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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 24, 2021 14:30:24 GMT -5
Your information is appreciated
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Post by moacpops on Feb 25, 2021 7:17:50 GMT -5
Back to talkin hoops. Tournament Update: Pleasant and Galion are out. Both lost by 30+ points. R Valley, M Harding, Ontario, Shelby, and CF to play for sectional titles. R Valley, M Harding, and Ontario all won games as expected over lower seeded teams. #12 seed R Valley now takes on #5 seed Delaware Buckeye Valley. #32 seed M Harding now takes on #3 seed Hilliard Bradley. #2 seed Ontario takes on #5 seed Mansfield Sr. #1 seed Shelby takes on #8 seed Vermillion. #7 seed ClearFork takes on #6 seed Huron Go MOAC!
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Post by whippetfan on Feb 25, 2021 9:10:06 GMT -5
The Ontario-Mansfield Sr game could be interesting. Doesn’t sound like Ontario played all that well earlier this week. These are the two teams as a Shelby fan that I’m most concerned about if we want to get out of this district. Never easy beating a Balogh coached team two times in a season, let alone possibly three times. And you just don’t see many teams all year with Senior’s athleticism. I know we’ve beaten everyone on that side of the bracket so far this year but call me worried. Bad memories of good Shelby teams losing in District's to teams we beat earlier.
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Post by juju on Feb 25, 2021 10:10:13 GMT -5
The Ontario-Mansfield Sr game could be interesting. Doesn’t sound like Ontario played all that well earlier this week. These are the two teams as a Shelby fan that I’m most concerned about if we want to get out of this district. Never easy beating a Balogh coached team two times in a season, let alone possibly three times. And you just don’t see many teams all year with Senior’s athleticism. I know we’ve beaten everyone on that side of the bracket so far this year but call me worried. Bad memories of good Shelby teams losing in District's to teams we beat earlier. Senior playing without Shad Creamer their best player in many people opinion. Probably won’t make it past Ontario and if they do then I doubt they stand a chance vs Shelby.
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Post by dude on Feb 25, 2021 10:21:58 GMT -5
The Ontario-Mansfield Sr game could be interesting. Doesn’t sound like Ontario played all that well earlier this week. These are the two teams as a Shelby fan that I’m most concerned about if we want to get out of this district. Never easy beating a Balogh coached team two times in a season, let alone possibly three times. And you just don’t see many teams all year with Senior’s athleticism. I know we’ve beaten everyone on that side of the bracket so far this year but call me worried. Bad memories of good Shelby teams losing in District's to teams we beat earlier. Since you played Mansfield they have lost at least 3 players and would not be the same team. This may also be a factor in the Mansfield/Ontario game. Although I think your concerns are legit when you consider the coaches you may have to face there is very little debate as to who should be the highly favored roster. I would say that in your memory of losses in District that may not have been the case. Madison was the only upset loss in Districts for Shelby that I can remember in recent years.
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Post by dude on Feb 25, 2021 10:26:56 GMT -5
The Ontario-Mansfield Sr game could be interesting. Doesn’t sound like Ontario played all that well earlier this week. These are the two teams as a Shelby fan that I’m most concerned about if we want to get out of this district. Never easy beating a Balogh coached team two times in a season, let alone possibly three times. And you just don’t see many teams all year with Senior’s athleticism. I know we’ve beaten everyone on that side of the bracket so far this year but call me worried. Bad memories of good Shelby teams losing in District's to teams we beat earlier. Senior playing without Shad Creamer their best player in many people opinion. Probably won’t make it past Ontario and if they do then I doubt they stand a chance vs Shelby. Making it past Ontario would be an upset. Making it past Ontario and Upper or Norwalk to get to Shelby would be amazing. If Mansfield does play Shelby again this season, I assume Shad Creamer would be back.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2021 12:02:28 GMT -5
The Ontario-Mansfield Sr game could be interesting. Doesn’t sound like Ontario played all that well earlier this week. These are the two teams as a Shelby fan that I’m most concerned about if we want to get out of this district. Never easy beating a Balogh coached team two times in a season, let alone possibly three times. And you just don’t see many teams all year with Senior’s athleticism. I know we’ve beaten everyone on that side of the bracket so far this year but call me worried. Bad memories of good Shelby teams losing in District's to teams we beat earlier. With their PG out for 2 games, it means Senior is missing 2 starters and 2 bench players from earlier in the season. Three due to being open enrollment kids that could only play the first 11 games. I believe there was another transfer earlier in the season that is no longer with the team. All those transfers helped a weak returning roster, but caused team issues. Senior's athleticism always makes them a threat, if their defense creates turnovers and they score off them. Bellevue did a good job containing Shaver by doubling and face guarding him. Teams that have done that have had some success against them. Interestingly Senior didn't do that in their first game. I assume their coach thought he had players that could handle him one one one. It didn't work that way, as Shaver went for 30 something. I expect there will be a different strategy in the 2nd game. Also against Bellevue Ontario's #2 scorer was in foul trouble all night. Ontario's bench stepped up to replace their scoring.
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Post by baldref on Feb 26, 2021 20:06:22 GMT -5
After trailing end of 1st, shelby wins 71-36 over vermillion
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Post by moacpops on Feb 26, 2021 22:33:43 GMT -5
Ontario 57, Senior 53 Huron 57 CF 51 Hilliard Bradley 62, M Harding 16
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Post by dude on Feb 26, 2021 22:50:01 GMT -5
WOW 16 points.
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Post by 4 on Feb 26, 2021 23:34:12 GMT -5
Pack line defense by Bradley, nothing like it.
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Post by dude on Feb 27, 2021 9:16:58 GMT -5
Pack line defense by Bradley, nothing like it. Most teams could take half court shots for 32 minutes and make more than 5.
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Post by moacpops on Feb 28, 2021 1:27:53 GMT -5
Delaware Buckeye Valley 68 R Valley 60 sectional final Delaware BV was quarantined until the day of the game. Media story said 10 days no practice. Ontario and Shelby still in.
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Post by brownsguy on Feb 28, 2021 19:28:54 GMT -5
BV plays much better defense and is better coached. Not surprised with this result even though BV was coming off of a quarantine.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 28, 2021 20:32:15 GMT -5
BV also had a lot more talent than RV this year.
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Post by dude on Mar 1, 2021 7:26:09 GMT -5
The old saying is well known about defense.
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Post by moacpops on Mar 1, 2021 12:11:24 GMT -5
BV also had a lot more talent than RV this year. I think youre wrong. R Valley had Bell and Johnson, both went over 1,000 points in career this season. R Valley tied for second in MOAC and was the only MOAC team to beat Shelby. Long kid was 2nd team all-MOAC. Bell and Johnson 1st team. 3 of the top 14 players were RV. Shelby and R Valley had 3 kids on 1st and 2nd teams. No other team. BV is good. Not great. Thanks to 270hoops site. BV - 14-6 record. BV losses:Lost to Hartley. Hartley (13-7) with 4th quarter rally to beat Highland by 6 in sectional semifinals. Highland was near bottom of KMAC 5-15 record . Hartley lost in sectional finals. Lost to Big Walnut. #26 Seed in Division I Columbus. BW (11-9) beat #42 seed by 2 in sectional semifinals. Lost in sectional finals. Lost to #11 seed in D2 Bexley (9-7). Bexley lost in sectional-semifinals to a lower seed. Lost to #9 seed in Div. 3 Columbus Academy (13-7 record) Lost to #1 seed in D3 Worthington Christian twice. Close first game, 18 point loss the second game. WC is great. No issue with these 2 losses. My point - Saying BV has a lot more talent is disrespecting the talent of R Valley and the entire MOAC.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 1, 2021 12:16:55 GMT -5
There's talent, talent and TALENT
Do not be untruthful. I DID NOT say BV was "great".
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Post by moacpops on Mar 1, 2021 12:25:58 GMT -5
BV has that much TALENT? Why did they lose to average teams? Which of the talent levels is Shelby? Ontario? Saying BV is not great. Has a lot more talent than R Valley is saying top MOAC teams are average. agree? "Average" Ontario beat Willard 59-50. What is Willard? below average? I said BV was good, not great. I didn't say you said it. I was truthful. I call it as i see it. I have said the MOAC has been bad in tournaments for many years. I think R Valley should have won more games. I think Marion and CF shoudl have won more games. I thought Pleasant would lose more games. I agree with you that MOAC is not as successful as other similar conferences if thats what you meant. Disagree on individual talent
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 1, 2021 14:01:32 GMT -5
RV - 12-10 record. Did BV play Galion, Pleasant and Clear fork twice? Why did RV lose to 4 schools with losing records? You didn't show us those. I did not say BV has TALENT. I just pointed out there was talent TALENT and TALENT Why did RV lose twice to Ontario? Again I DID NOT say BV is "great". YOU say the MOAC is "average" not me. Pleasant beat Ontario and lost to RV by one. Does that make Ontario and RV way below average? Don't you see how ignorant it is to compare scores? Just win games.
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Post by brownsguy on Mar 1, 2021 19:22:37 GMT -5
I agree with Williard..... besides Ontario and Shelby, the MOAC is WEAK. The Mid-State league that BV is in is top to bottom a far better conference. Bexley, WC, Whitehall, Academy, BV, Wellington, and Grandview. Grinder of a league. Have you ever watched BV play? Very rarely do they get out scrapped or out “toughed”. RV does have talent at the guard positions but they play ZERO defense. Look at their scores... they often give up tons of points. BV is good, not great. They have good players, not great. They consistently are just better coached, better defensively, and tougher than most teams. When BV was in the MOAC, they reminded me a lot of Ontario and how they are coached and how they play the game; even when they don’t have the best talent, they are always in the game. That’s why I mentioned I wasn’t surprised by the game result the other night even though BV was coming off of a quarantine. I’ve watched basketball in this area for a long time. I wish BV would have stayed in the MOAC. I think they make the conference better. Just my opinion.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 1, 2021 22:38:33 GMT -5
After 2 years of playing in a "grinder league", fighting Columbus traffic and having the "talent" class about to graduate, I hear they'd like to be back in the MOAC.
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Post by brownsguy on Mar 1, 2021 22:58:04 GMT -5
Good point
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Post by moacpops on Mar 2, 2021 21:48:09 GMT -5
I agree with Williard..... besides Ontario and Shelby, the MOAC is WEAK. The Mid-State league that BV is in is top to bottom a far better conference. Bexley, WC, Whitehall, Academy, BV, Wellington, and Grandview. Grinder of a league. Have you ever watched BV play? Very rarely do they get out scrapped or out “toughed”. RV does have talent at the guard positions but they play ZERO defense. Look at their scores... they often give up tons of points. BV is good, not great. They have good players, not great. They consistently are just better coached, better defensively, and tougher than most teams. When BV was in the MOAC, they reminded me a lot of Ontario and how they are coached and how they play the game; even when they don’t have the best talent, they are always in the game. That’s why I mentioned I wasn’t surprised by the game result the other night even though BV was coming off of a quarantine. I’ve watched basketball in this area for a long time. I wish BV would have stayed in the MOAC. I think they make the conference better. Just my opinion. I agree on all points. RV had talent but didn’t play defense. My point was they had talent but didnt meet expectations. BV back in the MOAC would be great
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Post by moacpops on Mar 4, 2021 10:05:32 GMT -5
I wanted a Shelby vs. Ontario part III. Didnt happen. Good season for the Warriors. Shelby dominated Huron. Follow up on Buckeye Valley. They lost 56-40 in district semifinal.
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Post by dude on Mar 4, 2021 10:48:19 GMT -5
I wanted a Shelby vs. Ontario part III. Didnt happen. Good season for the Warriors. Shelby dominated Huron. Follow up on Buckeye Valley. They lost 56-40 in district semifinal. Beating the top seed in a district can always be difficult but I think that Norwalk may have a better chance than Ontario would have just because of their big men.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 6, 2021 19:15:15 GMT -5
Shelby 21-12 after one.
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Post by 4 on Mar 6, 2021 19:30:34 GMT -5
Shelby looking reallllllly good. Up 38-18 over Norwalk at the half
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 6, 2021 19:31:44 GMT -5
Not sure Gray has anything in the playbook for this.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 6, 2021 19:45:47 GMT -5
He had no good plan. Ontario and Norwalk played a close game in the semi-finals, but Norwalk does not match up well with Shelby. Ontario would have played Shelby much closer, as the regular season games showed. Grey's playbook full of set plays does not work well against the type of defense Shelby plays. Ontario is a predominately motion offense team that allows you to grind in the half court. Steve recognized this and tried some motion in the first half, but it is not his bread and butter.
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