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Post by DrTorch on Nov 25, 2017 16:58:40 GMT -5
.30-06 sure threw a monkey wrench in your "JT is doing everything" narrative huh?
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 25, 2017 18:00:42 GMT -5
Absolutely not. J.T. put us in the position to win this one, giving the keys to Haskins, who put the final nails in the coffin. No winners or losers today at QB for Ohio State, just winners.
I hope they dig a deep hole somewhere and bury those hideous uniforms for good! See the assistant coaches with the gray quilted vests? Looked like they raided the local bargain store and unzipped the liners and pasted an Ohio State logo on the chest.
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Post by picabo on Nov 25, 2017 19:28:35 GMT -5
I hope they dig a deep hole somewhere and bury those hideous uniforms for good! See the assistant coaches with the gray quilted vests? Looked like they raided the local bargain store and unzipped the liners and pasted an Ohio State logo on the chest. LOL! Our group hated the uniforms today! No SCARLET color on them at all! The only part of the ensemble we liked was the shoes! Those quilted jackets were awful! Urban's jacket was good - however . . . it was scarlet!
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 25, 2017 19:31:12 GMT -5
yeah the unis were pretty lame, and i like alternate/throwback unis
helmets are neat as heck tho
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Post by picabo on Nov 25, 2017 19:34:44 GMT -5
It is not fair to put the offensive blame solely on JT. He didn't have his best game, however - the argument that one player doesn't win a game, can be said about our losses, too. One player does not lose a game. Yes - the points margin was better when Haskins was in, but the defense was playing much better! It was an embarrassing first quarter for almost all involved.
Interesting comments after the game from Urban regarding JT's injury. A cameraman incident before the game? He was pretty bothered by it during the press conference.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 25, 2017 21:40:51 GMT -5
Both backs were getting nailed at the LOS early on and nothing was happening offensively. That's when Meyer put it in J.T.'s hands to make it happen and he did, in a big way. The Buckeyes were driving once again, deep into M territory when he went down. Thankfully, Haskins was ready for the task. What a momentum swing in this game, once the 1st qtr. hype and adrenaline wore down for the boys in bue, the Buckeyes started asserting themselves at the LOS, and the offense started moving the chains. Defensively, they came alive as well, after spotting them 14 points, there was no doubt who the better team was. There were several horrendous calls during the course of the game, one being the 'running into the kicker', where replay revealed it was nothing more than a brush by, no significant physical contact.
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Post by picabo on Nov 25, 2017 21:55:29 GMT -5
I also questioned another call where the Buckeye player was called for brushing the returner, despite an obvious attempt by OSU to avoid contact; but my husband clarified for me that you have to give the returner 3 feet clearance to make the catch. So even if he hadn't brushed him, the player still would have been penalized because he was within that "circle." There are so many calls like that, I need a quick go to guide sometimes. Glad when I can watch the game with my husband, as he is more knowledgable than I. Fortunately we were in a group, so his "Football Induced Tourette's" was kept under control.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 25, 2017 21:56:28 GMT -5
I think in order to beat Wisc, Haskins needs the start. J.T. put us in the lead and Haskins and company played magnificently off the bench, exactly what we wanted to happen. Huh? When JT was on the field at no point was OSU ever in the lead. OSU didn't take the lead until Haskins came in and showed what a QB is supposed to do in a big game during crunch time. 2014 JT goes down in Mich game 2017 JT goes down in Mich game 2014 OSU plays Wisc in BIG Champ game 2017 OSU plays Wisc in BIG Champ game If Haskins plays OSU beats Wisc by 2+ Tds JT will probably play though, in that case take Wisconsin by 10
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Nov 25, 2017 22:23:33 GMT -5
When Tressel was hired at the start of this century, Michigan held a 56-35-6 lead in the all-time series. Who at that point would have imagined that Ohio State would make it to 50 wins before Michigan made it to 60....but that's what happened today, as the series is now 58-50-6.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2017 0:08:16 GMT -5
since 2010 - OSU 7-1 since 2000 - OSU 15-3 since 1990 - OSU 17-10-1 since 1980 - OSU 21-16-1 since 1970 - OSU 26-20-2 since 1960 - OSU 33-23-2 since 1650 - OSU 38-28-2 since 1940 - OSU 40-34-4 since 1930 - OSU 45-39-4 since 1920 - OSU 49-45-4 since 1910 - OSU 50-48-5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2017 0:24:48 GMT -5
I think in order to beat Wisc, Haskins needs the start. When ever you "think", it's not pretty.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2017 0:31:26 GMT -5
Haskins makes this teams offensive completely different. Man, I cant wait for him to be the starter for good. The offense is completely different with Haskins at QB because no read option plays and QB run plays are used. I can't wait until Haskins has a bad game and you'll be hating on him too. Unless you're such a dolt to believe that Ohio State will never lose another game. As Dumbo believes Ohio State would have won 4 straight undefeated National Titles if Cardale had started every game in his 4 years at Ohio State.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 26, 2017 4:25:39 GMT -5
It is not fair to put the offensive blame solely on JT. He didn't have his best game, however - the argument that one player doesn't win a game, can be said about our losses, too. One player does not lose a game. Yes - the points margin was better when Haskins was in, but the defense was playing much better! It was an embarrassing first quarter for almost all involved. Interesting comments after the game from Urban regarding JT's injury. A cameraman incident before the game? He was pretty bothered by it during the press conference.Urban's comments about the J.T. getting nailed by a camera caught me by surprise. He stated; "i'm going to find out who that cameraman was". Does that imply that it was an intentional act? Thanks for participating in the discussion picabo. It's pretty cool to get a woman's perspective on things.
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Post by tommygunn on Nov 26, 2017 7:23:46 GMT -5
To me it sounds like JT bowed out again in a big game because he wasn't getting it done. Barely gets tackled and gets taken to the locker room in the 3rd over an incident that happened before the game? Something doesn't add up. Thankfully Haskins came in and lead us to victory.
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Post by tommygunn on Nov 26, 2017 7:27:35 GMT -5
I think in order to beat Wisc, Haskins needs the start. Think? You've been preaching the same tune all year. Where were you last week, when Urban jerked Haskins and a few other backups, stating it was turning into a clown show? Do we win today with Haskins starting? That's up for speculation and not of any concern. J.T. put us in the lead and Haskins and company played magnificently off the bench, exactly what we wanted to happen. That turnover had 100% to do with the monsoon. You seem to forget that. Buddy go smoke another bowl. JT had ZERO lead as the qb in the game yesterday, you and WF get so worked up and are so blind you cannot even get your facts straight.
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Post by tommygunn on Nov 26, 2017 7:29:19 GMT -5
Barrett said his knee twisted when someone tried to squeeze by him and it aggravated a problem he has been playing with all season. Quit being a pussy JT and quit making excuses. No cameraman did anything to you. Squeezing by someone isn't getting nailed but leave it to sportsjock and WF to fabricate their lovers story.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 26, 2017 7:51:13 GMT -5
After re-watching the game, I think we caught a major break with O'Korn being the starter. The guy missed about 6-7 open receivers on passing plays. Stumbling on a 2nd and 1 while they were driving deep in OSU territory and creating a 3rd and 4 in the 4th was a gift. The interception was a gift.
I felt we should have went for it with 2:40 seconds to go and 4th and 2, and skipping a field goal attempt. A play action pass against a gassed UM defense would have worked imo. A made field goal only puts us up 7,,,and a touchdown and 2 pt conversions beats us in that scenario. We needed to get a first down and hold the ball. We got a bad spot on the 2nd down reception by Paris Campbell. Should have been a 3rd and a foot, instead it was 3rd and over a yard and a slow developing play netted a yard loss with Webber on the ensuing 3rd down play.
Running outside the tackles was quite effective. Would have liked to have seen a few jet sweeps with Campbell or KJ Hill getting the ball.
JT at full speed and we can beat Wisc. JT like he was against UM and we could very easily lose. Haskins running Wilsons offense--the way He wants to with the skill players we have ---makes OSU a very lethal offensive team. I'm not sure one week is enough time to make that call,,,,although Cardale didn't seem to need more than a week--LOL. Needless to say,,,we have options it would seem.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 26, 2017 11:12:01 GMT -5
To me it sounds like JT bowed out again in a big game because he wasn't getting it done. Barely gets tackled and gets taken to the locker room in the 3rd over an incident that happened before the game? Something doesn't add up. Thankfully Haskins came in and lead us to victory. More ridiculous absurdities from you. J.T. would have 'led us to victory' as well. The offensive line was beginning to assert itself 2nd half. The defense got us in a 14 point deficit to climb out of and he ran for one score and threw for another and was driving for the go ahead score when he went down.
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Post by picabo on Nov 26, 2017 11:28:26 GMT -5
Remember, the 2015 season. Everyone had huge expectations for Cardale after leading us to the national championship as the "3rd string" quarterback. It was a great story. There was the QB controversy at the beginning of the season . . . the biggest question for some being, "How do you sit the quarterback who led the team to a national championship?" When Cardale didn't meet those expectations, JT was brought back in.
Haskins and Cardale have a lot in common, I feel - watching them play. But biggest of all, is that they both jumped into a big game and made the most of an opportunity they were given.
I am excited about the future of the OSU quarterback situation. As commentators in past games have said, OSU's backups would be able to step onto many other teams as a major role-player. As Buckeyes, we have very high expectations for our team.
I can get angry watching the pro's, they are grown men (mostly) getting paid an absurd amount of money to play a game, for my entertainment. Yet, as I have to remind my husband, most college players are young men and boys, playing the game because they love it. Some go on to the pros, but most do not. I can be heartbroken and frustrated with my college team, but I cannot get angry and badmouth these players.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 26, 2017 12:24:16 GMT -5
QB's look good in the right system with the right wr's. Wilson can run his system better with Haskins. He cannot do it as well with JT. A banged up JT is not going to work against Wisc imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 13:34:09 GMT -5
To me it sounds like JT bowed out again in a big game because he wasn't getting it done. Barely gets tackled and gets taken to the locker room in the 3rd over an incident that happened before the game? Something doesn't add up. Thankfully Haskins came in and lead us to victory. More ridiculous absurdities from you. J.T. would have 'led us to victory' as well. The offensive line was beginning to assert itself 2nd half. The defense got us in a 14 point deficit to climb out of and he ran for one score and threw for another and was driving for the go ahead score when he went down. Happy thought for you but the truth is that he didn't. The Bucks never had the lead with him at QB. He makes the offense very one dimensional and the UM staff knew this and crowded the line to start the game since he is not a deep threat quarterback. And as the "defense got us in a 14 point deficit" the JT lead offense piled up -6 total yards. Haskins may be the better option. With 2 running backs that any one in the country would like to have, do we really need a running QB?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2017 19:03:02 GMT -5
J.T. put us in the lead and Haskins and company played magnificently off the bench, exactly what we wanted to happen. Huh? When JT was on the field at no point was OSU ever in the lead. OSU didn't take the lead until Haskins came in and showed what a QB is supposed to do in a big game during crunch time. 2014 JT goes down in Mich game 2017 JT goes down in Mich game 2014 OSU plays Wisc in BIG Champ game 2017 OSU plays Wisc in BIG Champ game If Haskins plays OSU beats Wisc by 2+ Tds JT will probably play though, in that case take Wisconsin by 10 HUH?? Not easy for Ohio State to have a lead in the first half when the OSU defense and special teams played bad, giving U of M 14 points early in the game. Not easy for Ohio State to have a lead when the U of M defense held Ohio State to minus rushing yardage in the 1st quarter. And YOU are the guy who wants to run the ball 80% of the time?? If not for JT's 30 yard TD run and his 25 yard TD pass Ohio State would have been dead. What are the odds of Haskins overcoming a 21 point deficit in a quarter and a half? JT didn't "go down" in this game, he's played with a torn meniscus the entire season. What's the difference if Ohio State beats Wisconsin by 10 or 14?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2017 19:18:19 GMT -5
To me it sounds like JT bowed out again in a big game because he wasn't getting it done. Barely gets tackled and gets taken to the locker room in the 3rd over an incident that happened before the game? Something doesn't add up. Thankfully Haskins came in and lead us to victory. "Sounds"?? "Bowed out"!?!?! Will someone tell this ignoramus that JT's been playing with a torn meniscus all season. He had just ran for a 10 yard gain and when he was tackled came down flush on his bad knee, causing it to unhinge...AGAIN. This time he couldn't get it to pop back in. If you were knowledgeable you would know this has happened many times this year in practice and games. An unknown person who shouldn't have been on Ohio State's sideline came running past JT and hit his bad knee, just before the game when he was warming up. They got it popped back in and JT played as he has all year, with the bad meniscus. Stop being an ugly ignorant hate monger.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2017 19:24:52 GMT -5
More ridiculous absurdities from you. J.T. would have 'led us to victory' as well. The offensive line was beginning to assert itself 2nd half. The defense got us in a 14 point deficit to climb out of and he ran for one score and threw for another and was driving for the go ahead score when he went down. Happy thought for you but the truth is that he didn't. The Bucks never had the lead with him at QB. He makes the offense very one dimensional and the UM staff knew this and crowded the line to start the game since he is not a deep threat quarterback. And as the "defense got us in a 14 point deficit" the JT lead offense piled up -6 total yards. Haskins may be the better option. With 2 running backs that any one in the country would like to have, do we really need a running QB? NO, Haskins makes the Urban Meyer offense less "dimensional" since he can not run the read option plays or QB run plays. Making it VERY easy for the opponent's defense to key on the only player in the backfield that can run...not talking about a scramble on a pass play when everyone is covered or pass protection breaks down. Did you watch the game? JT was THE reason the game was tied at half time. Without his his 30 yard TD run and 25 yard TD pass Ohio State was DEAD.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2017 19:35:29 GMT -5
Barrett said his knee twisted when someone tried to squeeze by him and it aggravated a problem he has been playing with all season. Quit being a pussy JT and quit making excuses. No cameraman did anything to you. Squeezing by someone isn't getting nailed but leave it to sportsjock and WF to fabricate their lovers story. LIAR, how do you know about fabrications when you are to much of a scaredy cat to read all posts? AND become significantly more educated. "Squeezing" is a LIE. He was running where he shouldn't have been running and as he ran between JT and the players bench he hit JT's knee hard enough to dislocate it. He just kept on running without saying sorry or my bad. Did you see how hard JT was hit when it dislocated again on the field? It doesn't dislocate when bumped when someone "squeezes by".
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2017 19:48:39 GMT -5
After re-watching the game, I think we caught a major break with O'Korn being the starter. The guy missed about 6-7 open receivers on passing plays. Stumbling on a 2nd and 1 while they were driving deep in OSU territory and creating a 3rd and 4 in the 4th was a gift. The interception was a gift. I felt we should have went for it with 2:40 seconds to go and 4th and 2, and skipping a field goal attempt. A play action pass against a gassed UM defense would have worked imo. A made field goal only puts us up 7,,,and a touchdown and 2 pt conversions beats us in that scenario. We needed to get a first down and hold the ball. We got a bad spot on the 2nd down reception by Paris Campbell. Should have been a 3rd and a foot, instead it was 3rd and over a yard and a slow developing play netted a yard loss with Webber on the ensuing 3rd down play. Running outside the tackles was quite effective. Would have liked to have seen a few jet sweeps with Campbell or KJ Hill getting the ball. JT at full speed and we can beat Wisc. JT like he was against UM and we could very easily lose. Haskins running Wilsons offense--the way He wants to with the skill players we have ---makes OSU a very lethal offensive team. I'm not sure one week is enough time to make that call,,,,although Cardale didn't seem to need more than a week--LOL. Needless to say,,,we have options it would seem. It wasn't a "slow developing play". It was a defense that know 100% who was going to carry the ball. Haskins can not run read option plays and can not run QB running plays. The BIG mistake by the coaches was not realizing that with Haskins at QB against a solid defensive front Ohio State MUST pass the ball of 3rd or 4th and 1 or 2. Running outside the tackles was not effective to start the game, it did not become effective until after JT made some good runs QB runs and read options off tackle which made their defense respect HIM running the ball, THEN running outside the tackles became effective. They DID try a jet sweep and it lost 5 yards. JT will be just as much at "full speed" as he's been all year. He has had this issue with is meniscus season. It has popped out many times during games and practices all season. This was the first time that he couldn't get it to pop right back in.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2017 19:50:25 GMT -5
QB's look good in the right system with the right wr's. Wilson can run his system better with Haskins. He cannot do it as well with JT. A banged up JT is not going to work against Wisc imo. I can't believe you as well as all the haters have already conveniently forgotten about JT completing 16 passes in a row that were called by Wilson in the Penn State game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 20:08:10 GMT -5
Another melt down probably defending his boy JT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 20:43:51 GMT -5
Does anyone else see the fact that a JT lead team scored 14 points in just under 30 minutes and in 18 minutes with the backup the Buckeyes scored 17. Maybe that read option playbook is more effective with a threat of 20+ yards pass plays.
And a meltdown is always in the making.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2017 21:09:20 GMT -5
Another melt down probably defending his boy JT How would you know about a "meltdown"? You're to much of CHICKEN to read all posts. JT is not my "boy". YOU are my "boy". I need the last of my leaves raked. Get your butt over to my house tomorrow "boy" and take care of them.
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