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Post by CEOSouth on Feb 25, 2023 8:05:45 GMT -5
As quickly as possible? Not how I would have viewed it. He jumped the Lex bench to save a ball. Instead of coming back on the floor where he exited it, he followed the on court action down the floor BEHIND the scorers table and tried to reinsert himself over top the Willard coaches, taking them out, and a referee in the process. It looked to me like that is what stopped play, but tough to really say because as that mess spilled onto the floor, the ball was maybe still in play, or had just went OOB(Willard Ball). I’d be interested in the replay. The replay in the feed was pretty bad. It’s one thing to try to save a ball and come back in a little down the way, but this player was full on sprinting behind the scorers table I just found it, go to OH Report on YouTube and go to about the 20 second mark of the 4th quarter. I never even noticed that while watching it live last night. Just seeing it now, I could definitely see that being called a technical. That’s really interesting, that could’ve changed the game. I thought it did. As I was cursing and scrambling to get the feed back I figured Willard was in decent shape.
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Post by CEOSouth on Feb 25, 2023 8:11:38 GMT -5
Ahh, yeah, I just watched it on OH Report. That wasn't the broadcast I watched last night. The camera angle was from the other side of the court and you could see the play in question much more clearly. In the OH Report, you can just see him running for a brief second. The other angle shows how egregious it was.
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Post by ronburgandy on Feb 25, 2023 8:18:00 GMT -5
Ahh, yeah, I just watched it on OH Report. That wasn't the broadcast I watched last night. The camera angle was from the other side of the court and you could see the play in question much more clearly. In the OH Report, you can just see him running for a brief second. The other angle shows how egregious it was. Yeah just a few seconds later you can see him come through the Willard bench and take out the official.
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Post by CEOSouth on Feb 25, 2023 8:27:33 GMT -5
Here's the numbers on it:
29.9: Player exits court near top of the key, over LEX bench 26.1: Player enters court near top of the key, over Willard bench, making contact with Willard coaching staff and referee 25.0: Ball hits the wall, marking play dead, OOB, Willard ball.
For more than 3 seconds, the player sprinted off the court, and you can see in the video, actually catching up with the on-court action. He made contact with the coaching staff and official before play was dead on the floor.
Also should be noted that Robinson, who actually had saved the ball on the other end of the court, returned to the court where he exited it, in the same area the LEX player left the court.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Feb 25, 2023 8:37:12 GMT -5
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Post by baldref on Feb 25, 2023 16:35:04 GMT -5
the issue was, IMO, did the player have an opportunity or chance to come back on the floor prior to running behind scorers table etc.? If he did and failed to do so, then a T could have been called. Frankly, watching in replay and live action, I doubt that the officials had any clue what actually happened in that situation. They were more interested in whether or not the other official was hurt or could continue. Was not impressed with that crew in any way, shape or form,
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2023 16:39:20 GMT -5
One announcer was Greg Collins , not sure of the other guy. Collins sounded like a guy doing “Lexington Television Basketball Network “ Making suggestions all game long on how to attack Willard’s defense etc. I've heard Coach Haas do games.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2023 16:47:47 GMT -5
You’ve got some ref experience, I’ve got a question about the play right before my feed cut. The play where the Lex player jumped out of bounce, ran behind scorers table and reinserted himself into play through the Willard coaches and referee. I didn’t see it in action, but had just saw the replay on the feed when it cut. My first thought was that a Tech was about to be issued, but with the feed being cut, I have no clue if those terrible announcers even discussed it, or if it was discussed on the floor. Thoughts on that? I didn’t even notice that. Been a few years since I’ve officiated, I think a play like that is just at the discretion of the official. Did the player make a reasonable attempt to get back on the court as quickly as possible? Honestly don’t remember how it’s stated in the rule book. Would have to be a relatively new rule. If old enough, it has not been all that long ago when coaches, players and scorers were in the first row of the stands and could not be run behind. Around here in high school games, the first place I saw players on chairs and the scorers table significantly far from the stands was at Ashland U, the second was at the O-rena. Originally designed to be similar to Ashland U, but changed to two decks due to insurance reasons.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2023 17:03:07 GMT -5
Lmao, it’s sad because I’m not even talking about the apparent Homer element to the broadcast, I’m referring to basic play by play/color commentating skills that just weren’t there. I assume you watched on OH Report. I think OH Report focuses more on Richland County teams so they probably saw Lex play more than Willard. I only saw Willard on OH Report once this year. Plus, it's free so I don't think they are getting paid a lot for the gig. These are my observations about OH Report so, I hope some one corrects this if it's wrong. Actually OH report does more contests of the smaller schools in Richland and surrounding counties. WMFD does more games of the larger schools in and around Richland county. I've inquired if there is some type of agreement between the 2 and have been assured there is not. I assume I was told the truth. On the subject, I was told WMFD tried to work with the schools that recently had new gymnasiums built. Being concerned with line of sight, places to broadcast from and easy to use electrical outlets and connections for a live broadcast. Shelby was very cooperative and made some changes that were suggested. Lex would not deviated from the plans, not one electrical outlet. At Madison there is not a designated area to do live broadcasts, no seats eliminated at the top of the gym. As noticed, the best shots of the game were the bald heads and ball caps of Willard fans. In the O-rena about 40 seats were eliminated at the top of the home section where a broadcast booth was built with permanent equipment to alleviate that issue. I'm just very happy there are 2 companies doing live feeds of sports and other events around here. We as sports fans are very lucky in that regard, so much so I would never complain about anything concerning their efforts. This is still small town USA.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 25, 2023 17:35:55 GMT -5
Coach Haas did Radio ,,, and it was only Willard games geared for Willard fans I think.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2023 17:40:50 GMT -5
I know, my point is you can't take the years of coaching out of a coach doing quasi play by play in small town USA. Being paid little or nothing. Joe Balogh has been doing games for OH Report and when he did an Ontario game, even I cringed a little. NO WAY could I do an unbiased call, the reason I turned down the gig.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 25, 2023 17:42:03 GMT -5
No worries WF. We’re cool .
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2023 17:46:35 GMT -5
I know that as well, thanks
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Post by CEOSouth on Feb 25, 2023 21:03:42 GMT -5
the issue was, IMO, did the player have an opportunity or chance to come back on the floor prior to running behind scorers table etc.? If he did and failed to do so, then a T could have been called. Frankly, watching in replay and live action, I doubt that the officials had any clue what actually happened in that situation. They were more interested in whether or not the other official was hurt or could continue. Was not impressed with that crew in any way, shape or form, One would think that the ref that got knocked over would have been aware of what was happening considering he WATCHED him go out of bounds 4 seconds earlier.
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Post by baldref on Feb 26, 2023 8:47:11 GMT -5
Agree. Hence the last sentence of my post
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Post by dude on Feb 26, 2023 10:20:09 GMT -5
No violation.
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Post by dude on Feb 26, 2023 12:12:14 GMT -5
You can hear some Willard fans getting pretty nasty with the refs. No delay with WMFD as the profanity is coming through clearly. I have a buddy at the game who is no Willard fan who thinks the calls have been in favor of Lex. Quote from Jeff Alan. “Some things never change.” He apparently isn’t worried about losing his Willard viewers. It was a not one of the best officiating crews but unfortunately it has become the normal due to the declining number of officials. If only 5% of the people screaming at the ones on the floor would step up and get their certification everything would be perfect I suppose.
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Post by baldref on Feb 26, 2023 13:00:10 GMT -5
Correct. Because of too few officials guys who in the past would never have gotten tourney games are now getting g them. And no one can guess what will be "big" games when assignments are doled out.
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Post by ronburgandy on Feb 26, 2023 13:46:08 GMT -5
Correct. Because of too few officials guys who in the past would never have gotten tourney games are now getting g them. And no one can guess what will be "big" games when assignments are doled out. Exactly, watching that Willard game, just a few years ago those 3 officials probably wouldn’t even be considered for tournaments. Not to keep picking on the same one, but the white haired official had some bad mechanics and out of place a lot. But like you said, no one else to do it.
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Post by 419bossman on Feb 26, 2023 17:22:40 GMT -5
District Match-ups
District Semi-Finals
Thursday March 2nd Game 1- #5 Mansfield Sr. vs. #1 Sandusky @ 6:00pm
Game 2- #3 Lexington vs. #2 Shelby @ 8:00pm
District Final- Saturday March 4th @ 4:00pm
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Post by 419bossman on Feb 26, 2023 17:24:50 GMT -5
Northeast 4 District Match-ups
Wednesday March 1st, Thursday March 2nd, and Saturday March 4th
#12 Sheffield Brookside vs. #1 Rocky River Lutheran West
#5 Akron East vs. #6 Richfield Revere
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Post by dude on Feb 27, 2023 8:42:39 GMT -5
. Not to keep picking on the same one, but the white haired official had some bad mechanics and out of place a lot. But like you said, no one else to do it. That guy has been doing it for over 30 years and I'm not sure he has gotten any better. You would have a better chance of getting a tournament game then he should, and you have been out of it for a long time.
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Post by sport24278 on Feb 27, 2023 8:57:42 GMT -5
don't forget that the assignment of officials is pretty political too, often based on somebody being the an officer of the local association. i look at some of the local guys who get regional/state games and just shake my head, because they are not the best officials in the area.
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Post by 419bossman on Feb 27, 2023 8:59:36 GMT -5
Lets look forward to the games. Both games will be great. Sandusky and Lexington has beaten their opponents in the regular season could they repeat that feat again or does the other team learn from what happened the first time. Few things to look at. Can Sandusky handle Senior's bigs again and control the tempo. Can Senior handle Sandusky's pressure and not turn the ball over. Will the two players that has missed the last four games be available for this game and if they are will they help. Lexington has struggled against teams that are guard heavy. Can Shelby contain Lexington's bigs and make shots like they failed to do when they played Lexington the first time. I am going to say Sandusky and Shelby in the final, with Sandusky winning the District
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Post by dude on Feb 27, 2023 9:33:58 GMT -5
Senior enjoys the same tempo Sandusky does and they average a high number of turnovers and still compete. I feel the difference in the first game was the fact that Sandusky shot the deep ball very well. Much better then normal. Sandusky is the easy pick in this one but Senior could challenge them. Shelby has the best player in the district according to the coaches who voted. They also have the size to match up with Lex. Shelby is the higher seed, more successful team and players, but all that makes it fun to watch when teams play. Lex handled the Shelby pressure in the first game, can they do it again?
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Post by baldref on Feb 27, 2023 10:15:04 GMT -5
Senior Hi is too inconsistent offensively, IMO, so I see the Streaks winning this one. Lexington has struggled without the two suspended players, but with them reportedly being back on Thursday night, I think Lex's height and dominance inside will be too much for Shelby to handle. Gonna be two great matchups though.
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Post by bat21 on Feb 27, 2023 10:17:10 GMT -5
Anyone watching this game had to be in shock at how poorly coached the minutemen are. The popcorn maker in the concession stand could have done a better job than the lex coach. To say they got lucky in this game is a huge understatement. No discipline and to be outrebounded by Willard and you have a 6'8", 6'7" and 6'4" player on your team, amazing. #21 for lex should have been on the end of the bench watching. Ask Coach Haas if he wouldn't MUCH prefer to have one of those big guys and 2 very good guards. Asinine statement. What coach wouldn't?
I think its funny that no one is addressing the fact the a technical foul should have been assessed for the player who went out of bounds after a loose ball to then run the length of the floor BEHIND THE SCORERS TABLE to jump over the Willard bench ... knocking down a coach and a referee while trying to get back into play. That is an automatic T ... not a discretionary T
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Post by dude on Feb 27, 2023 10:45:59 GMT -5
Ask Coach Haas if he wouldn't MUCH prefer to have one of those big guys and 2 very good guards. Asinine statement. What coach wouldn't?
I think its funny that no one is addressing the fact the a technical foul should have been assessed for the player who went out of bounds after a loose ball to then run the length of the floor BEHIND THE SCORERS TABLE to jump over the Willard bench ... knocking down a coach and a referee while trying to get back into play. That is an automatic T ... not a discretionary T I would like to hear how you feel it should be address today and what you see as a "fact"? I would be interested in reading that rule if there was a violation. Please provide it.
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Post by dude on Feb 27, 2023 10:48:52 GMT -5
Senior Hi is too inconsistent offensively, IMO, so I see the Streaks winning this one. Lexington has struggled without the two suspended players, but with them reportedly being back on Thursday night, I think Lex's height and dominance inside will be too much for Shelby to handle. Gonna be two great matchups though. That is exactly what has made Senior dangerous. Hard to prepare for a team that has a different guy step up each night. If you remove two players from any teams rotation it will have an affect. In the final game of the regular season at Mansfield, they were without 3 players.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 27, 2023 12:16:51 GMT -5
Ask Coach Haas if he wouldn't MUCH prefer to have one of those big guys and 2 very good guards. Asinine statement. What coach wouldn't?
I think its funny that no one is addressing the fact the a technical foul should have been assessed for the player who went out of bounds after a loose ball to then run the length of the floor BEHIND THE SCORERS TABLE to jump over the Willard bench ... knocking down a coach and a referee while trying to get back into play. That is an automatic T ... not a discretionary T THUS, no more doltish than yours! At least be accurate in assessments, when done so, one's points are more salient and respected. Leaving the court at one bench and reentering at the other bench, does not amount to "run the length of the floor".
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