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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 6, 2020 9:49:51 GMT -5
You said he is a D1 player. That is a fact, not fake news.
And mud slinging portwalk? Just because people disagree? Ok. Trying to create something that isn’t there.
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Post by dude on Mar 6, 2020 10:28:16 GMT -5
You said he is a D1 player. That is a fact, not fake news. And mud slinging portwalk? Just because people disagree? Ok. Trying to create something that isn’t there. Welcome to NCOAST.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 6, 2020 13:37:09 GMT -5
No trying to create anything just reading a Willard fan calling a Willard fan a DH or DB kinda harsh
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 6, 2020 14:07:34 GMT -5
I’ve been called worse, thick skin my friend.
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Post by dude on Mar 6, 2020 14:36:42 GMT -5
Replacing 40 points will not be easy but having a D1 athlete on the roster would make it easier. If the kid can make this happen the results could be good. My guess is there is a good chance it will be a lot like this season. Lots of hype, not an extreme tough schedule, some good games that impress, but borderline underachieved.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 6, 2020 16:44:59 GMT -5
We have a feisty bunch, here.
Portwalk, leave these cats alone. Our energy should be tomorrow afternoon game. Ha!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 6, 2020 16:59:35 GMT -5
The "fake news" was more about a DI prospect. We've already been through Tahj and DI. And he didn't have to develop anything. If a jump shot is developed is he an equal to Tahj? Is he even an equal to Parrott? Is Parrott DI?
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 7, 2020 16:31:11 GMT -5
If you combined the best attributes of both Cooper and Myles---you'd possibly have a D1 scholarship athlete. Cooper has made visits to a number of schools,,for both football and basketball. I would suspect he has some offers on both in the D2--NAIA division. He's a smart kid too so he's got a lot going for him.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 7, 2020 19:14:45 GMT -5
Was just sitting around the kitchen table talking with a few of the ball players that will be returning next year. First, they are really disappointed in how their season ended, especially after seeing a few teams they beat make it to district finals and regionals. I think that has them motivated to put the work in this off season. They also think they are gonna be a bit undersized next year, with the biggest kid being a generous 6'3" right now. Up-tempo is how they want to play. They think they have a legit 8/9 kids that can play meaningful minutes. Alot of full court pressure and running the floor. It would be fun to see, just not sure we have the horses to play that style.
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 7, 2020 19:20:48 GMT -5
Was just sitting around the kitchen table talking with a few of the ball players that will be returning next year. First, they are really disappointed in how their season ended, especially after seeing a few teams they beat make it to district finals and regionals. I think that has them motivated to put the work in this off season. They also think they are gonna be a bit undersized next year, with the biggest kid being a generous 6'3" right now. Up-tempo is how they want to play. They think they have a legit 8/9 kids that can play meaningful minutes. Alot of full court pressure and running the floor. It would be fun to see, just not sure we have the horses to play that style. Be ready for your post to be dissected relentlessly and told how wrong you are on multiple points.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 7, 2020 19:22:56 GMT -5
Was just sitting around the kitchen table talking with a few of the ball players that will be returning next year. First, they are really disappointed in how their season ended, especially after seeing a few teams they beat make it to district finals and regionals. I think that has them motivated to put the work in this off season. They also think they are gonna be a bit undersized next year, with the biggest kid being a generous 6'3" right now. Up-tempo is how they want to play. They think they have a legit 8/9 kids that can play meaningful minutes. Alot of full court pressure and running the floor. It would be fun to see, just not sure we have the horses to play that style. Be ready for your post to be dissected relentlessly and told how wrong you are on multiple points. lol, I'm sure! That's what they do on here.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 13, 2020 5:52:16 GMT -5
Two things as a Flashes fan and supporter I'd love to see with the 20-21 team:
Play 8-9 players consistently to keep guys fresh- even if it's painful at the beginning. The dividends might not come till later, but i'm thinking they will eventually. Play a fast, aggressive full court pressing and trapping defense after each made basket--From start to finish. I think this will be fun to watch. It will keep more players engaged in the season and they will practice harder which will make us the best we can be.
Not that this is the ultimate goal, but I also think our crowds would be larger---which does nothing but help your Athletic program.
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 13, 2020 7:28:42 GMT -5
Two things as a Flashes fan and supporter I'd love to see with the 20-21 team: Play 8-9 players consistently to keep guys fresh- even if it's painful at the beginning. The dividends might not come till later, but i'm thinking they will eventually. Play a fast, aggressive full court pressing and trapping defense after each made basket--From start to finish. I think this will be fun to watch. It will keep more players engaged in the season and they will practice harder which will make us the best we can be. Not that this is the ultimate goal, but I also think our crowds would be larger---which does nothing but help your Athletic program. That would mean you are rebuilding. I think there were 2-3 kids that could have played that very role this year but that wasn't the coach's philosophy. You can try and press an entire game with 5-6 players but the kids will be out of gas by the 4th. I like your idea, just don't think it will happen.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 13, 2020 8:11:58 GMT -5
Two things as a Flashes fan and supporter I'd love to see with the 20-21 team: Play 8-9 players consistently to keep guys fresh- even if it's painful at the beginning. The dividends might not come till later, but i'm thinking they will eventually. Play a fast, aggressive full court pressing and trapping defense after each made basket--From start to finish. I think this will be fun to watch. It will keep more players engaged in the season and they will practice harder which will make us the best we can be. Not that this is the ultimate goal, but I also think our crowds would be larger---which does nothing but help your Athletic program. That would mean you are rebuilding. I think there were 2-3 kids that could have played that very role this year but that wasn't the coach's philosophy. You can try and press an entire game with 5-6 players but the kids will be out of gas by the 4th. I like your idea, just don't think it will happen. I guess if adapting ur style of play to the strength of your athletes is rebuilding, then ok. Not my definition of rebuilding. Any good coach evaluates his athlete's strengths and tries to instill a style that takes advantage of those strengths. To BK's idea, I like it as do the players I've spoke with. I think all 4 returning lettermen that saw alot of playing time are capable of that style. I also think there are 3 or 4 others that are capable. The key will be off season conditioning, endurance, stamina, etc. It would be fun, but I agree....I don't think it will happen.
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 13, 2020 9:42:03 GMT -5
That would mean you are rebuilding. I think there were 2-3 kids that could have played that very role this year but that wasn't the coach's philosophy. You can try and press an entire game with 5-6 players but the kids will be out of gas by the 4th. I like your idea, just don't think it will happen. I guess if adapting ur style of play to the strength of your athletes is rebuilding, then ok. Not my definition of rebuilding. Any good coach evaluates his athlete's strengths and tries to instill a style that takes advantage of those strengths. To BK's idea, I like it as do the players I've spoke with. I think all 4 returning lettermen that saw alot of playing time are capable of that style. I also think there are 3 or 4 others that are capable. The key will be off season conditioning, endurance, stamina, etc. It would be fun, but I agree....I don't think it will happen. Rebuilding to me is trying to find your identity. I get the fact that Willard has 3 starters returning but again, the leadership of those 3 were not front and center this past year. That is no fault of their own and it was because the team had that already. They will need to rebuild that part of their program and it is needed to have a successful season. I would love to see 4 quarters of hell (full court press the entire time) but that would mean crazy conditioning during the off season and using 8-9 kids.
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Post by Jahleh on Mar 13, 2020 15:42:40 GMT -5
Already talking about next year?? Is Willard supposed to be nationally ranked next year?
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 13, 2020 16:45:08 GMT -5
No not Nationally ranked. We are pretty passionate about our hoops teams,,, boys and girls.
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Post by Jahleh on Mar 13, 2020 19:00:15 GMT -5
No not Nationally ranked. We are pretty passionate about our hoops teams,,, boys and girls. I will pray for you and your family.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 13, 2020 19:58:04 GMT -5
Two things as a Flashes fan and supporter I'd love to see with the 20-21 team: Play 8-9 players consistently to keep guys fresh- even if it's painful at the beginning. The dividends might not come till later, but i'm thinking they will eventually. Play a fast, aggressive full court pressing and trapping defense after each made basket--From start to finish. I think this will be fun to watch. It will keep more players engaged in the season and they will practice harder which will make us the best we can be. Not that this is the ultimate goal, but I also think our crowds would be larger---which does nothing but help your Athletic program. What is "fun to watch" is NEVER a principle goal of a good coach. Each year he must be flexible and adapt to what he truly believes will result in the most wins for his team. Wouldn't what would be the most "fun to watch" for fans be what ever results in the most wins? Winning, more than anything, is what makes "crowds larger".
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 14, 2020 5:54:27 GMT -5
Winning is always first and foremost in my mind too. I'm of the opinion,,which is only that and nothing more as I am not the coach, is that what I saw OG do,,WHS could do as well. Not for my own viewing pleasure,,, but because it could work with the players we have returning and make us better. It will be a different team in 20-21. We don't have a Cooper or Skeeter type player who could score because of their unique skill set, so we'll need to score differently this next year. Joe and Hirsch will have a plan that will make us the best we can be. I'm just a fan speculating on what I think could work for sake of conversation on a message board with other HS hoop fans.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 14, 2020 7:28:21 GMT -5
Winning is always first and foremost in my mind too. I'm of the opinion,,which is only that and nothing more as I am not the coach, is that what I saw OG do,,WHS could do as well. Not for my own viewing pleasure,,, but because it could work with the players we have returning and make us better. It will be a different team in 20-21. We don't have a Cooper or Skeeter type player who could score because of their unique skill set, so we'll need to score differently this next year. Joe and Hirsch will have a plan that will make us the best we can be. I'm just a fan speculating on what I think could work for sake of conversation on a message board with other HS hoop fans. Just out of curiosity, in your opinion BK, what was their unique skill sets? Skeeter at 6'8", could handle the ball, and a decent perimeter shooter, and fairly athletic for his size. Cooper at 6'3", a decent ball handler, and a decent shooter. What else you got?
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 14, 2020 8:06:53 GMT -5
Winning is always first and foremost in my mind too. I'm of the opinion,,which is only that and nothing more as I am not the coach, is that what I saw OG do,,WHS could do as well. Not for my own viewing pleasure,,, but because it could work with the players we have returning and make us better. It will be a different team in 20-21. We don't have a Cooper or Skeeter type player who could score because of their unique skill set, so we'll need to score differently this next year. Joe and Hirsch will have a plan that will make us the best we can be. I'm just a fan speculating on what I think could work for sake of conversation on a message board with other HS hoop fans. Just out of curiosity, in your opinion BK, what was their unique skill sets? Skeeter at 6'8", could handle the ball, and a decent perimeter shooter, and fairly athletic for his size. Cooper at 6'3", a decent ball handler, and a decent shooter. What else you got? Me, me, pick me. I have to jump in here, sorry BK, and answer this one. It is very unique to have two kids that have leadership skills on the floor at once. Taking both out at the same time never worked because it meant the leadership on the floor drooped dramatically. That will be the challenge next year.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 14, 2020 8:48:32 GMT -5
Skeeter at 6'8 and being able to handle the ball, blocks shots,alter shots, and shoot from distance I think made him pretty unique. Had we had another big guy who was maybe a little more physical around the basket,,man than would have helped a lot. He did so many things that helped us. He's a college player at some level no doubt in my mind.
Cooper essentially changed the compass for Willard basketball when he came back. He was the leader, the scorer, the shooter and was the guy that teams had to account for when they were on defense. You'd have to go back to Jimmy to find someone close to that as far as an offensive threat. He is another guy who is a college level talent player at some level in either Football or Basketball.
We won't have these two talented kids around next season, so we'll have to evolve with other kids and find ways to score.
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Post by dude on Mar 14, 2020 9:17:34 GMT -5
Winning is always first and foremost in my mind too. I'm of the opinion,,which is only that and nothing more as I am not the coach, is that what I saw OG do,,WHS could do as well. Not for my own viewing pleasure,,, but because it could work with the players we have returning and make us better. It will be a different team in 20-21. We don't have a Cooper or Skeeter type player who could score because of their unique skill set, so we'll need to score differently this next year. Joe and Hirsch will have a plan that will make us the best we can be. I'm just a fan speculating on what I think could work for sake of conversation on a message board with other HS hoop fans. First, OG plays 5 kids 6'4 or taller that can run the floor and jump above the rim and trap at 90 feet. WHS does not have that. Second, OG has a couple kids that shot over 40% from 3 at a high quantity. Does Willard have that returning? Third and final. OG is always able to go 8-9 deep on their bench. So this is routine and you see very little dip in the teams play when they sub. Can that be simulated in one season? I'm not saying WHS cannot play this way but to think they can be just like one of the best teams in the state may be a over dreaming. Specially when your average height could be 5 inches shorter. If you really watched the CC game you saw the height advantage make a big difference. Having 6'1 and 6'2 in the paint would not be close to the same game. JMO
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 14, 2020 9:39:17 GMT -5
Discussion and Opinion is what makes America great.
I disagree that you need a bunch of 6'4 guys to run it and be effective. You need the right players to run it and be effective is what I think.
In Paxton Pinkston Dawson and Adelman---I think these 4 for sure fit that role. All in the 6'2---6'3 range
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Post by dude on Mar 14, 2020 10:37:04 GMT -5
Discussion and Opinion is what makes America great. I disagree that you need a bunch of 6'4 guys to run it and be effective. You need the right players to run it and be effective is what I think.In Paxton Pinkston Dawson and Adelman---I think these 4 for sure fit that role. All in the 6'2---6'3 range I agree with this absolutely, but your reference to OG needed to be aware of the reasons it works for them so well. They have not always been this dominate in seasons when they do not have 6'4,6'5,6'7,6'7 that can defend at 80 feet.
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 14, 2020 10:55:31 GMT -5
Discussion and Opinion is what makes America great. I disagree that you need a bunch of 6'4 guys to run it and be effective. You need the right players to run it and be effective is what I think. In Paxton Pinkston Dawson and Adelman---I think these 4 for sure fit that role. All in the 6'2---6'3 range Paxton is the only one that has the potential in this group that can consistently make the outside shout. That is what CP and TB brought to the table.
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Post by Jahleh on Mar 14, 2020 10:59:10 GMT -5
sounds like you guys would love to take this kid out to lunch
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 14, 2020 11:06:17 GMT -5
sounds like you guys would love to take this kid out to lunch [br Who, the Paxton kid?
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Post by dude on Mar 14, 2020 11:31:35 GMT -5
I'm just a fan ........... of conversation on a message board with other HS hoop fans. Exactly my thoughts every time I log in.
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