but he is just an avg. college qb who can run. His arm is avg. at best and his stats prove that over and over. I look forward to a new qb at OSU.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 7:32:09 GMT -5
i bet you're not much fun at parties He would have to be actually invited to one to know that
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 29, 2017 12:00:56 GMT -5
i bet you're not much fun at parties He would have to be actually invited to one to know that OK guys, ease up......I was invited to a party once...at least they told me it was a party, I was the 'life' of the party....bought 8 Rubbermaid containers.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 29, 2017 12:25:58 GMT -5
CJ was better than JT, and won 3 huge games in a row and a National Title. JT, wins games but still doesn't have anything to hang his hat on. Is he a nice guy? Sure. Some of you have to stop equating his avg. game play to us thinking he is a horrible person or that we hate him. Nobody said they hate him, but he is just an avg. qb who has totally regressed from year after year. *Big Ten 'Freshman of the Year' *2014 'Griese-Breese QB of the Year' (He went down with a broken ankle after throwing for 176 yds. and a TD, while rushing for an additional 89 yds. and two TD's. vs Michigan) *2016 'Griese-Breese QB of the Year' and 1st Team All-Big Ten quarterback OSU Records
*Most Career Touchdowns - 100 *Most Career Passing Touchdowns - 69 *Most Season Total Offense - 3,772 (2014) *Most Season Touchdowns - 45 (2014) *Most Season Passing Touchdowns - 34 (2014) *Most Game Touchdowns - 7 (2016) *Most Game Passing Touchdowns - 6 (2014, 2016) Big Ten Records
*Most Season Total Touchdowns - 45 (2014)
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Post by Rambo McClain on Apr 29, 2017 12:42:28 GMT -5
The REGRESSION of JT Barrett - ADJ QBR 87.1 Freshman - 2nd in the Nation 76.9 Sophomore - 28th in the Nation 68.0 Junior - 45th in the Nation
And he gets to play with: 4 & 5 star O-linemen vs 2 & 3 star opponents 4 & 5 star RBs vs 2 & 3 star opponents 4 & 5 star WRs vs 2 & 3 star opponents
There is a reason why he will not SNIFF the NFL. Craig Krenzel sniffed it. National Champion QB Cardale Jones sniffed it. National Champion QB JT Barrett beat Michigan State that one time as a freshman, then looked like an 8th grader vs MSU as a sophomore and junior when they got more film on him and started making him look horrible.
How much worse is he going to get this year? Can he top the 0 points he put up vs a mediocre Clemson defense?
Pitt put up 43 points vs Clemson - JT Barrett produced 0 Louis put up 36 points vs Clemson - JT Barrett produced 0 VT put up 35 points vs Clemson - JT Barrett produced 0 FSU put up 34 points vs Clemson - JT Barrett produced 0 Alabama put up 31 points vs Clemson - JT Barrett produced 0
A mediocre Clemson defense shut JT Barrett out - Who gets shut out in today's 63-61 shootout type games? Michigan made JT Barrett look like he was blind and in a wheel chair for 3 1/2 quarters MSU has made JT Barrett look like a punk for 2 straight years
What to expect in 2017? A 62.2 ADJ QBR? It's time to move on. As opponents get more film on him the better prepared they are to force him into things he can't do, and he can't do a lot of things. Like throw it down field, progress to his #2 target, etc.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 29, 2017 14:22:51 GMT -5
Once again you show your complete lack of football knowledge. There are 10 coaches and 100 players on a football TEAM. It is doltish to say ONE player is the sole reason for any loss or that a single player is solely responsible for a win. Due to your lack of intellect, you solely blame one player for Ohio State's 4 losses in 3 years, yet you fail to give that same player any credit at all for the 26 wins in which he was a starter. Even you should see how silly that is.
The O-line shouldn't get any blame in the Clemson game? Due to Ohio State only gaining 24 yards on 22 carries??
Another example of ones lack of intellect, is a desire to have a QB get drafted over wins at the college level.
BTW, Ohio State won National Championships in '42, '54, '57, '61, '68 and '70. Only one of those years was the starting QB drafted to play QB in the NFL. In those years there were 17 to 32 rounds to get drafted.
JT should be 1st Team All Big Ten QB for the 3rd year. He would have been 1st Team All Big Ten QB for 4 years if he didn't break his leg. Give us a list of all QBs who have been 1st team All League for 4 years in the Power Five Conferences. If you don't give us a list then you prove no QB has done it.
The only way you can make a point is to resort to LIES. In latest post alone: 1. None of the teams Ohio State played had any 4 or 5 star players on defense. I bet there are FIFTY players drafted from teams OSU played 2. JT looked like an 8th grader vs MSU 3. Clemson had a mediocre defense.....Yet they won the National Championship. DUMB! 4. JT looked blind and in a wheel chair. 5. JT looked like a punk. 6. JT can't throw it down field...... Proven before to be a lie, yet you egregiously use it again. WATCH THE VIDEO! 7. Can't progress to #2 target...... WATCH THE VIDEO!!
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 29, 2017 14:56:39 GMT -5
My point is, J.T. earned & received ALL those accolades and honors, by those who view the individual season performances with an objective and unbiased perspective. Our peers around the conference don't share the skepticism, criticism and negativity that some of you choose to adhere to. Let's all agree, you are in the minority, among Buckeye fans and those without any Buckeye allegiances. The majority opinion is, J.T. Barrett is a very special player and history will be very kind in reference to J.T. Barrett, the record breaking QB for The Ohio State University.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 14:59:05 GMT -5
He would have to be actually invited to one to know that OK guys, ease up......I was invited to a party once...at least they told me it was a party, I was the 'life' of the party....bought 8 Rubbermaid containers. You sure it wasn't a pyramid scheme?
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Post by Rambo McClain on Apr 29, 2017 16:37:21 GMT -5
The majority opinion is, J.T. Barrett is a very special player and history will be very kind in reference to J.T. Barrett So special that he will NOT get drafted. Hey Willard Trollmore, throwing the ball wasn't the thing back in the 1940's or 1970's. Football is about throwing the ball now. Tim Tebow was a 1st round pick. JT Barrett will watch every round go by and not be drafted by any of the 32 teams.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 29, 2017 21:05:18 GMT -5
The majority opinion is, J.T. Barrett is a very special player and history will be very kind in reference to J.T. Barrett So special that he will NOT get drafted. Hey Willard Trollmore, throwing the ball wasn't the thing back in the 1940's or 1970's. Football is about throwing the ball now. Tim Tebow was a 1st round pick. JT Barrett will watch every round go by and not be drafted by any of the 32 teams. Obviously, all your measurements of success are based on everything NFL. I could give a crap what the NFL thinks and does. This is college football, here...now. It goes without saying, a read option QB finds himself at a very real disadvantage when they begin their entry into a total different domain. All we should be concerned with, is his value as it pertains to the advancement of Ohio State University football, nothing else.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 29, 2017 21:10:01 GMT -5
OK guys, ease up......I was invited to a party once...at least they told me it was a party, I was the 'life' of the party....bought 8 Rubbermaid containers. You sure it wasn't a pyramid scheme? Never got roped into those schemes, had a couple friends that did and it was rather humorous the panic calls and running around when they knew the end was at hand. My friendship saw it's limitations...lol
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Post by galion on Apr 30, 2017 2:41:14 GMT -5
There are only 5 linemen on the field and 11 defenders. It's pretty damn difficult to run the ball effectively when the defense doesn't have to respect any ball thrown more than 15 yards down the field and can play everybody up at the LOS. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but Cardale played with the same receiving crew as JT did yet somehow he miraculously managed to find receivers open down the field. Consequently, Zeke absolutely blew up. I'm sure that was just a coincidence though.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 30, 2017 3:42:24 GMT -5
There are only 5 linemen on the field and 11 defenders. It's pretty damn difficult to run the ball effectively when the defense doesn't have to respect any ball thrown more than 15 yards down the field and can play everybody up at the LOS. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but Cardale played with the same receiving crew as JT did yet somehow he miraculously managed to find receivers open down the field. Consequently, Zeke absolutely blew up. I'm sure that was just a coincidence though. As WM pointed out, the highlight video dispels the myth that J.T.'s record setting pass game is primarily 8 to 15 yard dump offs. In order for the 'keep em honest' deep throw to develop, the OL needs to sustain blocks and too often, there were consistent breakdowns last year. The run game sets up the play action pass as a rule for a pro-style QB, not necessarily so with the read option, where the opposite is often the case. When J.T. went down, in the Michigan game, he had amassed 179 passing yards and accumulated over 2,500 yds. up to that point. Cardale's emergence was storybook material, but to make any kind of assumption that the final results (National Championship) would not have come out the same, is totally unfare to J.T. The OL performed to a consistently high level throughout that playoff run.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Apr 30, 2017 7:28:11 GMT -5
^^^ You continue to deny the obvious JT went from the: #2 rated QB in the country as a freshmen #28 rated QB in the country as a sophomore #45 rated QB in the country as a junior
You and Trollmore continue to talk about 2014 as though JT still plays that way. In 2014 teams had not figured out how to defend JT Barrett yet. Teams have JT figured out now and that's why you saw a mediocre Clemson defense hold JT Barrett to 0 points. Teams now know that Noodle Arm Barrett is scared to throw deep so they pack the LOS with defenders, clogging running lanes and clogging JT's favorite throws.
JT will look good when OSU brings out all their 4 & 5 stars players vs 1 & 2 star players on Indiana, but once opponents have any kind of talent on their defense then you see the total duds that JT puts forth on a regular basis now.
JT looked like the greatest QB vs MSU as a freshman Dantonio got a lot of film on JT so by 2015 JT looked pathetic vs MSU as a sophomore JT looked pathetic vs MSU as a junior
JT can't/won't throw it deep and these teams know it and scheme their defenses accordingly.
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Post by tommygunn on Apr 30, 2017 7:32:49 GMT -5
The REGRESSION of JT Barrett - ADJ QBR 87.1 Freshman - 2nd in the Nation 76.9 Sophomore - 28th in the Nation 68.0 Junior - 45th in the Nation And he gets to play with: 4 & 5 star O-linemen vs 2 & 3 star opponents 4 & 5 star RBs vs 2 & 3 star opponents 4 & 5 star WRs vs 2 & 3 star opponents There is a reason why he will not SNIFF the NFL. Craig Krenzel sniffed it. National Champion QB Cardale Jones sniffed it. National Champion QB JT Barrett beat Michigan State that one time as a freshman, then looked like an 8th grader vs MSU as a sophomore and junior when they got more film on him and started making him look horrible. How much worse is he going to get this year? Can he top the 0 points he put up vs a mediocre Clemson defense? Pitt put up 43 points vs Clemson - JT Barrett produced 0 Louis put up 36 points vs Clemson - JT Barrett produced 0 VT put up 35 points vs Clemson - JT Barrett produced 0 FSU put up 34 points vs Clemson - JT Barrett produced 0 Alabama put up 31 points vs Clemson - JT Barrett produced 0 A mediocre Clemson defense shut JT Barrett out - Who gets shut out in today's 63-61 shootout type games? Michigan made JT Barrett look like he was blind and in a wheel chair for 3 1/2 quarters MSU has made JT Barrett look like a punk for 2 straight years What to expect in 2017? A 62.2 ADJ QBR? It's time to move on. As opponents get more film on him the better prepared they are to force him into things he can't do, and he can't do a lot of things. Like throw it down field, progress to his #2 target, etc. Willard Trollmore likes to play both sides of the fence. Cut into JT and he will use the, there are 10 other players on the field with him (per WF), and then he will turn right around and throw up meaningless stats about JT praising him and his gameplay and how he alone is a gamechanger. Point out that CJ played 3 phenomenal games and literally made game changing plays by himself and he will discredit everything CJ with the same old 10 other players on the field with him and that he basically just threw the ball up in the air for grabs each and every time (which is so far from the truth). I guess all those stellar grabs in the NFL by WR's are just garbage throws by the qb too? WF is a guy who obviously didn't play sports or was not successful at them and has some serious issues with this later in life and is now an EXPERT on everything sports. Lol, what a tool.
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 30, 2017 10:49:27 GMT -5
I'm not nearly as passionate about the QB situation as Tommygun & Rambo, but I can see and understand your points of view. Again, I believe coaches Wilson & Day will have J.T. in the Heisman hunt and the Buckeyes will be favored in every single game they play this year.
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Post by galion on Apr 30, 2017 21:06:40 GMT -5
There are only 5 linemen on the field and 11 defenders. It's pretty damn difficult to run the ball effectively when the defense doesn't have to respect any ball thrown more than 15 yards down the field and can play everybody up at the LOS. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but Cardale played with the same receiving crew as JT did yet somehow he miraculously managed to find receivers open down the field. Consequently, Zeke absolutely blew up. I'm sure that was just a coincidence though. As WM pointed out, the highlight video dispels the myth that J.T.'s record setting pass game is primarily 8 to 15 yard dump offs. In order for the 'keep em honest' deep throw to develop, the OL needs to sustain blocks and too often, there were consistent breakdowns last year. The run game sets up the play action pass as a rule for a pro-style QB, not necessarily so with the read option, where the opposite is often the case. When J.T. went down, in the Michigan game, he had amassed 179 passing yards and accumulated over 2,500 yds. up to that point. Cardale's emergence was storybook material, but to make any kind of assumption that the final results (National Championship) would not have come out the same, is totally unfare to J.T. The OL performed to a consistently high level throughout that playoff run. Storybook material? No, that's what a qb is supposed to do when he is surrounded by top level NFL draft picks.
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