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Post by 1percenter on May 6, 2017 10:37:34 GMT -5
MJ won his 4th NBA Title at the age of 33 MJ won his 5th NBA Title at the age of 34 MJ won his 6th NBA Title at the age of 35 Lebron is 32 and has 3 NBA Titles Some good stats from the Cleveland Plain Dealer, click the link for the Top 20 lists www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2017/05/nba_playoff_all-time_leaders_w.htmlMost Points scored in a Playoff Career 1. 5,987 MJ 2. 5,812 LBJ Most rebounds in a Playoff Career 7. 1,821 LBJ - if LBJ plays another 5/6 years he will finish 4th behind Russell, Wilt, and Duncan MJ doesn't crack the Top 20 Most assists in a Playoff Career 3. 1,399 LBJ - LBJ will probably finish 2nd behind Magic 10. 1,022 MJ Most steals in a Playoff Career 2. 376 MJ 3. 371 LBJ - LBJ needs 24 more steals to tie for #1 with Pippen Most blocks in a Playoff Career 21. 197 LBJ - LBJ might crack the Top 10 if he plays long enough, he needs 53 more MJ doesn't crack the Top 20 either
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Post by 1percenter on May 9, 2017 8:24:42 GMT -5
Lebron thru the Toronto series 5,847 points - 140 more points to catch MJ for most All-Time 1,405 assists 1,830 rebounds 371 steals 198 blocks
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 5:35:23 GMT -5
The MJ and LBJ argument is really to the point of being settled.
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Post by 1percenter on May 20, 2017 12:17:40 GMT -5
Lebron thru game 2 of ECF 5,915 points - 72 more points to catch MJ for most All-Time 1,419 assists 1,843 rebounds 377 steals - passed MJ last night - 18 more to catch Pippen for most All-Time 201 blocks - 9 more to crack top 20 All-Time
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 20, 2017 21:55:15 GMT -5
LeBron has scored over 30 points in 8 straight playoff games, tying MJ's record. Do you suppose LeBron will try to get 30 in the 3rd playoff game against Boston or allow MJ to share the record with him??
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Post by 1percenter on May 26, 2017 7:29:27 GMT -5
Through the ECF 5,995 points - Most All-Time 1,439 assists - 3rd All-Time (400 more to catch John Stockton for 2nd) 1,862 rebounds - 7th All-Time (200 more to catch Karl Malone for 6th) 382 steals - 2nd All-Time (13 more to catch Scottie Pippen for 1st) 204 blocks - 21st All-Time (6 more to catch Mark Eaton for 20th) - The entire Top 20 is Centers and Power Forwards right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 12:00:33 GMT -5
Is there another player that is in the Top 20 of all those stats?
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Post by 1percenter on May 26, 2017 13:02:39 GMT -5
Here are the players that are Top 10 in at least 1 category & Top 20 in 3 or more categories.
Michael Jordan - 6 NBA Titles - 6 Finals #2 Points #3 Steals #10 Assists
Scottie Pippen - 6 NBA Titles - 6 Finals #16 Points #1 Steals #8 Assists #14 Rebounds
Magic Johnson - 5 NBA Titles - 9 Finals #14 Points #1 Assists #4 Steals #18 Rebounds
Larry Bird - 3 NBA Titles - 5 Finals #10 Points #6 Assists #8 Steals #11 Rebounds
Tim Duncan - 5 NBA Titles - 6 Finals #6 Points #1 Blocks #3 Rebounds
Shaquille O'Neal - 4 NBA Titles - 6 Finals #5 Points #4 Rebounds #4 Blocks
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 6 NBA Titles - 10 Finals #3 Points #2 Blocks #5 Rebounds
Karl Malone - 0 NBA Titles - 2 Finals #7 Points #6 Rebounds #15 Steals
Hakeem Olajuwon - 2 NBA Titles - 3 Finals #13 Points #3 Blocks #13 Rebounds #17 Steals
Kobe Bryant - 5 NBA Titles - 7 Finals #4 Points #6 Steals #9 Assists
Lebron James #1 Points #2 Steals #3 Assists #7 Rebounds Lebron has 204 blocks in 212 games. 10th place is 250 blocks. About 4 more years for Lebron to crack the Top 10 there.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 26, 2017 15:59:05 GMT -5
LeBron passed MJ in most Post Season Points after playing in 212 games. MJ played in 179 games.
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Post by 1percenter on May 26, 2017 16:56:39 GMT -5
Lebron passed MJ taking less shots. Lebron more efficient.
MJ's fault he only played in 179 games. MJ didn't share the ball enough and kept getting swept in the 1st round.
1st Example - MJ at 23 years old Game 2 of a series he got swept in - 41 shots by MJ, 6 assists - His famous 63 point game that he's lauded for
2nd Example - MJ at 24 years old Game 1 - 12 of 25 shooting Game 2 - 14 of 29 shooting Game 3 - 9 of 30 shooting MJ swept again.
Lebron at 22 - Younger than MJ before MJ finally figured out passing the ball wins games Game 1 - Lebron only takes 14 shots - Cavs win Instead of Getting swept and taking 30 shots a game. Lebron took way less shots and WON. That got Lebron to the 2nd round, which he did the same. That got Lebron to the ECF which he did the same. That got Lebron to the NBA Finals. Then you hold it against Lebron that he lost in the Finals and played more games.
Lebron played 20 playoff games as a 22 year old. MJ played 3 as a 23 year old. MJ played 3 as a 24 year old. MJ scoring 43 ppg but gets swept in 1st round. Lauded Lebron shares ball gets 17 more games, takes Drew Gooden to Finals. Gets bashed for losing in Finals and taking more games to score as much as MJ
Keep doing what you are doing Lebron. MJ finally won when he passed to Steve Kerr, when he passed to John Paxon, etc.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 26, 2017 21:17:11 GMT -5
I knew that would draw him out. 1% = The latest Vogel. Not MJ's fault that he only played in 179 playoff games. He missed 2 seasons with injures. There are more rounds in the playoffs now, than when Magic, Bird, Kareem and Malone played. There used to be 5 game series. AND MJ got cut from his high school team. MJ wasn't good enough to enter the NBA draft until after 3 years in college. Is there an official NBA playoff individual record for most points scored on fewest shots? If there is, neither LeBron or MJ would hold it. Thus immaterial. Are there ANY official NBA playoff individual records that have to do with the age of a player? List them please. If no list, then immaterial. No where in this thread about NBA playoff individual records has there been a mention of the player's TEAM won/loss records, until now. AND there are no official individual NBA playoff records that have anything to their team's won/loss records. Thus immaterial. BTW, you don't even know the correct spelling of LBJ's first name. It is not Lebron. It is Le Bron. All I did was proffer ONE undeniable FACT. John Adams, our 2nd President, once said. "Facts are stubborn things."
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 22:11:21 GMT -5
Thanks 1%er, those are good numbers and proves no one has ever been we're James is now. Only 6 blocks away from being top 20 in five categories
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on May 27, 2017 6:48:17 GMT -5
There are more rounds in the playoffs now. That is incorrect. The NBA playoffs have been a 16 team 4 round tournament since the 1983-1984 season, and Jordan's first year in the league was the 1984-1985 season.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 9:43:57 GMT -5
There are more rounds in the playoffs now. That is incorrect. The NBA playoffs have been a 16 team 4 round tournament since the 1983-1984 season, and Jordan's first year in the league was the 1984-1985 season. LBJ has scored more points in the playoffs than any other player in NBA history. Enough said.
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Post by Rambo McClain on May 27, 2017 14:59:29 GMT -5
There are more rounds in the playoffs now. That is incorrect. The NBA playoffs have been a 16 team 4 round tournament since the 1983-1984 season, and Jordan's first year in the league was the 1984-1985 season. This site is so much better now that this users posts are labeled 'this post is hidden'. But when you guys quote him then I see what he wrote. Surprise, surprise he made up facts in thin air again. You guys should give him a lifetime ban because every time he posts these made up facts he just brings down the credibility of the site.
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Post by tommygunn on May 27, 2017 17:38:42 GMT -5
Lebron is better.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 27, 2017 21:46:23 GMT -5
That is incorrect. The NBA playoffs have been a 16 team 4 round tournament since the 1983-1984 season, and Jordan's first year in the league was the 1984-1985 season. This site is so much better now that this users posts are labeled 'this post is hidden'. But when you guys quote him then I see what he wrote. Surprise, surprise he made up facts in thin air again. You guys should give him a lifetime ban because every time he posts these made up facts he just brings down the credibility of the site. NO you do not see what was written. You only see 8 out of 200+ words written. Which reduces one's credibility to zero when commenting, due to choosing to read less than 5% of what was written.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 27, 2017 21:47:50 GMT -5
Agree! 3 inches taller, 35 pounds of muscle bigger and faster from one end of the court to the other.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on May 28, 2017 7:16:43 GMT -5
There are more rounds in the playoffs now, than when Magic, Bird, Kareem and Malone played. LOL at the edit, which came a full 24 hours after the initial post, to add those 4 names as if that was somehow the point you were trying to make initially. It's funny for 2 reasons: 1. what does bringing up what things were like for those 4 players have to do with the topic of LeBron vs. Jordan? It's totally irrelevant. 2. you do know that all of those players also played in the 16 team 4 round era, right? Magic played in that system for 9 of his 13 seasons, including 3 of his 5 championships. Bird played in that system for 9 of his 13 seasons, including 2 of his 3 championships. Moses Malone played in that system for 12 of his 21 seasons (unless you meant Karl Malone, who played in that system his entire career.) Kareem played in that system for 6 of his 20 seasons, including 3 of his 6 championships.
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Post by tommygunn on May 28, 2017 7:18:05 GMT -5
Lebron is a better NBA basketball player. He is crushing MJ stats. The only thing MJ may have more is rings at the end, but that is still unknown. If rings are the standard, then MJ isn't the best, he doesn't have the most rings. Lebron >>> MJ. Nuff said.
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Post by 1percenter on May 28, 2017 9:51:10 GMT -5
MJ the Myth/Ghost has gotten a little ridiculous over the years Here are MJ's truly great Finals games Game 2 (1991) .833 (15 of 18) - 33 pts, 13 ast, 7 rebs Game 1 (1991) .583 (14 of 24) - 36 pts, 12 ast, 8 rebs Game 1 (1992) .593 (16 of 27) - 39 pts, 11 ast, 3 rebs - His shoulder shrug, 6 made 3 pt game Game 4 (1993) .568 (21 of 37) - 55 pts, 8 rebs, 4 ast Game 2 (1993) .500 (18 of 36) - 42 pts, 12 rebs, 9 ast MJ was truly a great, but they pretend MJ never had bad games, that MJ never missed shots, that MJ carried his teams to every Finals wins. MJ carried the 1991, 1992 and 1993 Bulls to 3 NBA Titles MJ did NOT carry the 1996, 1997 and 1998 Bulls to 3 NBA Titles - MJ was the best player on those teams but he put up plenty of duds in those Finals Now imagine a world of twitter, facebook, ESPN with guys critiquing everything MJ does to the ghost of MJ and what do you think their response to MJ's Final 3 NBA Titles and MVP's would be: 1996 Finals Game 1 - .500 (9 of 18) Game 2 - .409 (9 of 22) Game 3 - .478 (11 of 23) Game 4 - .316 (6 of 19) Game 5 - .500 (11 of 22) Game 6 - .263 (5 of 19) - Way to close it out MJ - If Lebron did that ... 1997 Finals Game 1 - .481 (13 of 27) Game 2 - .550 (11 of 20) Game 3 - .409 (9 of 22) Game 4 - .407 (11 of 27) - Bulls blow 5 point lead late, b/c MJ turns it over, misses shot, gets beat on D, etc Game 5 - .481 (13 of 27) Game 6 - .429 (15 of 35) - MJ had to pass to win. If Lebron did that ... video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-mozilla-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=mozilla&p=John+Stockton+Game+4+steal+jordan#id=1&vid=fcff5810dc58080e2dca0c7e3bfa0cf0&action=click^^^ Video of MJ looking bad, Stockton looking good in Final 2:30 of Game 4 1998 Finals Game 1 - .448 (13 of 29) Game 2 - .424 (14 of 33) Game 3 - .500 (7 of 14) - Bulls won that won by 42 Game 4 - .444 (12 of 27) Game 5 - .346 (9 of 26) Game 6 - .429 (15 of 35) - MJ also poured in 1 assist, and 1 rebound and pushed off on Final shot. If Lebron did that ...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 28, 2017 12:03:48 GMT -5
There are more rounds in the playoffs now, than when Magic, Bird, Kareem and Malone played. LOL at the edit, which came a full 24 hours after the initial post, to add those 4 names as if that was somehow the point you were trying to make initially. It's funny for 2 reasons: 1. what does bringing up what things were like for those 4 players have to do with the topic of LeBron vs. Jordan? It's totally irrelevant. 2. you do know that all of those players also played in the 16 team 4 round era, right? Magic played in that system for 9 of his 13 seasons, including 3 of his 5 championships. Bird played in that system for 9 of his 13 seasons, including 2 of his 3 championships. Moses Malone played in that system for 12 of his 21 seasons (unless you meant Karl Malone, who played in that system his entire career.) Kareem played in that system for 6 of his 20 seasons, including 3 of his 6 championships. LOL, you do know 1% added a list of past players, that LBJ is challenging for other records? You do know that it came in his FIFTH post, 20 days after his initial post, an after thought? You do know that those players played in years when there were fewer games in the playoffs, as you noted. You do know that it WAS Karl Malone who was 1%'s Malone? Right? Please accept my deepest apologies for my thought that was left out when typing, that raised your ire.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 14:22:22 GMT -5
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Post by 1percenter on May 28, 2017 17:59:37 GMT -5
LOL at the edit, which came a full 24 hours after the initial post, to add those 4 names as if that was somehow the point you were trying to make initially. It's funny for 2 reasons: 1. what does bringing up what things were like for those 4 players have to do with the topic of LeBron vs. Jordan? It's totally irrelevant. 2. you do know that all of those players also played in the 16 team 4 round era, right? Magic played in that system for 9 of his 13 seasons, including 3 of his 5 championships. Bird played in that system for 9 of his 13 seasons, including 2 of his 3 championships. Moses Malone played in that system for 12 of his 21 seasons (unless you meant Karl Malone, who played in that system his entire career.) Kareem played in that system for 6 of his 20 seasons, including 3 of his 6 championships. LOL, you do know 1% added a list of past players, that LBJ is challenging for other records? You do know that it came in his FIFTH post, 20 days after his initial post, an after thought? You do know that those players played in years when there were fewer games in the playoffs, as you noted. You do know that it WAS Karl Malone who was 1%'s Malone? Right? Please accept my deepest apologies for my thought that was left out when typing, that raised your ire. That post you made is completely different now from the one I read before you edited it. You deleted a lot and added a lot. All the deletions and additions had to do with what you got called out on. I'll call you out on another error in that post. MJ didn't miss 2 seasons due to injury. Or in your exact words, "He missed 2 seasons with injures ". Maybe I should tell you injuries has 2 i's not 1. MJ got hurt on October 29, 1985 and returned to the lineup on March 15, 1986. That was the only lengthy injury of his career.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on May 28, 2017 20:06:40 GMT -5
You do know that it WAS Karl Malone who was 1%'s Malone? Right? My bad, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, thinking that you couldn't possibly be dumb enough to include a guy who played a full 100% of his 19 season career in the 16 team 4 round playoff system on your list of guys who supposedly played in an era when there were fewer playoff rounds than today....but you've proven me wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 8:29:57 GMT -5
LOL, you do know 1% added a list of past players, that LBJ is challenging for other records? You do know that it came in his FIFTH post, 20 days after his initial post, an after thought? You do know that those players played in years when there were fewer games in the playoffs, as you noted. You do know that it WAS Karl Malone who was 1%'s Malone? Right? Please accept my deepest apologies for my thought that was left out when typing, that raised your ire. That post you made is completely different now from the one I read before you edited it. You deleted a lot and added a lot. All the deletions and additions had to do with what you got called out on.I'll call you out on another error in that post. MJ didn't miss 2 seasons due to injury. Or in your exact words, "He missed 2 seasons with injures ". Maybe I should tell you injuries has 2 i's not 1. MJ got hurt on October 29, 1985 and returned to the lineup on March 15, 1986. That was the only lengthy injury of his career. The spin doctor is still at it. I'll say it again, I am so much happier reading and posting on this site that has a blocking feature.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 29, 2017 12:12:49 GMT -5
You do know that it WAS Karl Malone who was 1%'s Malone? Right? My bad, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, thinking that you couldn't possibly be dumb enough to include a guy who played a full 100% of his 19 season career in the 16 team 4 round playoff system on your list of guys who supposedly played in an era when there were fewer playoff rounds than today....but you've proven me wrong. Your bad?? You're the only one allowed to have a "my bad"? My thinking was that you couldn't possibly be "dumb" enough to be such a poor reader or in such a hurry to put down, that you did not notice it was KARL in 1%'s list. There is no "supposedly", your verified the fact. Remember?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 29, 2017 12:20:49 GMT -5
That post you made is completely different now from the one I read before you edited it. You deleted a lot and added a lot. All the deletions and additions had to do with what you got called out on.I'll call you out on another error in that post. MJ didn't miss 2 seasons due to injury. Or in your exact words, "He missed 2 seasons with injures ". Maybe I should tell you injuries has 2 i's not 1. MJ got hurt on October 29, 1985 and returned to the lineup on March 15, 1986. That was the only lengthy injury of his career. The spin doctor is still at it. I'll say it again, I am so much happier reading and posting on this site that has a blocking feature. If it was a true blocking feature one wouldn't have the joy of still being able to read 1% of what's written. If one TRULY wanted to read 0%, why read the 1%? I surmise it allows one to still make put downs while claiming to be happy about a blocking feature. ROFL.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 29, 2017 12:52:07 GMT -5
LOL, you do know 1% added a list of past players, that LBJ is challenging for other records? You do know that it came in his FIFTH post, 20 days after his initial post, an after thought? You do know that those players played in years when there were fewer games in the playoffs, as you noted. You do know that it WAS Karl Malone who was 1%'s Malone? Right? Please accept my deepest apologies for my thought that was left out when typing, that raised your ire. That post you made is completely different now from the one I read before you edited it. You deleted a lot and added a lot. All the deletions and additions had to do with what you got called out on. I'll call you out on another error in that post. MJ didn't miss 2 seasons due to injury. Or in your exact words, "He missed 2 seasons with injures ". Maybe I should tell you injuries has 2 i's not 1. MJ got hurt on October 29, 1985 and returned to the lineup on March 15, 1986. That was the only lengthy injury of his career. I make after the fact changes to almost every post I type. I click on the Create Post tab and read what was just written and it looks different than my thoughts while typing. It looks different even after reading what was written before I click the Create Post tab. I'm a lousy hunt and peck typist. I'm used to having a secretary proof read, make changes to and type my correspondences. They are very important, big time savers, for those lucky enough to have them. Since you "call out" what I wrote because you "know" I deleted "a lot" and added "a lot", prove it. Since you "know" the reason, prove it. Otherwise you're just making unfounded accusations. According to NBA.com, MJ only played in 18 games in the 85-86 season and 17 games in the 94-95 season. There goes that "call out". Your "call out" of a typo on a sports web site is all you have. I missed that one. Congrats. Enjoyment derived from a "call out" is an inimicable human trait.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 20:30:51 GMT -5
That post you made is completely different now from the one I read before you edited it. You deleted a lot and added a lot. All the deletions and additions had to do with what you got called out on.I'll call you out on another error in that post. MJ didn't miss 2 seasons due to injury. Or in your exact words, "He missed 2 seasons with injures ". Maybe I should tell you injuries has 2 i's not 1. MJ got hurt on October 29, 1985 and returned to the lineup on March 15, 1986. That was the only lengthy injury of his career. The spin doctor is still at it. I'll say it again, I am so much happier reading and posting on this site that has a blocking feature. I did not remember MJ missing much of his career due to injuries. Take out his baseball vacation and I always felt he played
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