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Post by Whittaker on Jun 5, 2016 10:12:32 GMT -5
Don't overreact. The Cavs were rusty last night, yet in the 2nd half they actually had the lead at one point. They turned the ball over about 400 times, they didn't have as tight of defensive rotations as they wanted, and it's obvious that they wanted certain people to hit shots who just happened to do that. They kept GS under 110, just didn't score enough and didn't rebound well. They only have to get 1 of the 2 games at GS and they come home with home court advantage. I also felt like the Cavs ran a variety of sets and player combos at GS last night, almost like the early rounds of a boxing match where the combatants trade jabs to see how the other person reacts. And it seemed like even when the Cavs found something that worked they didn't keep going back to it all the time. Overall it was 1 game in which we didn't play well, played pretty good D overall but turned the ball over too much and didn't play our overall game on offense and still were in the game in the second half. I'd say that all was pretty encouraging. Remember GS is a pretty darn good team and they didn't just play the 76ers every game all season to get that many wins. Agree with this for the most part. Cavs had a good game plan and did a bunch of things well. They did a great job on Clay and Curry. They controlled the tempo. They won the rebound battle. Problem was they shot terrible and committed a bunch of turnovers. You can't do that against an elite team. Turnovers Cavs-15 Warriors-9 Shooting % Cavs-38.1 Warriors-49.4 If those two stats were evened up Cavs probably win the game. Credit to GS for the role players stepping up. Cavs were beat fair & square.
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Post by vottruckers on Jun 5, 2016 20:19:16 GMT -5
Well that said, we're not looking too hot in the first half. Had one good run but then stopped moving on offense and started turning the ball over. Gotta stay in the team concept.
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Post by Leon on Jun 5, 2016 21:02:18 GMT -5
Not that it would have changed the outcome, but NBA officiating is atrocious.
Get murdered on a drive, no call play on. Don't touch a guy get called for a foul because the official thinks he saw a foul. Every game we have to watch this, some serious changes need to take place.
5 officials? One to watch each offensive player
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Post by Leon on Jun 5, 2016 21:06:34 GMT -5
No ball movement by the Cavs in games 1 or 2. These 2 games look like the 2 duds they played in Toronto.
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Post by 1percenter on Jun 6, 2016 5:28:16 GMT -5
K Love has 22 points in 2 games. Kyrie is 12 of 36 shooting
Shouldn't Lebron just being on the court make it easy on these 2?
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Post by vottruckers on Jun 6, 2016 6:51:31 GMT -5
At some point Lebron has to stop always trying so hard to get everyone involved in the offense as GS knows he is going to pass and are just waiting to pick them off. Make them stop Lebron with a double team and then they can start getting others open.
There is no excuse for what we watched in that game last night. They were done in the 2nd quarter and went through the motions the rest of the way. Poor shooting, way too many turnovers, and we can't rebound the ball on either end of the court.
The question is what changes can be made to turn everything in the Cavs favor? I'm not sure it can happen.
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Post by cbus on Jun 6, 2016 8:42:55 GMT -5
K Love has 22 points in 2 games. Kyrie is 12 of 36 shooting Shouldn't Lebron just being on the court make it easy on these 2?Not really. GS is playing about 4 feet off LeBron and hoping he shoots a jumper. They don't even collapse all the time when he drives. Actually LeBron is doing pretty well for having no outside shot.
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Post by DrTorch on Jun 6, 2016 18:30:40 GMT -5
broom watch...might get a cheap win game 3 but this series is ov-uh-huh
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Post by vottruckers on Jun 7, 2016 7:51:22 GMT -5
Am I the only person that is happy they aren't playing tonight? I'm still not over the depression caused by Sunday's game due to their lack of heart/effort.
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Post by picabo on Jun 8, 2016 20:19:59 GMT -5
I like the Jefferson start. He is pumped and ready to play!
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Post by ScarletFever on Jun 9, 2016 1:52:43 GMT -5
broom watch...might get a cheap win game 3 but this series is ov-uh-huh Advantage to GS still in 5 or 6 games smart money, but a 30 point bomb isn't 'cheep cheep' happy for the Cavs effort tonight. Kevin Love conundrum hmm
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Post by picabo on Jun 9, 2016 7:18:52 GMT -5
The big tell will be if the Cavs can do it 2 games in a row.
I'm not thinking about games 5 or 6 until we get past game 4.
It won't be easy, but hopefully the Cavs are finding the right mix out there. Jefferson just brings a different energy to the court when he's out there - they were pumped!
Whether that was the home court atmosphere, his start, or the motivation to prove themselves . . . remains to be seen.
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Post by Whittaker on Jun 9, 2016 11:09:22 GMT -5
Defense on Clay and Curry is very good. Got to keep that going. It makes GS play a little out sorts. Cavs may still lose. Green, Barnes, Igu & Livingston may step up and play great....chance you gotta take. Physical play and long post-season favors Cleveland. Warriors look tired.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 9, 2016 15:42:26 GMT -5
Match ups in basketball are more important than any other sport. As is playing at home.
One of Lue's first big decisions after he was hired was to "go smaller". Mosgov became nonexistent. Kerr decided to even "go smaller" against the CAVS in the Finals. Due to Love's concussion Lue decided to even "go smaller" with Jefferson replacing Love in the starting line up. Each of these "go smaller" lineups have been successful. Who and how will "go smaller"?
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Post by DrTorch on Jun 9, 2016 17:55:10 GMT -5
Match ups in basketball are more important than any other sport. As is playing at home. One of Lue's first big decisions after he was hired was to "go smaller". Mosgov became nonexistent. Kerr decided to even "go smaller" against the CAVS in the Finals. Due to Love's concussion Lue decided to even "go smaller" with Jefferson replacing Love in the starting line up. Each of these "go smaller" lineups have been successful. Who and how will "go smaller"? two words: START LUE
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Post by DrTorch on Jun 9, 2016 18:00:03 GMT -5
broom watch...might get a cheap win game 3 but this series is ov-uh-huh Advantage to GS still in 5 or 6 games smart money, but a 30 point bomb isn't 'cheep cheep' happy for the Cavs effort tonight. Kevin Love conundrum hmm see i disagree i think a 30 point win IS a cheapie, it's the close ones you have to grind out that are the tough ones but a 30-point win IS a 30-point win MAN i wish we had Wiggins!!!!! ARGH! That will go down as the worst move ever! Two Finals Two Love on da bench. We should have listened to Scarlet and drafted Barnes haha. game 3 on the road was the game Jordan's Bulls always seemed to lose, and for GS to have been coming off 3 straight big wins over OKC, then 2 big wins over the Cavs, then making the trip from West to East, I still think that was a classic throw-away game for a team with home-court in the Finals...the 2-2-1-1-1 format definitely helps the Cavs more than the old 2-3-2 so they have that going for them
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Post by CEOSouth on Jun 10, 2016 16:26:15 GMT -5
MAN i wish we had Wiggins!!!!! Love has grown on me a little since we got him, but I agree with this statement whole heartedly.
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Post by Whittaker on Jun 10, 2016 18:07:42 GMT -5
PER------WS----VORP-----TS%-----eFG%----FT%-----OBPM/DBPM--------Per Game
Love-------19-----8.5----2.8-----.554----.499----.822------1.7/0.9---------16.0/9.9/2.4(on 12.7 shots per game) Wiggins---16.5---4.5---(0.1)----.543----.481----.761------0.4/(2.9)-------20.7/3.6/2.0(on 16.0 shots per game)
You guys are nuts. Confirmations bias or typical Cleveland scapegoating.
Love or Wiggins long-term is debatable. This year Love is better.
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Post by DrTorch on Jun 10, 2016 19:03:41 GMT -5
every shot Love takes is a shot LeBron or Kyrie doesn't, and Wiggins is a better defender
rofl VORP
LOVE IS ON THE BENCH, avail-ability kid.
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Post by picabo on Jun 11, 2016 7:40:46 GMT -5
First half - Cavs played defense and controlled the tempo of the game.
Second half - a different team - Cavs just couldn't get into sync.
I don't like our odds going forth.
Will be interesting to see if the league reviews and does anything regarding Green's actions.
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Post by cbus on Jun 11, 2016 9:50:01 GMT -5
every shot Love takes is a shot LeBron or Kyrie doesn't, and Wiggins is a better defender rofl VORP LOVE IS ON THE BENCH, avail-ability kid. Torch, the Cavs already have a 6-8 guy that can't hit an outside shot. They don't need another.
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Post by maplecityjake on Jun 11, 2016 14:57:55 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken(if solely talking finals), Jordan's Bulls lost only one Game 3 in their 6 title runs, and not only they lost that game, but Game 4 as well. The year? 1997 against the Jazz. see i disagree i think a 30 point win IS a cheapie, it's the close ones you have to grind out that are the tough ones but a 30-point win IS a 30-point win MAN i wish we had Wiggins!!!!! ARGH! That will go down as the worst move ever! Two Finals Two Love on da bench. We should have listened to Scarlet and drafted Barnes haha. game 3 on the road was the game Jordan's Bulls always seemed to lose, and for GS to have been coming off 3 straight big wins over OKC, then 2 big wins over the Cavs, then making the trip from West to East, I still think that was a classic throw-away game for a team with home-court in the Finals...the 2-2-1-1-1 format definitely helps the Cavs more than the old 2-3-2 so they have that going for themIf I'm not mistaken(if solely talking finals), Jordan's Bulls lost only one Game 3 in their 6 title runs, and not only they lost that game, but Game 4 as well. The year? 1997 against the Jazz.
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Post by maplecityjake on Jun 11, 2016 15:02:10 GMT -5
I was hoping the Cavs would win this Series, but I can find some good news out of this: one game closer for Luke Walton to come back 'home.'
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Post by ScarletFever on Jun 11, 2016 15:11:19 GMT -5
I didn't want Wiggins traded from the get go.
I certainly wanted Barnes over Neon Dion Waiters.
I also wanted Valenciunas over TT, jury's out on that one.
With Wiggins we still obviously win back to back east titles.
To boot, Golden State prob trades Klay Thompson to Min for Love if we don't offer up Wiggins, and GS isn't near the machine they are now.
Wiggins > Love. More energy, younger, better fit for our system.
Cavs = Bills the only hope is one of these years someone beats GS in the west or someone gets hurt near the end. Almost happened this year.
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Post by picabo on Jun 12, 2016 20:53:48 GMT -5
Green suspended for game 5. Certainly makes things interesting. Hopefully the Cavs will take advantage.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 13, 2016 5:27:55 GMT -5
Although I detest NBA basketball, (just below soccer), hoping the Cavs can pull a rabbit out of the hat.
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Post by ScarletFever on Jun 13, 2016 9:46:13 GMT -5
I called on fb he would be suspended because game 6 & 7 help the NBA. I even put $ on GS in 7 yesterday morning anticipating this would happen.
I still think GS is favored tonight, it's wild reality TV for men tonight on Monday night and it's not the WWE.
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Post by maplecityjake on Jun 13, 2016 11:10:14 GMT -5
It won't help the NBA. Sadly, I still think GS will win easily this evening.
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Post by Leon on Jun 13, 2016 11:32:13 GMT -5
^^^ Hopefully your track record of getting things wrong continues on the new site.
Lebron finally showed up at the end of game 4. After letting a winnable game slip thru his hands with a passive offensive display he then totally redeemed himself by egging Draymond on and getting him suspended. That was Bulls with Rodman, Pistons with any of the bad boys style. Knock him down and step over him knowing that roid rage from the biggest juicer in the game would cause Draymond to do what all roiders do, something stupid. Now if the NBA would just suspend him for juicing way too much.
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Post by bigox on Jun 13, 2016 12:30:50 GMT -5
Warriors lay down game 5 to get Green on the floor for the blow out at the Q. I so want to be wrong with this comment but have a feeling that is how it will play out. I like the Cavs and want to see them win it for Cleveland but just can't see it happening. Cavaliers by 10-15 tonight. Warriors by 25 in game 6
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