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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2019 19:34:45 GMT -5
Zero for 10 in D2 not fake news and factually correct. Back meet monkey... One would think with success Joe had once they would have broke through. 97-24 in the regular season over the five years prior 6-5 in the OHSAA D2 tourney... It WAS fake or lackadaisical, your original post said nothing about Divisions. A team can only play in the Division the OHSAA puts them in. The fact remains, playing in the Division the OHSAA put his teams in Balogh won 7 District Titles and 5 runner-ups. You only want to talk about one seventh of a coaches career? Head to head Norwalk vs Ontario this will be a chance for Gray to cut into Balogh's 8-3 advantage. He will retire before Gray catches him. Will Steve coach long enough to get 600?
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Post by nhs12 on Mar 3, 2019 19:45:22 GMT -5
Didn't say Balogh didn't deserve hall of fame, he does. Didn't say he didn't have over 500 wins, he does.
My question was "why do officials put up with his shenanigans?"
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2019 20:02:07 GMT -5
Didn't say Balogh didn't deserve hall of fame, he does. Didn't say he didn't have over 500 wins, he does. My question was "why do officials put up with his shenanigans?" 564 to be exact. Fans dislike Balogh because he out coaches their coaches and beats their teams, Working officials is a poor excuse for the truth. Have you seen Steve Gray coach? Have you seen Rob Sheldon coach? Have you see David Sheldon coach? Have you seen Joe Jakubick coach? Have you seen Steve Mohr coach? Have you seen Colin Irish coach? Have you seen Andy Gast coach? Just a few off the top of my head. Have you been to the State Tournament?
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Post by nhs12 on Mar 3, 2019 20:05:10 GMT -5
Didn't say Balogh didn't deserve hall of fame, he does. Didn't say he didn't have over 500 wins, he does. My question was "why do officials put up with his shenanigans?" Have you seen Steve Gray coach? Have you seen Rob Sheldon coach? Have you see David Sheldon coach? Have you seen Joe Jakubick coach? Have you seen Steve Mohr coach? Have you seen Colin Irish coach? Have you seen Andy Gast coach? Just a few off the top of my head. Have you been to the State Tournament? Yes to all of your questions, besides Andy Gast. Now my question again, "why do officials put up with Balogh and his antics?
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 3, 2019 20:08:09 GMT -5
WF, you leave Coach Gray out of this.
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 3, 2019 20:17:02 GMT -5
Have you seen Steve Gray coach? Have you seen Rob Sheldon coach? Have you see David Sheldon coach? Have you seen Joe Jakubick coach? Have you seen Steve Mohr coach? Have you seen Colin Irish coach? Have you seen Andy Gast coach? Just a few off the top of my head. Have you been to the State Tournament? Yes to all of your questions, besides Andy Gast. Now my question again, "why do officials put up with Balogh and his antics? Can’t you read? He just told you. He only bothers you
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2019 20:25:42 GMT -5
Because his "antics" are no different than the vast majority of successful coach's antics....the successful coaches above. AND how the coaches at the State Tournament work officials, ALL successful coaches. Good officials are impervious, unless a coach swears at them. I know several good officials, they all say the same. Most fans in the stands are clueless.
You say your "n" is not for Norwalk. There only 2 other "n" schools Balogh has coached against. Northmor, which Ontario hasn't played since 1989-90. The other is North Union, who Ontario only played one year. If you're really an "n" school then it's been 30 years since you've seen Balogh coach or your school has only played Ontario twice. OR do you travel around just to watch Ontario play and get more PO'd for no good reason at Balogh?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2019 20:27:18 GMT -5
Yes to all of your questions, besides Andy Gast. Now my question again, "why do officials put up with Balogh and his antics? Can’t you read? He just told you. He only bothers you Is he Dude in disguise?? Is he Vogel?? He doesn't bother me, I love to win debates.
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Post by purefan on Mar 3, 2019 20:27:28 GMT -5
Didn't say Balogh didn't deserve hall of fame, he does. Didn't say he didn't have over 500 wins, he does. My question was "why do officials put up with his shenanigans?" Is it just me or didn’t you just answer your own question.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 3, 2019 20:35:10 GMT -5
Didn't say Balogh didn't deserve hall of fame, he does. Didn't say he didn't have over 500 wins, he does. My question was "why do officials put up with his shenanigans?" Is it just me or didn’t you just answer your own question. 550+ wins doesn't allow for star treatment, cough cough
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Post by nhs12 on Mar 3, 2019 21:24:22 GMT -5
Didn't say Balogh didn't deserve hall of fame, he does. Didn't say he didn't have over 500 wins, he does. My question was "why do officials put up with his shenanigans?" Is it just me or didn’t you just answer your own question. OK you suggest he gets preferential treatment because of his pedigree. That’s an answer unlike Willy’s drivel.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 21:24:38 GMT -5
How many state titles has Balogh won?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2019 21:39:32 GMT -5
One fewer than Gray. They have the same number of trips to the State Finals.
In his only trip to the State Finals he lost to Steve Smith's Orrville in OT, who went on to beat Wheelersburg by 29 in the Finals. Most thought Orrville was the best team in all Divisions at the State Tournament that year.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2019 21:45:11 GMT -5
Is it just me or didn’t you just answer your own question. OK you suggest he gets preferential treatment because of his pedigree. That’s an answer unlike Willy’s drivel. The "n" man is incapable of detecting sarcasm. Weakening even further any claim he makes. Why are you ashamed to tell us the "n" school where you matriculated?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 21:47:26 GMT -5
OK you suggest he gets preferential treatment because of his pedigree. That’s an answer unlike Willy’s drivel. The "n" man is incapable of detecting sarcasm. Weakening even further any claim he makes. You say this yet you didn’t get my sarcastic slight. Serious question, would your buddy Joe trade all his wins for a state title?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2019 21:54:23 GMT -5
The "n" man is incapable of detecting sarcasm. Weakening even further any claim he makes. You say this yet you didn’t get my sarcastic slight. Serious question, would your buddy Joe trade all his wins for a state title? The word "drivel" was not sarcastic. I've never asked him that stupid question. Let's see, 8 wins and 750 losses and a State Title compared to 566 wins and no State Title. To me that's a no brainer. <iframe width="25.360000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 25.360000000000127px; height: 4.840000000000003px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_75032973" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.360000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 25.36px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1206px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_61672417" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.360000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 25.36px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_55186174" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.360000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 25.36px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1206px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_17462280" scrolling="no"></iframe> What are you ashamed of, "n" man?
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Post by nhs12 on Mar 3, 2019 21:57:02 GMT -5
Because his "antics" are no different than the vast majority of successful coach's antics....the successful coaches above. AND how the coaches at the State Tournament work official, ALL successful coaches. Good officials are impervious, unless a coach swears at them. I know several good officials, they all say the same. Most fans in the stands are clueless. You say your "n" is not for Norwalk. There only 2 other "n" schools Balogh has coached against. Northmor, which Ontario hasn't played since 1989-90. The other is North Union, who Ontario has only played one year. If you're really an "n" school then it's been 30 years since you've seen Balogh coach or your school has only played Ontario twice. OR do you travel around just to watch Ontario play and get more PO'd for no good reason at Balogh? Who says Balogh coached against my team? Haven’t been back to my alma mater in twenty years. I do travel around to watch good high school basketball. Balogh has had some good teams so I’ve seen him plenty. With no loyalties makes it easier to call a spade a spade.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2019 22:00:43 GMT -5
Because his "antics" are no different than the vast majority of successful coach's antics....the successful coaches above. AND how the coaches at the State Tournament work official, ALL successful coaches. Good officials are impervious, unless a coach swears at them. I know several good officials, they all say the same. Most fans in the stands are clueless. You say your "n" is not for Norwalk. There only 2 other "n" schools Balogh has coached against. Northmor, which Ontario hasn't played since 1989-90. The other is North Union, who Ontario has only played one year. If you're really an "n" school then it's been 30 years since you've seen Balogh coach or your school has only played Ontario twice. OR do you travel around just to watch Ontario play and get more PO'd for no good reason at Balogh? Who says Balogh coached against my team? Haven’t been back to my alma mater in twenty years. I do travel around to watch good high school basketball. Balogh has had some good teams so I’ve seen him plenty. With no loyalties makes it easier to call a spade a spade. Why are you ashamed of your "team"? Why are you ashamed to say where you're traveling from now? You're trying to make us believe your disdain for Balogh is only because he "works" officials like all other good coaches do? AND good officials do not care. Why should you?
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Post by portwalk on Mar 4, 2019 15:18:52 GMT -5
WF you tend to make points for people, we get the fact that Ontario has been D3 more times than D2. However in the past 1/2 DECADE plus they have been D2, and obviously by their regular season record (noted prior)and have failed to advance. I would think you would agree they have had some pretty good teams (including a #1 AP ranked club that BEAT the eventual state champion) yet NONE of those teams got to regionals. For instance Norwalk was D1 two years and in one of those 2 years they made it to Regionals...
The chance is there this year they just beat what most considered the FAVORITE to advance in Lex, so wouldn't this be an EXCELLENT opportunity for Joe to break the 0fer with a HOT team playing a weak one seed in Norwalk??? We'll see this week
As for trading wins for the TITLE. WF answer this truthfully
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 4, 2019 16:07:04 GMT -5
Portwalk your insane. Would you bet good money on Ontario this year? Past years against Norwalk, Sandusky or Lex?
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Post by portwalk on Mar 4, 2019 19:03:27 GMT -5
Portwalk your insane. Would you bet good money on Ontario this year? Past years against Norwalk, Sandusky or Lex? So let’s look at the past 5 years 2014 NOL champs split with Norwalk yet they failed to beat a team that couldn’t even make a District final 2015 NOL champs beat Sandusky twice in doing so then failed to beat them in the tourney. 2016 NOL champs split with Sandusky yet failed to win the rubber match game falling in the tournament 2017 Did not win the NOL solid team failed to advance losing to Lex 2018 they lost to a very average Clyde team failing to advance after a solid regular season So basically they have had chances and failed I guess upsets NEVER happen.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 4, 2019 19:10:40 GMT -5
So Steel let me get your take who would you have put money on to advance this season? My guess is Lex and now that they are gone why not OHS with Joe at the helm???
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2019 19:21:15 GMT -5
Portwalk your insane. Would you bet good money on Ontario this year? Past years against Norwalk, Sandusky or Lex? So let’s look at the past 5 years 2014 NOL champs split with Norwalk yet they failed to beat a team that couldn’t even make a District final 2015 NOL champs beat Sandusky twice in doing so then failed to beat them in the tourney. 2016 NOL champs split with Sandusky yet failed to win the rubber match game falling in the tournament 2017 Did not win the NOL solid team failed to advance losing to Lex 2018 they lost to a very average Clyde team failing to advance after a solid regular season So basically they have had chances and failed I guess upsets NEVER happen.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2019 19:26:37 GMT -5
2014 - What was the score of the first Norwalk Ontario game? What was the score of the second Norwalk Ontario game? The regular season game between Lex and Ontario was decided in OT. Ontario lost the coin flip in the Tournament.
2015 - Jayrese Williams was a Soph that year. Improved a bunch as the year went on, had a big game in Sandusky's 2 point win. I'm trying to remember, how many times have you said it's hard to beat a GOOD team 3 times in a season. Norwalk was 0-4 against Sandusky and Ontario that year.
2016 - Ontario lost to Sandusky by 12, Ontario beat Sandusky by 2. Sandusky was the favorite in the tournament game. Norwalk was 0-4 against Sandusky and Ontario that year.
2017 - Ontario lost to Lex at Ontario in the regular season. Lex was the favorite in the tournament. Norwalk was 0-3 against Lex and Ontario that year.
2018 - REALLY showing your ignorance with this one. Ontario was 13-9 in the MOAC, Clyde was 16-6 in the SBC Lake. NO ONE, including you thought Ontario was beating Clyde.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 4, 2019 19:37:21 GMT -5
2014 - What was the score of the first Norwalk Ontario game? What was the score of the second Norwalk Ontario game? The regular season game between Lex and Ontario was decided in OT? 2015 - In 2014 I believe Norwalk was a better team however Ontario failed to see if that was the case as they fell to an inferior opponent in Lex who lost their next game..
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Post by portwalk on Mar 4, 2019 19:50:07 GMT -5
I see you had no comment on 2015 as OHS had the POY in the district, beaten their opponent in the regular season yet failed to advance..
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2019 19:58:27 GMT -5
2014 - What was the score of the first Norwalk Ontario game? What was the score of the second Norwalk Ontario game? The regular season game between Lex and Ontario was decided in OT. Ontario lost the coin flip in the Tournament. 2015 - Jayrese Williams was a Soph that year. Improved a bunch as the year went on, had a big game in Sandusky's 2 point win. I'm trying to remember, how many times have you said it's hard to beat a GOOD team 3 times in a season. Norwalk was 0-4 against Sandusky and Ontario. 2016 - Ontario lost to Sandusky by 12, Ontario beat Sandusky by 2. Sandusky was the favorite in the tournament game. Norwalk was 0-4 against Sandusky and Ontario. 2017 - Ontario lost to Lex at Ontario in the regular season. Lex was the favorite in the tournament. Norwalk was 0-3 against Lex and Ontario. 2018 - REALLY showing your ignorance with this one. Ontario was 13-9 in the MOAC, Clyde was 16-6 in the SBC Lake. NO ONE, including your thought Ontario was beating Clyde. In only one of those 5 years was Ontario a atrong favorite like Norwalk is this year.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 4, 2019 20:00:54 GMT -5
I don't know about "strong" favorite.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2019 20:01:18 GMT -5
2014 - What was the score of the first Norwalk Ontario game? What was the score of the second Norwalk Ontario game? The regular season game between Lex and Ontario was decided in OT? 2015 - In 2014 I believe Norwalk was a better team however Ontario failed to see if that was the case as they fell to an inferior opponent in Lex who lost their next game.. Showing your ignorance again. How does loser of an OT game in the regular season become an "inferior opponent" when they play in the Tournament??
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2019 20:04:26 GMT -5
I don't know about "strong" favorite. Think of it this way. Norwalk won the regular season game by 18. in 2015 Lex loses to Ontario in the regular season in OT and Portwalk thinks Ontario was a strong favorite to beat Lex in the tournament.
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