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Post by mcm1019 on Oct 26, 2017 10:14:11 GMT -5
If you're going to play in travel leagues, that's typically the way it's done. The new SBC youth league does allow for "B" teams this year, but I'm not sure how many schools will take advantage of the offer. I can tell you that it's difficult to find gym time for all of your teams...boys/girls varsity, boys/girls JV, boys/girls frosh, boys/girls 8th, boys/girls 7th, boys/girls 6th, boys/girls 5th, boys/girls 4th...that's 16 teams needing time. At least some cities still have Rec programs, where kids that don't make the travel team can still play and continue to improve. Just the nature of the beast.
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Post by crimson5 on Oct 26, 2017 19:02:34 GMT -5
[br. The phrases you emboldened are evident in the way he interacts with the athletes, whether one on one or in a group setting, the words that come out of his mouth when praising kids, the words that come out of his mouth when upset with kids, the actions he takes when discipline is needed, etc, I don't need a won/loss record to validate my belief that he is a "leader" in every sense of the word, he is a man of high integrity and character, he is old school with enough new school to make it work, will it reflect in Wins? proof is in the pooding, regardless he will make my son and the athletes that play for him better men Give some examples how the previous head coaches DID NOT not make their players "better men". Don't spin my words Filmore, I NEVER said the previous coach did not or would not make his athletes better men. I've had enough interactions with the previous coach and his players to confidently state the new coach does things differently.......and in my opinion......the players will respond to his methods much more favorably. I'm not going to list specifics, it's just my opinion.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 26, 2017 21:19:28 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear you think the previous coaches also had a hand in making his players better men.
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Post by decodable on Oct 27, 2017 7:36:41 GMT -5
Wow, I find it funny that some of you want to doubt (bash) Willard's new coach for doing things differently than the previous coach, I find it more funny that you want to defend the previous coach for not doing the things the new coach is doing, fact is the new coach knows immensely more about discipline, accountability, mentoring, integrity, etc than the previous coach, previous coach had very little to do with youth program (fact), new coach spends as much time in the off season as he can (without neglecting JV/Varsity teams), this new coach has already done things (6 months) to lay groundwork for years to come that the old coach would have never dreamed of, will he win in 2017.....probably not to his wishes, will he win in 2018, 19, etc, I would wager yes, It's coming and the haters can't stop it! After talking with some other adults in Willard, there have been some items misconstrued. I have nothing against the new coach or what he is doing, and applaud his efforts. There are a lot of facts about the previous coach, and a ton of assumptions as well. 1. The previous coach was the assistant at the time that this new youth program was started. He was also the one that attended the meetings in place of the head coach. The leaders then only wanted 1 team for each grade level with no more than 8-10 kids. He was against this from the onset, and was told they needed to do this because trying to find coaches was difficult. He wanted as many kids participating as possible. 2. He did not segregate the kids with 2 teams in different leagues either. His son was asked to play on the team he did as a 2nd grader. He did not put the team together, go to practices, or coach the team. He went and watched his kid play just like other parents. 3. He asked the previous AD and current Super if he could take over the youth program a year or two into his stint. Was adamantly told that he was not allowed to do this. In no way was the youth program allowed to be associated with the school system. Because of this people associated with the youth program that his child was not in, thought he wanted nothing to do with youth program. If you remember before the consoldiation into one school, he with the prevous head coach started Biddy Ball program for the 3-6 graders. 4. Since his frist day he told the all of the youth program coaches that he would put on a clinic with high schoolers, hold chalkboard talks, and allowed any of the teams to attend practice. All they had to do was set up a day and time for the meetings, or notify him when they wanted to attend practices. He also provided them a small playbook for them to use. Lastly you talk about discipline, accountability, mentoring, integrity regarding the previous coach. I had seen some of their games and did not see any of these items lacking from the previous coach. People need to remember that discipline and accountability start at home. We have a world currently that wants someone else to raise our kids and instill values in them, this way parents can be friends with their children and blame others. Before people blow up at that comment, I am talking about every parent in every town. I see this with certain parents in every city/town that I have been in.
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Post by crimson5 on Oct 27, 2017 15:03:27 GMT -5
Wow, I find it funny that some of you want to doubt (bash) Willard's new coach for doing things differently than the previous coach, I find it more funny that you want to defend the previous coach for not doing the things the new coach is doing, fact is the new coach knows immensely more about discipline, accountability, mentoring, integrity, etc than the previous coach, previous coach had very little to do with youth program (fact), new coach spends as much time in the off season as he can (without neglecting JV/Varsity teams), this new coach has already done things (6 months) to lay groundwork for years to come that the old coach would have never dreamed of, will he win in 2017.....probably not to his wishes, will he win in 2018, 19, etc, I would wager yes, It's coming and the haters can't stop it! After talking with some other adults in Willard, there have been some items misconstrued. I have nothing against the new coach or what he is doing, and applaud his efforts. There are a lot of facts about the previous coach, and a ton of assumptions as well. 1. The previous coach was the assistant at the time that this new youth program was started. He was also the one that attended the meetings in place of the head coach. The leaders then only wanted 1 team for each grade level with no more than 8-10 kids. He was against this from the onset, and was told they needed to do this because trying to find coaches was difficult. He wanted as many kids participating as possible. 2. He did not segregate the kids with 2 teams in different leagues either. His son was asked to play on the team he did as a 2nd grader. He did not put the team together, go to practices, or coach the team. He went and watched his kid play just like other parents. 3. He asked the previous AD and current Super if he could take over the youth program a year or two into his stint. Was adamantly told that he was not allowed to do this. In no way was the youth program allowed to be associated with the school system. Because of this people associated with the youth program that his child was not in, thought he wanted nothing to do with youth program. If you remember before the consoldiation into one school, he with the prevous head coach started Biddy Ball program for the 3-6 graders. 4. Since his frist day he told the all of the youth program coaches that he would put on a clinic with high schoolers, hold chalkboard talks, and allowed any of the teams to attend practice. All they had to do was set up a day and time for the meetings, or notify him when they wanted to attend practices. He also provided them a small playbook for them to use. Lastly you talk about discipline, accountability, mentoring, integrity regarding the previous coach. I had seen some of their games and did not see any of these items lacking from the previous coach. People need to remember that discipline and accountability start at home. We have a world currently that wants someone else to raise our kids and instill values in them, this way parents can be friends with their children and blame others. Before people blow up at that comment, I am talking about every parent in every town. I see this with certain parents in every city/town that I have been in. A fair post, if all your info is accurate (which I have no reason to think otherwise). I'm looking to the future. I'm finished with the tiresome dialogue about the previous coach. He did the best he could with what he had to work with, it wasn't good enough according to the Board......and a lot of the community.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 5:37:08 GMT -5
If history shows us anything it can be that a parents approval is based on their kids treatment, not so much if the actions are right or wrong. It sounds like the previous coach and the current coach are doing things somewhat similar it may only be the sales pitch that has changed.
If true or not let's call this finished and move on to the 2017-18 SBC season. For those that can begin this week. For those that cannot, they will have to catch up.
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Post by willardfan on Nov 2, 2017 17:02:01 GMT -5
One last thing on Long, stop acting like he had no talent and little to work with. He had plenty of talent his first 3 years and did little to nothing with it. His player development was awful with no summer stuff as well. He was a poor coach bottom line. The new coach will do much better with way less talent!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 17:12:48 GMT -5
One last thing on Long, stop acting like he had no talent and little to work with. He had plenty of talent his first 3 years and did little to nothing with it. His player development was awful with no summer stuff as well. He was a poor coach bottom line. The new coach will do much better with way less talent! excluding Robinson who did he have?
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Post by willardfan on Nov 2, 2017 17:27:36 GMT -5
One last thing on Long, stop acting like he had no talent and little to work with. He had plenty of talent his first 3 years and did little to nothing with it. His player development was awful with no summer stuff as well. He was a poor coach bottom line. The new coach will do much better with way less talent! excluding Robinson who did he have? Ebert, Moore, Keaton and Robinson should have been plenty of talent to at least compete for a NOL title.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 17:30:01 GMT -5
excluding Robinson who did he have? Ebert, Moore, Keaton and Robinson should have been plenty of talent to at least compete for a NOL title. lmao ok dad
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Post by ronswanson on Nov 2, 2017 18:38:18 GMT -5
Willardfan must not pay too close of attention to the NOL then. Robinson’s senior year the league was loaded with Ontario, Sandusky, and even Shelby. No way they were competing for a title and who was helping Robinson that year? And willardfan if I remember correctly, during Ebert’s senior year Moore quit halfway through the season. You really need to move on and stop bringing up a past coach, he has nothing to do with this season. Enjoy this season with your new coach.
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 3, 2017 0:37:02 GMT -5
I lost track, who would be competitive in each division of the SBC.
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Post by antoniograpeseed on Nov 3, 2017 6:49:42 GMT -5
please get back on track with the thread title..
im updating my sbc champions...
Lake: Norwalk
Bay: Margaretta
River: St. Mary’s
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 3, 2017 13:43:00 GMT -5
I think this year is going to be very exciting time. There is going to be a lot of teams battling for top prize in each of their respected division. In the LAKE: I see Norwalk, Sandusky, and Shelby but we can't forget that Bellevue, Clyde, and Perkins would put their 2 cents in. Tiffin sorry but I don't see anything coming up from you, maybe down the road with some more experience under your belt you would have something say about who is going to win. In the BAY: I see Huron, Edison and Port Clinton battling it out for first. Vermilion, Oak Harbor both of you would defiantly have something to say about who wins. Willard and Margeretta you both have new coaches and it's going to take time to get used to it but you will and hopefully soon. In the RIVER: I see Sandusky St. Mary's, Tiffin Calvert, along with New Riegel and Old Fort taking it out on each other on who will get first. Lakota and Fremont St. Joe's you will be battling for the basement. Sorry about that but it's going to be a couple of years before you can really make some noise. Well there's how I see the conference would turn out this year. Now everybody in their corners and come out fighting and taking your best shots at me.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 3, 2017 19:46:49 GMT -5
excluding Robinson who did he have? Ebert, Moore, Keaton and Robinson should have been plenty of talent to at least compete for a NOL title. Did you see Norwalk, Sandusky Shelby and Ontario play the past 4 years?
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Post by antoniograpeseed on Nov 3, 2017 20:00:47 GMT -5
I think this year is going to be very exciting time. There is going to be a lot of teams battling for top prize in each of their respected division. In the LAKE: I see Norwalk, Sandusky, and Shelby but we can't forget that Bellevue, Clyde, and Perkins would put their 2 cents in. Tiffin sorry but I don't see anything coming up from you, maybe down the road with some more experience under your belt you would have something say about who is going to win. In the BAY: I see Huron, Edison and Port Clinton battling it out for first. Vermilion, Oak Harbor both of you would defiantly have something to say about who wins. Willard and Margeretta you both have new coaches and it's going to take time to get used to it but you will and hopefully soon. In the RIVER: I see Sandusky St. Mary's, Tiffin Calvert, along with New Riegel and Old Fort taking it out on each other on who will get first. Lakota and Fremont St. Joe's you will be battling for the basement. Sorry about that but it's going to be a couple of years before you can really make some noise. Well there's how I see the conference would turn out this year. Now everybody in their corners and come out fighting and taking your best shots at me. Don’t disagree on lake For Bay PC will be horrible. Vermilion will be top 2-3. Margaretta does not have a new coach. For river smcc should run away wirh it and even they aren’t better than the worst Bay team. Rest of those teams are pretty bad
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 3, 2017 23:58:36 GMT -5
Antonio, I thought that I read some where that Margeretta hired a new head coach about the same time they did for the girls. But whom am I to argue with? In the BAY: I also thought that Port Clinton was having some key players coming back and that Vermilion graduated a good portion of theirs. Is there a way you can find that out for me please. In the RIVER: I knew that St. Mary's was loaded this year but I also knew that Calvert, New Reigel, and Old Fort usually always reload every year so that is why I put them in for the hunt of the title. Either way it looks like we are going to some good and exciding games this year, don't you agree.
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Post by cbus on Nov 4, 2017 6:18:38 GMT -5
deathfromabove wrote: In the LAKE: I see Norwalk, Sandusky, and Shelby but we can't forget that Bellevue, Clyde, and Perkins would put their 2 cents in. ----------------------- This may be the first positive thing written about Bellevue basketball in the last 7 years.
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 5, 2017 0:12:01 GMT -5
cbus, I knew about all the problems they had gone through but I think that is all behind them now. The only problem that I see, and believe me it's a nice one to have, is that the farther the football team goes the longer it's going to take for the bball team to get on the floor. Best of luck to you Bellevue.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 5, 2017 14:06:30 GMT -5
Bellevue lost their 6-7 forward from last year. Definitely their go to guy. They had a LOT of athletic size on their JV team last year. As has been the case of late they were a conundrum last year. Looking great one game, then no so much the next. Last year at Bellevue they beat Ontario varsity in a close game and destroyed their JVs. At Ontario they lost the varsity game by 18 and even more surprising Ontario's JVs won by 12. Truly a case of the old "depends on which team shows up".
I think Shelby will surprise this year. They lost most of their smallish, quick 3-point shooters, but will have more size than they've had in years.
Sandusky lost more than anyone in the league with TEN seniors graduating and their best player since Scott May. They might have the best player returning in the other Williams.
dfa, did Norwalk make it out of football season healthy this year? If they did, they could compete for a title, but I don't know if I'd go as far as to say they're the favorite.
As you implied, other than TC, The Lake should be very competitive.
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Post by dump on Nov 6, 2017 10:07:05 GMT -5
Lake- Sandusky will win this division. Keith Williams and Tahj Staveskie are the two best players in the division. Norwalk will be solid. Haraway is one of the best players in the league
Bay- Huron. Tough team. Hurst is a stud. Lot of good role players.
River- St. Mary's
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 6, 2017 13:34:47 GMT -5
Willard, Norwalk did ,finally, come out of football fairly healthy this year. They just have a few bumps and bruises which usually heal very quickly. I'm sorry about this but maybe I should of said one of the favorites. I could see how it might of looked like I meant Norwalk as just the favorite, My fault. I for one am very glad that we are continually going to play against each other. Those Ontario/Norwalk games are a very good way to see on how your team is going to do during the season. They sure have been some good hard fought games weren't they. Good luck this year Willard and I hope Ontario takes the MOAC this year and we would see each other in the tournaments.
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Post by ronburgandy on Nov 6, 2017 13:39:13 GMT -5
Bellevue will have two pretty good guards in Ruhlman and Waskieles(sp?) and their JV team last year was pretty good and huge(one of the biggest overall JV teams I've seen in a long time). Not that height always equates to success but it sure can help.
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Post by deathfromabove on Nov 6, 2017 14:05:20 GMT -5
Dump: You are right on Hurst being a stud, that boy sure can play. I see him as their go to player and if he has matured more this year he would be the one who also would start directing the team and calming them down when things get out of hand. Huron will be going far into the play-offs this year. Dump, I would also like to compliment you writing a very good article about your Tigers. It was nice, short, and to the point and you did not raise an issue about them. You have come a long way from when you first started on the site. Keep it up and please keep giving us a good report on Huron.
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Post by dump on Nov 7, 2017 12:30:06 GMT -5
Dump: You are right on Hurst being a stud, that boy sure can play. I see him as their go to player and if he has matured more this year he would be the one who also would start directing the team and calming them down when things get out of hand. Huron will be going far into the play-offs this year. Dump, I would also like to compliment you writing a very good article about your Tigers. It was nice, short, and to the point and you did not raise an issue about them. You have come a long way from when you first started on the site. Keep it up and please keep giving us a good report on Huron. Do you want to kiss?
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Post by independent on Nov 7, 2017 21:40:37 GMT -5
I heard 2 or 3 Perkins kids, I think sophomores went to St.Mary's. Last years Pirate team should have only lost to Sandusky. I heard there were internal issues last year, but they should be decent returning Voight, McCune, McVeigh, Wheeler, Grude and Printy who for some reason got playing time over Roesch & Wheeler last year. I seen someone said Sandusky has a 6-6 transfer. Does anyone know who the new Sandusky kid is or where he's from?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 6:23:25 GMT -5
Sandusky has two 6'6 seniors this year but they are not real physical, so not sure what impact they will have. They did get a 6'3 sophmore from Lorain that is pretty good and will eventually get some playing time. Sandusky will be extremely young this year and it will be the first varsity experience for many of the players. One can expect that when you graduate that many seniors from last year's team. They will experience some growing pains but will have a couple of extremely talent players in K. Williams and Staveskie who is only a sophmore.
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Post by beefcake on Nov 8, 2017 6:25:44 GMT -5
I feel like people say Sandusky gets transfers every year... but the rumor I heard he's from Lorain... I have no clue what his name is though that's why I think it's just a rumor.
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Post by statechamp on Nov 8, 2017 12:24:44 GMT -5
I think Norwalk has a very good chance of winning the Lake division this season. Haraway is a stud and they got some shooters around him. Coach gray will have them ready to play night in and night out. Should be very competitive with Sandusky, Perkins, and even Shelby this year.
As for the Bay division, I'm not real sure who is where and who brings who back. I've heard Vermilion brings a lot back from a tough squad last season. I'd have to go Vermilion, Huron (Hurst is a STUD), and maybe Margaretta might compete? Again, I'm not quite sure who has who or what from last season but just going by what I've heard.
For the River division, I have St. Mary's winning that one. I don't see anyone else really competing with them unless Old Fort or New Reigel has something cookin. Not sure though.
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Post by ronburgandy on Nov 8, 2017 14:15:37 GMT -5
I don't remember what Margaretta's record was last year but I'm pretty sure they return every single players from last year, which never hurts. Might not always lead to huge success but surely can't hurt.
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