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Post by misterbreeze on Oct 31, 2021 5:59:46 GMT -5
This proves Ryan Day knows what he's talking about. He said this is going to be a tough, physical game. I was impressed with PSU's line play. I can't knock our defense, they kept everything contained. kept everything in front of them and didn't give up the big play. What helped PSU, they were getting away with a lot of holding and largely, it was ignored. Denzel defended his All-American counterpart very well all game. Think we seen a dose of Tressel ball tonight. Very conservative, low risk, ball control football. I would liked to have seen more deep passes than what we saw, but Ryan was gearing things to possession ball. Most importantly, we got the job done and got the 'W'.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 31, 2021 10:18:30 GMT -5
I think we all need to take our Buckeye colored glass off(myself included) and realize this defense really isn’t much better, they were just lucky to play the horrible offenses they played the last several games. Ryan Day credits the defense for the win. The offense only scored 2 TDs and failed in the red zone needing 4 field goals for the win.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 31, 2021 10:22:08 GMT -5
The offense has also looked pathetic. No run game. The offensive line has been getting destroyed. Stroud won’t run to save his life. Stroud has been told not to run. He's been coached to move in the pocket and/scramble to escape pressure ,always looking down field for the 2 best WRs in the country breaking off their pass routes.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 31, 2021 10:28:55 GMT -5
This proves Ryan Day knows what he's talking about. He said this is going to be a tough, physical game. I was impressed with PSU's line play. I can't knock our defense, they kept everything contained. kept everything in front of them and didn't give up the big play. What helped PSU, they were getting away with a lot of holding and largely, it was ignored. Denzel defended his All-American counterpart very well all game. Think we seen a dose of Tressel ball tonight. Very conservative, low risk, ball control football. I would liked to have seen more deep passes than what we saw, but Ryan was gearing things to possession ball. Most importantly, we got the job done and got the 'W'. I can knock the play calling, It was obvious PSU wasn't going to run the ball, there should have been blitzes on every play. When ever Ohio State's defense was conservative the Penn State offense would march down the field on 10-15 yard passes against their zone defense. When Ohio State blitzed it forced sacks, fumbles or Clifford to throw the ball away or throw bad passes. I fear The Committee with not judge Ohio State well only beating PSU by 9 when they were favored by almost 3 TDs. Thinking their offense wasn't all it was cracked up to be after their 4 previous wins.
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Post by ronburgandy on Oct 31, 2021 10:38:21 GMT -5
The offense has also looked pathetic. No run game. The offensive line has been getting destroyed. Stroud won’t run to save his life. Stroud has been told not to run. He's been coached to move in the pocket and/scramble to escape pressure ,always looking down field for the 2 best WRs in the country breaking off their pass routes. He hasn’t been told “not to run”, his exact quote after the game was he tries to run the play called to the best of his ability. He is athletic, he was a stud basketball player too, he has the ability to run. He needs to be able to do it every once in a while, even if it’s for only 3-4 yards.
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Post by Birdman on Oct 31, 2021 12:12:25 GMT -5
I think the committee knows Penn State is better than their record. We will see where the chips fall come selection show. Buckeyes win out their in!
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 31, 2021 13:01:49 GMT -5
Penn State played really well, especially on D. We played terribly, especially the O line. Sooo many false starts. When push came to shove we ran our true Frosh rb into a brick wall all night and hoped he would break one and thank goodness he did.
All it takes is one naked bootleg and you get that on film and at least the threat is there. The arm talent is extremely obvious. I didn't ike the way CJ ran out of bounds 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage on the down field holding. You can't take that for granted and even if you see it and know you have a free play at least plant and fire one.
Great win, not a particularly inspiring performance. Georgia's D-line would slaughter us atm imho.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 31, 2021 13:07:28 GMT -5
Stroud has been told not to run. He's been coached to move in the pocket and/scramble to escape pressure ,always looking down field for the 2 best WRs in the country breaking off their pass routes. He hasn’t been told “not to run”, his exact quote after the game was he tries to run the play called to the best of his ability. He is athletic, he was a stud basketball player too, he has the ability to run. He needs to be able to do it every once in a while, even if it’s for only 3-4 yards. Thanks for proving my point. Day does not want Stroud running UNLESS he has no passing options available after he has moved in the pocket going through his options, then scrambles ALWAYS looking down field for THE best wide receivers in the country who have broken off their routes. Day KNOWS one of his great WRs and arguably the best TB in the country as a safety valve, can pick up more than 3 or 4 yards. Even then, throwing it in the third row is better than running and getting injured as is often the case with QBs, even when you're Justin Fields, as as big and strong and fast as he was, he frequently got dinged
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 31, 2021 13:12:55 GMT -5
I think the committee knows Penn State is better than their record. We will see where the chips fall come selection show. Buckeyes win out their in! Only if Georgia beats Bama twice.
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Post by ronburgandy on Oct 31, 2021 13:24:41 GMT -5
He hasn’t been told “not to run”, his exact quote after the game was he tries to run the play called to the best of his ability. He is athletic, he was a stud basketball player too, he has the ability to run. He needs to be able to do it every once in a while, even if it’s for only 3-4 yards. Thanks for proving my point. Day does not want Stroud running UNLESS he has no passing options available after he has moved in the pocket going through his options, then scrambles ALWAYS looking down field for THE best wide receivers in the country who have broken off their routes. Day KNOWS one of his great WRs and arguably the best TB in the country as a safety valve, can pick up more than 3 or 4 yards. Even then, throwing it in the third row is better than running and getting injured as is often the case with QBs, even when you're Justin Fields, as as big and strong and fast as he was, he frequently got dinged HE was NEVER told NOT to run though, NO coach is GOING to tell his QB to NEVER run.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 13:31:16 GMT -5
I think the committee knows Penn State is better than their record. We will see where the chips fall come selection show. Buckeyes win out their in! Only if Georgia beats Bama twice. They haven’t played each other, nor do they in the regular season
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 31, 2021 13:37:32 GMT -5
As a last resort, better to escape for your life, yes. What do you think Fields was told? What did Urban tell JT? How much running did Haskins do? Stroud is not a Pryor, Smith or even a Craig Krenzel.
IF Ohio State is up by 2 TDs or more do you want Stroud running for a POSSSIBLE 1st down and getting injured? IF a game is in jeopardy and on a 3rd down at a crucial point sure take a gamble. I never thought the game against Penn State was in jeopardy.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 31, 2021 13:38:55 GMT -5
Only if Georgia beats Bama twice. They haven’t played each other, nor do they in the regular season What planet are you living on???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 15:26:14 GMT -5
They haven’t played each other, nor do they in the regular season What planet are you living on??? Earth, try it out. While you do that show me when Bama and Georgia have played each other this year
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Post by Birdman on Oct 31, 2021 19:10:42 GMT -5
I think the committee knows Penn State is better than their record. We will see where the chips fall come selection show. Buckeyes win out their in! Only if Georgia beats Bama twice. if the Buckeyes win out beating MSU, TTUN, and another top 25 west school, they will be in. I wouldn’t be surprised if they jumped Cincinnati or Oklahoma.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 31, 2021 19:29:11 GMT -5
Currently Ohio State has slipped to 6th. People now think Ohio State must win by 50, or they aren't worthy. You do realize that a good portion of the country has a disdain for Ohio State.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 31, 2021 19:36:28 GMT -5
What planet are you living on??? Earth, try it out. While you do that show me when Bama and Georgia have played each other this year For the slow I guess I should have been more succinct
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Post by Birdman on Oct 31, 2021 22:27:19 GMT -5
I’m not worried about how the country feels. All that matters if what the committee thinks. Buckeyes are primed to play 2 top 10 teams and then whoever makes it it of the west. I would assume that team is somewhere in the top 25. If and that is a big if, pending a clean slide into December buckeyes will be in.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 1, 2021 5:41:59 GMT -5
We were in two deep coverage most of the night and Penn State lives off the short gain routes, satisfied to get the small, positive yardage to move the chains. They did that effectively and we were content on allowing that and limit or eliminate big plays. We pretty much accomplished that, but the offense didn't hold up their end of the bargain. The red zone production lacked creativity and was rather easy to defend, especially inside the 5. I was surprised to not see more play action passes, when PSU was stacking the box. We could have used Miyan Williams or Master Teague III in those strength against strength goal-line situations. Also think the edges would have been vulnerable in those situations, but our playcalling was very predictable in those short yardage situations, as were our 3rd down play calling for whatever reason.
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Post by baldref on Nov 1, 2021 10:32:52 GMT -5
Currently Ohio State has slipped to 6th. People now think Ohio State must win by 50, or they aren't worthy. You do realize that a good portion of the country has a disdain for Ohio State. Exactly. Cincy, Bama and other schools can sneak by inferior opponents and all is well but let OSU not beat the Vegas line, and suddenly the Bucks are garbage. And unfortunately there are enough people on the committee that may feel the same way. No way Ohio State could beat a 1-7 Tulane by 19 and remain in the top five. Same way with Oklahoma and their 5 point win over Tulane. The hate is there and real.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 1, 2021 13:54:07 GMT -5
Currently Ohio State has slipped to 6th. People now think Ohio State must win by 50, or they aren't worthy. You do realize that a good portion of the country has a disdain for Ohio State. Coaches Poll still have the Buckeyes at #5
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 1, 2021 14:01:46 GMT -5
If OSU wins out they are in. I'm not sure we get there the way our o-line played.
If i was voting for the Heisman i would vote for Caleb Williams and it ain't even close.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 1, 2021 14:50:05 GMT -5
Currently Ohio State has slipped to 6th. People now think Ohio State must win by 50, or they aren't worthy. You do realize that a good portion of the country has a disdain for Ohio State. Coaches Poll still have the Buckeyes at #5 At this point it is WAY better that MSU is ranked ahead of Ohio State. Better for Ohio State when they beat them.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 1, 2021 15:32:08 GMT -5
Some unbelievable stats considering all the whining about the Ohio State defense.
Ohio State leads the Big Ten in: Sacks and Tackles for Loss
Ohio State is 2nd in the Big Ten in: INTs and Fumbles caused.
The topper....No Power Five team in the country has more sacks than Ohio State.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 1, 2021 16:02:03 GMT -5
Some unbelievable stats considering all the whining about the Ohio State defense. Ohio State leads the Big Ten in: Sacks and Tackles for Loss Ohio State is 2nd in the Big Ten in: INTs and Fumbles caused. The topper....No Power Five team in the country has more sacks than Ohio State. Stats don't lie, but the bandwagon fans are the very first ones to offer nasty, negative comments, when events don't happen the way they think should be happening. This phony group that calls themselves The 'Buckeye Nation' are the biggest jerks on the planet, masquerading as an Ohio State Buckeye forum. They are masters of slicing and dicing the Buckeyes. They are very good at baiting facebook readers with imflammatory posts.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 1, 2021 19:00:12 GMT -5
Stats do lie. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. C'mon man.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 1, 2021 21:33:08 GMT -5
Stats do lie. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. C'mon man. The stats don't lie, but quite often they can mislead and don't relate to the final score. Stats are measurable results, valuable to assess performance of team units.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2021 10:35:55 GMT -5
I love giving U of M a hard time, so how about this fact/stat? Michigan had over 500 yards of total offense in their loss to MSU, the 2nd time since 2018 against a Power Five school. In the same time frame Ohio State has gone over 500 yards 26 times.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2021 19:55:02 GMT -5
Penn State played really well, especially on D. We played terribly, especially the O line. Sooo many false starts. When push came to shove we ran our true Frosh rb into a brick wall all night and hoped he would break one and thank goodness he did. All it takes is one naked bootleg and you get that on film and at least the threat is there. The arm talent is extremely obvious. I didn't ike the way CJ ran out of bounds 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage on the down field holding. You can't take that for granted and even if you see it and know you have a free play at least plant and fire one. Great win, not a particularly inspiring performance. Georgia's D-line would slaughter us atm imho. IF Clifford had not been injured would Penn State have been undefeated when they played Ohio State? I think so.
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