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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 16, 2018 7:54:39 GMT -5
This is the last matchup between these two for the foreseeable future after 75 years.
Shelby won last year 55-14.
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 16, 2018 11:25:02 GMT -5
Not only last matchup, but Homecoming game for NHS. Go Truckers!
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Post by gtab on Sept 16, 2018 11:26:09 GMT -5
This ought to be quite a game up in Norwalk ! Shelby trying to maintain the mojo from last year, and the up-and-coming Truckers. Sure wish I could be there to watch it !
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Post by picabo on Sept 16, 2018 17:33:29 GMT -5
If Norwalk limits turnovers and penalties it could be a great game for them.
I think it helps Norwalk knowing Shelby is beatable after their loss to Bellevue; although that should motivate Shelby.
I'm looking forward to a great game!
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Post by Ramsfan09 on Sept 17, 2018 0:07:05 GMT -5
After watching both teams this year Norwalk is by far the better team as long as they show up. Shelbys defense isn't very good at all. Lexington ran all over them and Norwalk's running game is three times better the Lexingtons. ill take Norwalk 35-21
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Post by sweathog on Sept 17, 2018 11:04:32 GMT -5
2nd lose in a row for Shelby!!
Best player on both sides of the ball will not be playing, is what I heard!
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Post by SportsNut on Sept 17, 2018 11:47:51 GMT -5
2nd lose in a row for Shelby!! Best player on both sides of the ball will not be playing, is what I heard! Schwemely is out? Do you know why? |
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Post by buckeye33 on Sept 17, 2018 13:16:20 GMT -5
2nd lose in a row for Shelby!! Best player on both sides of the ball will not be playing, is what I heard! Schwemely is out? Do you know why? He has not been ruled out. Testing for concussion |
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Post by dude on Sept 17, 2018 14:03:17 GMT -5
How long does that test take if sweathog knew about it 2 hours ago? With the way this gets treated today, if they are just now looking at this being three days later you could see them leaning towards being careful and having him sit a week.
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Post by fanofthegame on Sept 17, 2018 15:17:17 GMT -5
I know nothing about this specific situation. My comments are in general. Shelby uses Impact. It’s the same test used by the big four professional leagues (or was...the NFL may be doing their own thing now). Kids are baseline tested in 7th, 9th, and 11th. If they hit their head you retest to see if they drop. The test takes 30 minutes at a computer. If symptoms are mild you might not test them the next day as it might be slightly abnormal when you can hold them out of contact, wait a couple days, they recover, and test normal. An abnormal test REQUIRES you hold them out. A normal test on Wednesday and you’re good to go.
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Post by goblue on Sept 17, 2018 15:18:57 GMT -5
He has to be 5 days symptom free. See a family doctor get cleared by him to work with school trainer. Then has to go through 2 days of light workouts with trainer. On third day can hit but not game hitting on fourth day can play full speed. And that's if only shows no symptoms. If shows symptoms anytime during process clock goes back to day one
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Post by fanofthegame on Sept 17, 2018 15:23:34 GMT -5
He has to be 5 days symptom free. See a family doctor get cleared by him to work with school trainer. Then has to go through 2 days of light workouts with trainer. On third day can hit but not game hitting on fourth day can play full speed. And that's if only shows no symptoms. If shows symptoms anytime during process clock goes back to day one Not true. If he Impact tests normal/baseline he has an unconcussed brain and has no restrictions. What you say is only true if proven concussed. Wait a couple of days and if he tests baseline then no return to play protocol needed. |
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Post by fanofthegame on Sept 17, 2018 15:28:51 GMT -5
And BTW none of this is law or even a concrete rule. I saw a kid hit his head on the gym floor hard enough to lose consciousness and posture (that’s the scary involuntary movement you’ve seen football players make). He got someone (a doctor) to clear him to play less than 7 days later.
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Post by goblue on Sept 17, 2018 17:35:58 GMT -5
From ohsaa. Absolutely a rule and written in stone
When can an athlete return to play following a
concussion?
After suffering a concussion, no athlete should return to play or practice on
that same day. Previously, athletes were allowed to return to play if their
symptoms resolved within 15 minutes of the injury. Studies have shown us that
the young brain does not recover quickly enough for an athlete to return to
activity in such a short time.
Concerns over athletes returning to play too quickly have led state lawmakers in
both Oregon and Washington to pass laws stating that no player shall return to
play following a concussion on that same day and the athlete must be
cleared by an appropriate health-care professional before he or she are
allowed to return to play in games or practices. The laws also mandate that
coaches receive education on recognizing the signs and symptoms of
concussion.
Once an athlete no longer has symptoms of a concussion and is cleared to return
to play by health care professional knowledgeable in the care of sports
concussions he or she should proceed with activity in a step-wise fashion to
allow the brain to re-adjust to exertion. On average the athlete will complete a
new step each day. The return to play schedule should proceed as below
following medical clearance:
Step 1: Light exercise, including walking or riding an exercise bike. No weight-
lifting.
Step 2: Running in the gym or on the field. No helmet or other equipment.
Step 3: Non-contact training drills in full equipment. Weight-training can begin.
Step 4: Full contact practice or training.
Step 5: Game play.
If symptoms occur at any step, the athlete should cease activity and be re-
evaluated by their health care provider.
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Post by fanofthegame on Sept 17, 2018 19:05:15 GMT -5
And who determines if there is a concussion and by what criteria? Clinical? Objectively measured with neuropsych testing like Impact? As I stated in my posts who determines concussion or no? I am aware of return to play protocols. They only apply if you determine an athlete HAS a concussion. I will tell you I have interacted with athletes from multiple local schools. I have not found one other than Shelby that baseline tests kids. That means all other schools diagnose concussion clinically with no or little objective data. You can even fudge on it at Shelby by tasting the athlete a few days after the hit when Impact testing is back to or nearly back to baseline. Impact even has shades of gray. It’s not like a blood pressure or a lab value.
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Post by robinhood on Sept 17, 2018 19:34:39 GMT -5
Back to the game, Norwalk better find a way to get pressure from their front 4 if they hope to win this one!! So far every teams QB has been able to stand in the pocket and relax. defensive line just stays in gap control, better get after it this week!!
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Post by dude on Sept 18, 2018 8:49:15 GMT -5
goblue, wouldn't that only apply AFTER it has been determined he had a concussion? It sounds like they are still in the determination space.
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Post by bgsustudent19 on Sept 18, 2018 14:03:40 GMT -5
Fan and Dude, they have trainers on the sidelines and most of the teams have doctors on the sideline who can determine whether they are concussed. I can not speak to every team but TC has a doctor on the sideline at every game and an ortho surgeon typically as well. Both I would say are qualified to make that evaluation, but TC also has bump clinic in town on Saturday or Sunday where local doctors see athletes from the area and check them out and determine the issues. I would hope if he was suspected of having a concussion that the coach or trainer recommended for him to go to the hospital or see a doctor and be on the side of caution for him.
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Post by dude on Sept 18, 2018 15:09:24 GMT -5
It would be a guess that this was not discovered during the game if it is being looked at 2-3 days after the game. If the trainer or physician at the game knew he was having a problem he would not have finished the game I hope.
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Post by fanofthegame on Sept 18, 2018 22:11:38 GMT -5
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
Those of you on here have read some stuff about concussions. I’ve actually determined return to play. In practical practice it’s NEVER black or white.
For example I’ve seen kids with 0% chance of concussion complain of classic symptoms because their team is 0-5 and they’re down 42-0. Without some objective testing you have to take them at their word and hold them out. Impact has some parts that try to weed that out (one section you should be right 50% no matter what so if a kid is less than that they’re intentionally throwing the test).
A kid with a mild (or if baseline pretty smart moderate) concussion that can hide symptoms if they really want to play.
Coaches and even sometimes medical professionals game the system (see previous post about the b-ball player who postured). Heck, I did once. My oldest was a starter as a sophomore on the Shelby team that lost to Clyde in the first round a few years back. He got concussed mildly to moderately the week before in practice. I cleared him to play. I don’t regret it. They lost, but he had an experience he’ll cherish. On top of that he had to be part of Shelby’s down years. That year was some of the only positives he had in high school football. He went on to play 3/4 years in college, graduate, and is training to be a Navy pilot in Florida right now. He survived. I could be a little more cavalier since I knew his parents pretty well 😜.
Any of you who believe this concussion thing is cut and dry have little to no experience and it changes every year.
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Post by sweathog on Sept 19, 2018 10:50:38 GMT -5
It would be a guess that this was not discovered during the game if it is being looked at 2-3 days after the game. If the trainer or physician at the game knew he was having a problem he would not have finished the game I hope. He did not finish the game!!! |
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Post by dude on Sept 19, 2018 10:56:42 GMT -5
It would be a guess that this was not discovered during the game if it is being looked at 2-3 days after the game. If the trainer or physician at the game knew he was having a problem he would not have finished the game I hope. He did not finish the game!!! So you are saying it was ruled on Friday night during the game he did have a concussion. |
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Post by footballfan on Sept 20, 2018 13:33:51 GMT -5
If he left the game it had to be real late in the 4th toward the end of the game. Never seen a injury time out on the field. He played what I thought was the whole game until they knew it was over!
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 21, 2018 7:22:20 GMT -5
This game will be on 95.3 WLKR
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Post by sweathog on Sept 21, 2018 14:24:10 GMT -5
If he left the game it had to be real late in the 4th toward the end of the game. Never seen a injury time out on the field. He played what I thought was the whole game until they knew it was over! Wrong, Left because of injury, Trainer doing test on him on side line |
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Post by SportsNut on Sept 21, 2018 15:34:28 GMT -5
If he left the game it had to be real late in the 4th toward the end of the game. Never seen a injury time out on the field. He played what I thought was the whole game until they knew it was over! Wrong, Left because of injury, Trainer doing test on him on side line He was in on one of the last few offensive drives after Shelby had already scored 28pts. I remember his last play being a ball was thrown to him into double coverage. Ball was either over thrown or route was broken off early. Either way ball was incomplete on 4th down. He walked to sideline and a took a knee. Coach Will went over and talked to him. He never went back in after that. The 4th quarter was at least half over |
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Post by utsherman on Sept 21, 2018 18:13:59 GMT -5
Norwalk 7 Shelby 0. Q1
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Post by utsherman on Sept 21, 2018 18:18:31 GMT -5
Norwalk 14 Shelby 0.
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Post by utsherman on Sept 21, 2018 18:27:43 GMT -5
14-0, Norwalk - end of Q1. Sounds like Schwemley’s out. Being felt on offense, defense & special teams. Norwalk with a blocked punt already. Shelby final gets some momentum on a drive and fumbles. Whippets look to be in for a long night.
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Post by utsherman on Sept 21, 2018 18:31:22 GMT -5
21-0, Norwalk. Raymore with another long TD rum.
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