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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 4:50:16 GMT -5
Standings after week 10:
8-2, 5-1 Ashland 8-2, 5-1 Mansfield Senior 5-5, 5-1 Wooster 4-6, 3-3 Mount Vernon 3-7, 2-4 West Holmes 2-8, 1-5 Lexington 0-10, 0-6 Madison
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 16, 2017 18:40:14 GMT -5
Don't expect Senior's back up QB this year to be the starter at QB next year. I hear Bradley has recruiting a replacement.
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Post by averagejoe on Nov 17, 2017 7:55:50 GMT -5
Don't expect Senior's back up QB this year to be the starter at QB next year. I hear Bradley has recruiting a replacement. you make me laugh every time I read your misleading posts. a correct post would say that an area parent has approached the coaching about bringing their son to Mansfield to play football. and the parent has been talking like this for 2 years.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 17, 2017 15:29:16 GMT -5
You make us laugh at how little you know about OHSAA Bylaws
It is illegal per OHSAA Bylaws for a parent or legal guardian to contact or talk to a coach at another school about their student athlete until AFTER he/she is enrolled at the new school and the next school year has started.
If what you say is true about a two year conversation, the OHSAA will not allow the student athlete to play for the new school. AND head coaches will at the least be suspended for multiple games, the number depending on the severity of the violation.
BTW, the parent or legal guardian would be wise to transfer their student athlete before the start of the 9th grade. That way the athlete would not have to sit out half the games played in each sport he/she had competed in the prior year.
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Post by averagejoe on Nov 20, 2017 8:55:17 GMT -5
You make us laugh at how little you know about OHSAA Bylaws It is illegal per OHSAA Bylaws for a parent or legal guardian to contact or talk to a coach at another school about their student athlete until AFTER he/she is enrolled at the new school and the next school year has started. If what you say is true about a two year conversation, the OHSAA will not allow the student athlete to play for the new school. AND head coaches will at the least be suspended for multiple games, the number depending on the severity of the violation. BTW, the parent or legal guardian would be wise to transfer their student athlete before the start of the 9th grade. That way the athlete would not have to sit out half the games played in each sport he/she had competed in the prior year. Are you making up bylaws for OHSAA. Show me in the bylaws where it says a parent or legal guardian cannot contact a coach at another school? OHSAA has no authority over the actions of a parent. I'm sure with all his success Bradley talks to a lot of parents outside of mansfield students.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 20, 2017 15:50:24 GMT -5
You're right, the OHSAA can't punish a parent or legal guardian. Since they can't be punished they can call or initiate a conversation, BUT they risk punishment for their student athlete. If they do contact AND the coach talks to them about transferring. Then the student athlete, who is the pawn, and coaches and schools are punished. The OHSAA does have the authority to punish them and do.
Someone called Joe Balogh about enrolling their basketball player at Ontario. He told them he was hanging up because he was not allowed to talk to them about transferring, OR anything about their son since he was a basketball player, until after he was enrolled at Ontario. He should know the rules quite well after 30+ years. And obviously is much more ethical than Bradley, since YOU tell us he talks a lot to parents about transferring.
Ask galiontiger about contact with his son before changing school districts.
OHSAA Bylaw 4-9, is the one that I didn't make up and you're not knowledgeable about. Do your homework.
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Post by averagejoe on Nov 21, 2017 7:44:42 GMT -5
4-9 covers recruiting, not a parent talking to a coach. don't be so blind, your coach is not as clean as you think. there is no rule about talking to parents.
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 21, 2017 12:07:08 GMT -5
Averagejoe: Willard is right. I don't know the rule number but when I coached 6th. grade football for St. Paul's and the grade school teams where being part of the football program we was told by John Livengood that we can not talk to anybody about having their kid play for St. Paul's even if they come up to us and started the conversation. They are to transfer the kid before anybody from the sports dept. can discuss them playing ball. The only thing I can see is maybe you should call OHSAA in Columbus and get the answer from the horses mouth.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 21, 2017 13:51:25 GMT -5
4-9 covers recruiting, not a parent talking to a coach. don't be so blind, your coach is not as clean as you think. there is no rule about talking to parents. PAY ATTENTION, to further guidance in this area about the Bylaw I didn't make up. As I said, the OHSAA has no control over what parents do, so them initiating contact is not a violation, BUT if the coach contacted has a conversation with them about their student athlete, it is considered "recruiting" by the OHSAA and could cost him as much as losing his job and not being able to coach at another school for a period of time. Could cost the athlete up to a one year suspension from athletics. Could disallow the team from as much as competing in post season play. Could put the school on probation for a period of close scrutiny. The following is THE answer to the question of what a coach should do to avoid "recruiting" penalties if contacted by a parent or guardian of an athlete. "The coach is obligated to immediately disclose this contact to a school administrator and cease all contact with the parents or prospective student until acceptance and or enrollment into the school where the coach is approved to work." You better inform Bradley of the potential problems he has based on you saying that "He's been talking to this parent for a couple of years about bringing his son to Mansfield to play football." and "Due to his success talks to a lot of parents outside of mansfield student[sic]." BTW, the more "success" a coach has the faster he has to get away from a parent that wants to talk about transfering his son or daughter to play for you.
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Post by averagejoe on Nov 22, 2017 16:53:35 GMT -5
4-9 covers recruiting, not a parent talking to a coach. don't be so blind, your coach is not as clean as you think. there is no rule about talking to parents. PAY ATTENTION, to further guidance in this area about the Bylaw I didn't make up. As I said, the OHSAA has no control over what parents do, so them initiating contact is not a violation, BUT if the coach contacted has a conversation with them about their student athlete, it is considered "recruiting" by the OHSAA and could cost him as much as losing his job and not being able to coach at another school for a period of time. Could cost the athlete up to a one year suspension from athletics. Could disallow the team from as much as competing in post season play. Could put the school on probation for a period of close scrutiny. The following is THE answer to the question of what a coach should do to avoid "recruiting" penalties if contacted by a parent or guardian of an athlete. "The coach is obligated to immediately disclose this contact to a school administrator and cease all contact with the parents or prospective student until acceptance and or enrollment into the school where the coach is approved to work." You better inform Bradley of the potential problems he has based on you saying that "He's been talking to this parent for a couple of years about bringing his son to Mansfield to play football." and "Due to his success talks to a lot of parents outside of mansfield student[sic]." no what you said was Nov 17, 2017 15:29:16 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:
It is illegal per OHSAA Bylaws for a parent or legal guardian to contact or talk to a coach at another school about their student athlete until AFTER he/she is enrolled at the new school and the next school year has started. and that is incorrect. you have already admitted the OHSAA has not control over what a parent does.
and you may want to try reading again. i didn't tell you the parent has been talking to a coach for 2 years. I said the parent has been talking like this for 2 years.
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Post by averagejoe on Nov 22, 2017 17:10:10 GMT -5
Averagejoe: Willard is right. I don't know the rule number but when I coached 6th. grade football for St. Paul's and the grade school teams where being part of the football program we was told by John Livengood that we can not talk to anybody about having their kid play for St. Paul's even if they come up to us and started the conversation. They are to transfer the kid before anybody from the sports dept. can discuss them playing ball. The only thing I can see is maybe you should call OHSAA in Columbus and get the answer from the horses mouth. because a st paul coach told you not to talk to parents means nothing. your example shines to mr livengood running a good sports department but does not define the rules of OHSAA. the OHSAA has absolutely no control over 6th graders. recruiting concerns begin after being in 7th grade. and even after that private schools have exceptions to the rule which allows them to talk to kids not attending their school. I know a horses mouth and talk to him often.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 22, 2017 18:52:30 GMT -5
PAY ATTENTION, to further guidance in this area about the Bylaw I didn't make up. As I said, the OHSAA has no control over what parents do, so them initiating contact is not a violation, BUT if the coach contacted has a conversation with them about their student athlete, it is considered "recruiting" by the OHSAA and could cost him as much as losing his job and not being able to coach at another school for a period of time. Could cost the athlete up to a one year suspension from athletics. Could disallow the team from as much as competing in post season play. Could put the school on probation for a period of close scrutiny. The following is THE answer to the question of what a coach should do to avoid "recruiting" penalties if contacted by a parent or guardian of an athlete. "The coach is obligated to immediately disclose this contact to a school administrator and cease all contact with the parents or prospective student until acceptance and or enrollment into the school where the coach is approved to work." You better inform Bradley of the potential problems he has based on you saying that "He's been talking to this parent for a couple of years about bringing his son to Mansfield to play football." and "Due to his success talks to a lot of parents outside of mansfield student[sic]." no what you said was Nov 17, 2017 15:29:16 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:
It is illegal per OHSAA Bylaws for a parent or legal guardian to contact or talk to a coach at another school about their student athlete until AFTER he/she is enrolled at the new school and the next school year has started. and that is incorrect. you have already admitted the OHSAA has not control over what a parent does.
and you may want to try reading again. i didn't tell you the parent has been talking to a coach for 2 years. I said the parent has been talking like this for 2 years.I used the incorrect conjunction, should have been AND instead of OR. It IS illegal for parent or legal guardian to contact AND talk to a coach at another school. It takes 2 to have a "talk" other than when one is talking to a wall. The conversation is illegal. As I have said FOUR TIMES there is nothing the OHSAA can do to the parent, but there is A LOT the OHSAA can do to the athlete, the coach and the school when they "talk" about the athlete transferring. UNLESS the coach is tantamount to the proverbial wall. Being like a "wall", the coach must turn his back when approached and walk away, immediately telling an Administrator about being approached and never talk to that parent again until AFTER his son or daughter has enrolled at his school. Is that what Bradley has done? What you type strongly suggests otherwise. AND is what I've heard from the "horses mouth".
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 22, 2017 18:55:52 GMT -5
there is no rule about talking to parents. Proof of how little you know about the OHSAA Bylaws. This discussion has been about parents of athletes talking to coaches at other schools. Unless they're talking about the weather or the price of tea in China. It's an OHSAA violation
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 22, 2017 19:01:08 GMT -5
You make us laugh at how little you know about OHSAA Bylaws It is illegal per OHSAA Bylaws for a parent or legal guardian to contact or talk to a coach at another school about their student athlete until AFTER he/she is enrolled at the new school and the next school year has started. If what you say is true about a two year conversation, the OHSAA will not allow the student athlete to play for the new school. AND head coaches will at the least be suspended for multiple games, the number depending on the severity of the violation. BTW, the parent or legal guardian would be wise to transfer their student athlete before the start of the 9th grade. That way the athlete would not have to sit out half the games played in each sport he/she had competed in the prior year. I'm sure with all his success Bradley talks to a lot of parents outside of mansfield students.Your words, as poorly written as they are...... Illegal per the OHSAA
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 22, 2017 19:01:55 GMT -5
an area parent has approached the coaching about bringing their son to Mansfield to play football. and the parent has been talking like this for 2 years. Your words, as poorly written as they are.... Illegal per the OHSAA
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 22, 2017 19:07:56 GMT -5
Averagejoe: Willard is right. I don't know the rule number but when I coached 6th. grade football for St. Paul's and the grade school teams where being part of the football program we was told by John Livengood that we can not talk to anybody about having their kid play for St. Paul's even if they come up to us and started the conversation. They are to transfer the kid before anybody from the sports dept. can discuss them playing ball. The only thing I can see is maybe you should call OHSAA in Columbus and get the answer from the horses mouth. because a st paul coach told you not to talk to parents means nothing. your example shines to mr livengood running a good sports department but does not define the rules of OHSAA. the OHSAA has absolutely no control over 6th graders. recruiting concerns begin after being in 7th grade. and even after that private schools have exceptions to the rule which allows them to talk to kids not attending their school. I know a horses mouth and talk to him often. You are SO SO clueless. A coach of a 6th grade team, if he was placed in that position by a high school coach, dare not talk to a parent of a player suggesting which school's 7th grade he/she should attend to play a sport. There is nothing wrong about talking about which school's 6th grade an athlete should attend, but it is illegal to suggest what 7th grade or higher an athlete should attend to play a sport.
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 22, 2017 21:49:48 GMT -5
because a st paul coach told you not to talk to parents means nothing. your example shines to mr livengood running a good sports department but does not define the rules of OHSAA. the OHSAA has absolutely no control over 6th graders. recruiting concerns begin after being in 7th grade. and even after that private schools have exceptions to the rule which allows them to talk to kids not attending their school. I know a horses mouth and talk to him often. You are SO SO clueless. A coach of a 6th grade team, if he was placed in that position by a high school coach, dare not talk to a parent of a player suggesting which school's 7th grade he/she should attend to play a sport. There is nothing wrong about talking about which school's 6th grade an athlete should attend, but it is illegal to suggest what 7th grade or higher an athlete should attend to play a sport. Thank you Willard that is what I was trying to get across to him but I guess that I was doing a good job of it. But anyway John Livengood did tell each and every coach that we represent St. Paul's school and football program and we can not go out and talk to any kids or their parents even if they came to us and ask about transferring to St. Paul's to play football we where told that we can not talk to them about that unless they have already transfer. Unlike the public schools like the Jr. Truckers, we were associated with the school and had to follow school policy of the school and the OHSAA rules. Better go back and talk to Mr. Ed again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 22:59:57 GMT -5
You are SO SO clueless. A coach of a 6th grade team, if he was placed in that position by a high school coach, dare not talk to a parent of a player suggesting which school's 7th grade he/she should attend to play a sport. There is nothing wrong about talking about which school's 6th grade an athlete should attend, but it is illegal to suggest what 7th grade or higher an athlete should attend to play a sport. Thank you Willard that is what I was trying to get across to him but I guess that I was doing a good job of it. But anyway John Livengood did tell each and every coach that we represent St. Paul's school and football program and we can not go out and talk to any kids or their parents even if they came to us and ask about transferring to St. Paul's to play football we where told that we can not talk to them about that unless they have already transfer. Unlike the public schools like the Jr. Truckers, we were associated with the school and had to follow school policy of the school and the OHSAA rules. Better go back and talk to Mr. Ed again. Name a sixth grader, a coach or a school in the state of Ohio that has been busted for recruiting?
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Post by Ramsfan09 on Nov 23, 2017 0:52:55 GMT -5
where is this QB from that might transfer
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 23, 2017 7:59:21 GMT -5
Thank you Willard that is what I was trying to get across to him but I guess that I was doing a good job of it. But anyway John Livengood did tell each and every coach that we represent St. Paul's school and football program and we can not go out and talk to any kids or their parents even if they came to us and ask about transferring to St. Paul's to play football we where told that we can not talk to them about that unless they have already transfer. Unlike the public schools like the Jr. Truckers, we were associated with the school and had to follow school policy of the school and the OHSAA rules. Better go back and talk to Mr. Ed again. Name a sixth grader, a coach or a school in the state of Ohio that has been busted for recruiting? Dude: I do not know of any 6th. grade coach or school that has been busted by OHSAA unless several years ago in Lorain, and I know that I read something about this in the Lorain Journal, that a Elyria Catholic High School ***. football coach was being looked at for talking to, what I believe, was a 6th. graders parents after the game. I don't remember reading anything else about the incident on if the school or coach were disciplined or not since it happen maybe 5 years, more or less, and I don't know where to look or how for the answer. Dude all this is being relied on my old mind trying to remember things and as we know that the older I get my mind starts to lose everything that I remember, what was the question?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 24, 2017 14:16:02 GMT -5
Thank you Willard that is what I was trying to get across to him but I guess that I was doing a good job of it. But anyway John Livengood did tell each and every coach that we represent St. Paul's school and football program and we can not go out and talk to any kids or their parents even if they came to us and ask about transferring to St. Paul's to play football we where told that we can not talk to them about that unless they have already transfer. Unlike the public schools like the Jr. Truckers, we were associated with the school and had to follow school policy of the school and the OHSAA rules. Better go back and talk to Mr. Ed again. Name a sixth grader, a coach or a school in the state of Ohio that has been busted for recruiting? The head coach gets busted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 8:43:52 GMT -5
Name a sixth grader, a coach or a school in the state of Ohio that has been busted for recruiting? Dude: I do not know of any 6th. grade coach or school that has been busted by OHSAA unless several years ago in Lorain, and I know that I read something about this in the Lorain Journal, that a Elyria Catholic High School jack wagon. football coach was being looked at for talking to, what I believe, was a 6th. graders parents after the game. I don't remember reading anything else about the incident on if the school or coach were disciplined or not since it happen maybe 5 years, more or less, and I don't know where to look or how for the answer. Dude all this is being relied on my old mind trying to remember things and as we know that the older I get my mind starts to lose everything that I remember, what was the question? As we can all agree, the OHSAA has no rules against talking to a 6th grader so there would be nobody in trouble. Some schools, as it appears NSP, may have a policy though. I don't remember that article specifically but 5-8 years ago there was a lot of media coverage about the way coaches, HS and College, were going after the younger player. IMO this has created the boom in recruiting sites and the increase of combines, showcases and testing in the off season. Congratulations to Ashland, Mansfield and Wooster on winning the OCC football title.
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 27, 2017 18:09:05 GMT -5
Dude: I don't believe I saw that article but it sounds like it was a good one. To bad that most of the schools, mainly the big city schools, catholic and public, don't have a rule like what either John Livengood or the school it self has then and even enforces it then there would not be all these accusations going on than. But I guess if we did like that we might have a boring site here and nobody would be arguing about all this. By the way I think it was hudson27 posted on here and ask if anybody knows where the QB came from that started this post. Dude, I also like the way you and I ended this part of the subject on a friendly note. We may not see eye to eye, and may not on some subjects, but we did on a this and still can call each other friends.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 8:15:01 GMT -5
Those type of policies are what the OHSAA wanted as they have no way to police the bylaws they provide to their members. Many schools are only HS members so the JH programs are left out of those rules. Reality is some parents talk to some coaches on occasion and only some times is it a rule breaking act and most people know this but try to create a drama but claim innocence in their own back yard. And because of that many of us on here laugh out loud.
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 28, 2017 17:56:09 GMT -5
Those type of policies are what the OHSAA wanted as they have no way to police the bylaws they provide to their members. Many schools are only HS members so the JH programs are left out of those rules. Reality is some parents talk to some coaches on occasion and only some times is it a rule breaking act and most people know this but try to create a drama but claim innocence in their own back yard. And because of that many of us on here laugh out loud. Boy howdy, you sure got that right.
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Post by Ramsfan09 on Nov 30, 2017 19:54:19 GMT -5
A player from Madison told me the Jamie Masi has stepped down as head coach of football. This is great news to Madison ears. I’m sure he is a good guy but he isn’t a good coach at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 21:32:37 GMT -5
And a former coach is returning?
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 30, 2017 22:36:16 GMT -5
And a former coach is returning? Come on son give, give us a name on who this coach might be.
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Post by galion on Dec 1, 2017 0:38:50 GMT -5
Hawkins has applied for that job before.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 10:06:08 GMT -5
And a former coach is returning? Come on son give, give us a name on who this coach might be. I have no inside info only asking a question since Conway, the former coach, is still employed at Madison.
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