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Post by jmorgret07 on Oct 26, 2019 15:31:52 GMT -5
Anyone see the little shot that Zeigler took in the paper at Columbian? I missed it at first until someone told me to read it again.
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Post by Birdman on Oct 26, 2019 15:42:38 GMT -5
Sandusky Register article?
Didn’t see anything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 15:49:53 GMT -5
Go out with a bang, his time is coming to an end at Perkins
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 26, 2019 15:50:17 GMT -5
Sandusky Register article? Didn’t see anything. It's in the A-T article regarding the game, and Ziegler was slick about it, Ha!
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 26, 2019 15:52:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 16:07:24 GMT -5
Ziegler is not making anything up, tiffin cheated
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Post by kingmartinez on Oct 26, 2019 17:13:18 GMT -5
Ziegler is not making anything up, tiffin cheated Yes they did. Lutz has quickly become the least respected area coach in the coaching world and the winter practices are only one piece of it. It's too bad because his antics take away from a good team and the kids.
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Post by tchldad on Oct 26, 2019 17:18:58 GMT -5
Anyone see the little shot that Zeigler took in the paper at Columbian? I missed it at first until someone told me to read it again. not sure what you’re referring to. Maybe making something out of nothing??
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Post by jmorgret07 on Oct 26, 2019 17:54:59 GMT -5
Anyone see the little shot that Zeigler took in the paper at Columbian? I missed it at first until someone told me to read it again. not sure what you’re referring to. Maybe making something out of nothing?? "That’s a good team. I’ll give them all the credit in the world. When you play them and watch them, it’s like they’ve been practicing all year."
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 26, 2019 18:34:32 GMT -5
not sure what you’re referring to. Maybe making something out of nothing?? "That’s a good team. I’ll give them all the credit in the world. When you play them and watch them, it’s like they’ve been practicing all year." like I said, slick! Lmbo
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Post by dolittle on Oct 26, 2019 19:00:07 GMT -5
Anyone see the little shot that Zeigler took in the paper at Columbian? I missed it at first until someone told me to read it again. not sure what you’re referring to. Maybe making something out of nothing?? The fact they were running practices at the Hemminger Center ring a Bell? Like all winter long on the weekends?
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Post by tchldad on Oct 26, 2019 19:16:19 GMT -5
not sure what you’re referring to. Maybe making something out of nothing?? The fact they were running practices at the Hemminger Center ring a Bell? Like all winter long on the weekends? i definitely do not think what he did is right, or acceptable, but those couple practices, without many of his starters, had any affect on this game. Ziegler is just looking for excuses for his inability to coach a successful team.
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Post by dolittle on Oct 26, 2019 19:38:44 GMT -5
Correct. But, obviously TC plays by their own rules. I think the point was, they have dudes that are darn good - they don't need to break the rules to get an edge. And if you think its only Ziegler you are wrong - add Long, Carter, Nasonti and Fox to that list.
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 26, 2019 20:15:34 GMT -5
not sure what you’re referring to. Maybe making something out of nothing?? The fact they were running practices at the Hemminger Center ring a Bell? Like all winter long on the weekends? Sometimes, one needs an edge going against Ross, Waite, Vermilion, et al.
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 26, 2019 21:17:34 GMT -5
not sure what you’re referring to. Maybe making something out of nothing?? "That’s a good team. I’ll give them all the credit in the world. When you play them and watch them, it’s like they’ve been practicing all year." Calling a spade a spade.. i bet alot of coaches got a chuckle out of it.. ,,, Jason's a competitor , rather you like him as a coach or not. He tells you how it is... Perkins maybe in one of the strongest D-3/4 conferences in Ohio..
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Post by heavydrop7 on Oct 26, 2019 22:53:31 GMT -5
A bit of the pot calling the kettle black here. In the spring of 2018, the Pirates were holding what they called “throwing sessions” in the school gym installing their “new” offensive scheme. This extra practice had a major impact on their offense, and was the main factor behind their drastic improvement to 2-8, from the prior seasons 2-8 record.😆 Seriously though, no pads or anything like that, but it was led by coaches, and they were running plays. Sounds like practice to me. IDK to what lengths Columbian went to, but either way it’s cheating. I’m willing to bet a lot more schools do it than the ones you hear about getting caught.
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Post by coachdappling on Oct 28, 2019 13:24:06 GMT -5
This Ziegler guy should work on improving his team and not take potshots at another program. I saw Perkins play in week #2. They looked athletic and for sure had some players. However, they consistently were not lined up correctly and were confused by Maumee's spread offense. They also nearly lost to Maumee...a team that will finish 1-9. Years ago, I heard Rock Farlow speak at a clinic. He said that "Perkins (due to its track program) will always have fast kids and has great parental support." He went on to talk about how he repped fundamentals (blocking and tackling). Farlow was successful at Perkins. I know that Farlow had Damar Penthorn and Brandon Schnitker. However, has the talent really dropped off that much? When I saw Perkins play, they looked poorly coached, which is directly attributable to their head coach.
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Post by scout15 on Oct 28, 2019 13:26:53 GMT -5
Not why sure people get bent out of shape over a true statement.
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Post by heavydrop7 on Oct 28, 2019 13:56:32 GMT -5
Not why sure people get bent out of shape over a true statement. Definitely not bent out of shape about the statement, because it is true and it is cheating. Zeigler is hardly the guy that should be calling any other coach out, especially when he is guilty of doing the exact same thing. He’s just mad that his cheating didn’t make his team any better. 😆
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 28, 2019 13:59:23 GMT -5
If you aren't cheating, you ain't tryin'.
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 28, 2019 14:00:21 GMT -5
This Ziegler guy should work on improving his team and not take potshots at another program. I saw Perkins play in week #2. They looked athletic and for sure had some players. However, they consistently were not lined up correctly and were confused by Maumee's spread offense. They also nearly lost to Maumee...a team that will finish 1-9. Years ago, I heard Rock Farlow speak at a clinic. He said that "Perkins (due to its track program) will always have fast kids and has great parental support." He went on to talk about how he repped fundamentals (blocking and tackling). Farlow was successful at Perkins. I know that Farlow had Damar Penthorn and Brandon Schnitker. However, has the talent really dropped off that much? When I saw Perkins play, they looked poorly coached, which is directly attributable to their head coach. Jon Souter is holding for you on Line 2. He thinks he is chopped liver.
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 28, 2019 14:13:16 GMT -5
This Ziegler guy should work on improving his team and not take potshots at another program. I saw Perkins play in week #2. They looked athletic and for sure had some players. However, they consistently were not lined up correctly and were confused by Maumee's spread offense. They also nearly lost to Maumee...a team that will finish 1-9. Years ago, I heard Rock Farlow speak at a clinic. He said that "Perkins (due to its track program) will always have fast kids and has great parental support." He went on to talk about how he repped fundamentals (blocking and tackling). Farlow was successful at Perkins. I know that Farlow had Damar Penthorn and Brandon Schnitker. However, has the talent really dropped off that much? When I saw Perkins play, they looked poorly coached, which is directly attributable to their head coach. Oh my! that 99 group was once in a lifetime deal.. they aint even close on those type of athletes.. and farlow is right..perkins will always have fast kids,, just not all play football like those olden days..
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 28, 2019 14:19:59 GMT -5
This Ziegler guy should work on improving his team and not take potshots at another program. I saw Perkins play in week #2. They looked athletic and for sure had some players. However, they consistently were not lined up correctly and were confused by Maumee's spread offense. They also nearly lost to Maumee...a team that will finish 1-9. Years ago, I heard Rock Farlow speak at a clinic. He said that "Perkins (due to its track program) will always have fast kids and has great parental support." He went on to talk about how he repped fundamentals (blocking and tackling). Farlow was successful at Perkins. I know that Farlow had Damar Penthorn and Brandon Schnitker. However, has the talent really dropped off that much? When I saw Perkins play, they looked poorly coached, which is directly attributable to their head coach. Oh my! that 99 group was once in a lifetime deal.. they aint even close on those type of athletes.. and farlow is right..perkins will always have fast kids,, just not all play football like those olden days.. IIRC, they were lucky to have 40 kids on their roster.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Oct 28, 2019 14:52:51 GMT -5
If you aren't cheating, you ain't tryin'. It's only cheating if you get caught.
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Post by heavydrop7 on Oct 28, 2019 15:49:59 GMT -5
Hey Jake, Don’t forget about Mel Burns
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 28, 2019 15:59:58 GMT -5
Oh my! that 99 group was once in a lifetime deal.. they aint even close on those type of athletes.. and farlow is right..perkins will always have fast kids,, just not all play football like those olden days.. IIRC, they were lucky to have 40 kids on their roster. doesnt matter they don't have those kinda kids walking the halls right now..you're talking division I college athletes..
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 28, 2019 16:16:38 GMT -5
Hey Jake, Don’t forget about Mel Burns Geez oh Pete, that one escaped me.
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Post by CrazyFast1 on Oct 28, 2019 16:25:50 GMT -5
Is this the loop hole? Or was there more to it?
8. Regulations for Participation in Camps, Clinics, Workshops and Programs Where Individual Skill Instruction is Provided 8.1) Definitions 8.1.1) Definition of Individual Skill/Coaching Instruction – Instruction or coaching provided to a member of a school team in which the techniques and skills of the sport are being taught and the activity does not involve team instruction. 8.1.2) Definition of Providing Individual Skill/Coaching Instruction – It is considered to be providing individual skill/coaching instruction by a school coach when the techniques and skills of the sport are taught in a one-on-one or individual setting. This means instruction or coaching comes directly to a student-athlete from a coach or instructor. A student-athlete watching video/film with a coach or instructor is also an activity defined as individual skill/ coaching instruction. In the team sports of baseball, basketball, field hockey, football, ice hockey, lacrosse, soccer, softball and volleyball and the selected individual sports of cross country, track & field and wrestling, individual skill/coaching instruction is permissible when no more than four members of a school team or individuals are present at one time in all facilities where the individual skill/coaching instruction is taking place.
8.3.2.) From June 1 through July 31 From School Coaches – Individual skill/coaching instruction may be received by a member of a school team or individuals at any time from school coaches provided that no more than four members of a school team or individuals are present at one time in all facilities where the individual skill/coaching instruction is taking place. coaching opportunities permitted from school coaches between June 1 and July 31
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Post by blodg on Oct 29, 2019 10:22:51 GMT -5
No loop hole, from my understanding they were doing off season throwing with coach(s) in attendance and were punished for it by losing one or two 2-a-days. It’s funny how Ziegler and other whiners bring this up as if that is why Colombian is a good team. They did not have as many 2-a-days which are more valuable than off season throwing. They were punished and did the time. Like others said, many teams seem to bend the rules. 7 years ago when my older son was in HS I happened to be driving through Bellevue during 2-a-days so I swung by the school and sat in my car eating lunch for a half hour or so while they practiced. I was a little surprised to see that on the 3rd or 4th day of practice they were tackling to the ground over and over. I think a lot of kids have “oops” and get carried away but basically they were doing full contact before it was officially allowed. I sure as hell didn’t come on the forum and whine about it and Bellevue was one of Columbian’s 2 losses that year before Tiffin went on a playoff run. Doesn’t make it right but many teams seem to bend the rules but most don’t get caught.
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Post by richrod on Oct 30, 2019 22:36:34 GMT -5
No loop hole, from my understanding they were doing off season throwing with coach(s) in attendance and were punished for it by losing one or two 2-a-days. It’s funny how Ziegler and other whiners bring this up as if that is why Colombian is a good team. They did not have as many 2-a-days which are more valuable than off season throwing. They were punished and did the time. Like others said, many teams seem to bend the rules. 7 years ago when my older son was in HS I happened to be driving through Bellevue during 2-a-days so I swung by the school and sat in my car eating lunch for a half hour or so while they practiced. I was a little surprised to see that on the 3rd or 4th day of practice they were tackling to the ground over and over. I think a lot of kids have “oops” and get carried away but basically they were doing full contact before it was officially allowed. I sure as hell didn’t come on the forum and whine about it and Bellevue was one of Columbian’s 2 losses that year before Tiffin went on a playoff run. Doesn’t make it right but many teams seem to bend the rules but most don’t get caught. haha, this whole post is comical. A ball carrier going down during the 4th two a day, versus over 20 kids having a practice run by coaches more than once in the winter. Not even close. Good try though. Tiffin will have to rebuild some credibility in football with the rest of the league for a while, or until Lutz is done. I am not sure Tiffin cares though.
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