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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Aug 21, 2016 14:01:06 GMT -5
Lex won last year 26-19
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 22:08:24 GMT -5
Not much hype on this one.
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Post by galion on Aug 21, 2016 23:58:21 GMT -5
The Ontario faithful must be sworn to silence. Not even a mention of their scrimmage results thus far.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 6:44:40 GMT -5
Heard from a Warrior fan things are going pretty slow with them. Expectations outside the team are trying to be kept low so not to disappoint. It is hard to tell juniors and seniors you are working for the future though.
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Post by galion on Aug 22, 2016 7:50:17 GMT -5
Did they have much turnover in the coaching staff with their new head coach or did it pretty much stay intact?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 8:43:45 GMT -5
Did they have much turnover in the coaching staff with their new head coach or did it pretty much stay intact? I THINK there was a lot turn over and HC brought in his faithful followers. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 9:15:35 GMT -5
That would go along with what I have heard. They are having some trouble filling all the coaching spots. The previous coach was told to make changes on his staff and that is why the HC position was open so it makes sense the turnover is high.
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Post by Ramsfan09 on Aug 22, 2016 10:00:47 GMT -5
I see Lex blowing them out 42-7
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Post by snowman on Aug 22, 2016 12:10:22 GMT -5
Lex 38-Ontario 0
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 6:07:20 GMT -5
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Post by galion on Aug 24, 2016 13:16:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't expect Lex to be on Hawkins' schedule much longer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 16:08:26 GMT -5
Maybe he could move them to week 3. I've been to this game and the crowds are terrific if you are the AD and gate is important to you and your boosters.
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Post by galion on Aug 24, 2016 19:53:20 GMT -5
I could see that with Ont currently playing Cardington week 3 and Lex playing Norwalk. Ontario is also going to be looking for a week 2 opponent as CF will now be as conference game. However if Hawkins' past in Galion is any indication he will not likely be willing to play a larger school in conjunction with a MOAC schedule.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 24, 2016 22:33:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't expect Lex to be on Hawkins' schedule much longer. There ya go Galion, if you read scooters link, we both found out at the same time how Ontario faired in their other 2 scrimmages. A little surprised they did as well in the those 2 as the one I saw. You assume Lex is going to be OCC Champs every year in the future?? For example, my nephew is on their 8th grade team. The lost 30-0 to Clear Fork today, not that it means anything. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 24, 2016 22:44:54 GMT -5
I could see that with Ont currently playing Cardington week 3 and Lex playing Norwalk. Ontario is also going to be looking for a week 2 opponent as CF will now be as conference game. However if Hawkins' past in Galion is any indication he will not likely be willing to play a larger school in conjunction with a MOAC schedule. Don't look for Cardington to be a long time ooc game. The schools in that third non-league game have come and gone. The new MOAC will overall have smaller schools than the NOL. They might need a win over Lex once in a while to have a shot at making the playoffs. My guess is Shelby might become a non-league game......if they don't end up in the MOAC.  |
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Post by galion on Aug 24, 2016 23:23:53 GMT -5
You might want to research that a bit. The size of schools in the new NOAC are very similar to the NOL. Schools Ontario's and Galion's size don't even need to win the conference to get into the playoffs. We made it 2 years ago at 6-4. Last season we went 8-2 with one of our ooc games not even counting. I don't assume anything about Lex, but I know that Hawkins was desperate enough to get out of playing Madison he was willing schedule the Columbus Crusaders last season to do it. When was their last OCC championship? He will sooner keep Cardington than Lex regardless of the gate if left up to him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 7:25:35 GMT -5
Research shows that some school in the 2017 MOAC are larger than current NOL schools. A little more search shows that Lexington's one and only OCC Title came in 2008. And if memory serves me will, that roster was full of juniors and seniors who were football players, which is different from playing football. I have heard rumors that Hawkins will try to change the schedule in his winning favor and disregard local rivals, but what I was implying is the AD may have an issue giving up the biggest gate they may get all season long. The MOAC is doubtful to bring large gates due to travel and lack of rivalries, with the exception of maybe something from Clear Fork. Those folks may show up with big support since it is close. (CF old-timers already complaining about the potential drives for the MOAC)
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 25, 2016 9:10:57 GMT -5
You might want to research that a bit. The size of schools in the new NOAC are very similar to the NOL. Schools Ontario's and Galion's size don't even need to win the conference to get into the playoffs. We made it 2 years ago at 6-4. Last season we went 8-2 with one of our ooc games not even counting. I don't assume anything about Lex, but I know that Hawkins was desperate enough to get out of playing Madison he was willing schedule the Columbus Crusaders last season to do it. When was their last OCC championship? He will sooner keep Cardington than Lex regardless of the gate if left up to him. Me not doing research??  My research shows that in the NEW MOAC Ontario will be a middle sized school. Where as, in the NOL Ontatio is next to smallest. Not that that it has to make a difference. My research shows that the average size of an MOAC school has around 30 fewer boys, than the average NOL school. Take out Harding and the largest NOL school and the average difference becomes around 40. The MOAC is definitly the smaller league on average. Not that that it has to make a difference. My research shows that Ontario is growing and at the next head count should be larger than RV and gaining on BV. Not that it has to make a difference. My research shows that Galion is in DV, while Ontario is in DIV growing to DIII. Which WILL make a HUGE difference for Ontario making the playoffs compared to Galion. Hawkins scheduling thought process for the playoffs might have to be reconsidered. MUCH different factors to be considered, Ontario VS Galion in making the playoffs. Thus your theory is flawed. IMO, Lex will be 1 of the ooc games. If it can be worked out, Shelby will be another. Both due to rivalries, proximity, gates and potential Harbin Points for all parties. All good things considering that recent history shows Ontario can play them close and win on occasion. AND that was with much lesser head coaches than Hawkins. The other ooc game could be Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck for all I know, but not likely to be Senior, Ashland or Madison. Willard is a possibility, they played ooc games for years before Ontario joined the NOL. Good gates for both. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 9:39:28 GMT -5
For the record.
Current NOL
COLUMBIAN 322
SANDUSKY 322
NORWALK 299
BELLEVUE 246
SHELBY 228
ONTARIO 222
WILLARD 143
Future MOAC
MARION HARDING 379
BUCKEYE VALLEY 308
RIVER VALLEY 236
ONTARIO 222
CLEAR FORK 181
GALION 163
NORTH UNION 160
PLEASANT 153
Ontario will be one of the 4 bigger schools in the MOAC. Which will be a much different role for them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 9:43:26 GMT -5
A little more research is that Ontario's and Buckeye Valley's numbers are projected to increase while Galion and Clear Fork have been declining.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 25, 2016 11:13:30 GMT -5
Mr Galion, Lex has 274 and shrinking, Ontario has 228 and growing. Recently neither has been a football power. Why shouldn't they play? Now, there is a HUGE gap in Tennis, CC and Volleyball. If one reads between the lines of what Hawkins said, he would prefer that Lex would be the third game THIS year, instead of the first. He has a new team trying to process all the info of new offensive and defensive systems. Also a team with a fragile psyche after a BAD season and a BAD situation that occurred to the previous coaching staff. A bad loss in game 1 could set his team back in the progress being made. Even thinking about the playoffs NOW is silliness. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 14:57:27 GMT -5
As I have said, I would imagine the possibility of the attendance and gate income would force the AD at both schools to keep this game on the schedule.
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Post by triplex300 on Aug 25, 2016 15:25:00 GMT -5
If Hawkins wants to mover the Lex game, it won't be in the next two years, as Lexington is scheduled to play old OCC foe Orrville week 3
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Post by galion on Aug 25, 2016 18:43:14 GMT -5
Hey, I don't have a crystal ball all I have to go on is what went down when he was here. Now maybe you guys have an AD and administration who will stand up to him and say no. But if he has his way, based on that article Lex won't be your week 1 opponent much longer. WF which one of Shelby's ooc games do you see them dropping to pick up Ontario? Certainly not Madison or Lex. Maybe CF? Thing is I just don't see Hawkins agreeing to play both Lex and Shelby in his ooc schedule. Probably it would be 1 or the other.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Aug 25, 2016 21:25:23 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Shelby is dropping CF in week 3 next year in favor of Willard. I don't see Ontario picking up Shelby anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 7:17:47 GMT -5
The way it sounds from fans in Hawkins past is anyone with a chance to beat Ontario will be off their schedule in the first 3 weeks. ONly time will tell.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 26, 2016 13:45:03 GMT -5
The way it sounds from fans in Hawkins past is anyone with a chance to beat Ontario will be off their schedule in the first 3 weeks. ONly time will tell. If that's the case Ontario will have open dates the first 3 weeks of the season. Outside of Crestline, I can't think of another school that wouldn't "have a chance" to beat Ontario |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 26, 2016 13:48:41 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Shelby is dropping CF in week 3 next year in favor of Willard. I don't see Ontario picking up Shelby anytime soon. So, the Shelby coach is doing the same thing Hawkins is said to do? |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 26, 2016 14:06:20 GMT -5
Hey, I don't have a crystal ball all I have to go on is what went down when he was here. Now maybe you guys have an AD and administration who will stand up to him and say no. But if he has his way, based on that article Lex won't be your week 1 opponent much longer. WF which one of Shelby's ooc games do you see them dropping to pick up Ontario? Certainly not Madison or Lex. Maybe CF? Thing is I just don't see Hawkins agreeing to play both Lex and Shelby in his ooc schedule. Probably it would be 1 or the other. I read the same article differently, maybe I just don't have your Hawkins hate yet;). Shelby and Ontario played each other for many years in ooc games before Ontario joined the NOL. Who knows who and when it could happen. They are neighboring school districts, none of the current schools are. Thing is, you're thinking like little DV Galion, as opposed to DIV, soon to be DIII Ontario. What went down in scheduling at DV Galion to make the playoffs should be much different at larger Division Ontario. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 14:29:49 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Shelby is dropping CF in week 3 next year in favor of Willard. I don't see Ontario picking up Shelby anytime soon. Sounds like Shelby values the rivalry with Willard more than the game with Clear Fork. Logical move. |
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