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Post by edchambers on Oct 31, 2023 9:49:33 GMT -5
There's a lot of talk about the OHSAA going from 4 divisions to 6 or 7 for basketball. Could be as early as next year.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Oct 31, 2023 16:58:56 GMT -5
Don't like
Next, Ha!
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Post by dude on Oct 31, 2023 20:28:15 GMT -5
Talk is 5-6 or even 7 divisions like football. Big discussion is to they make the divisions even or set them up like football
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Post by buckeyefan73 on Oct 31, 2023 20:40:51 GMT -5
Interesting, maybe the should do a computer point system based on seeding too. Lol
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Post by falcon26 on Oct 31, 2023 21:31:39 GMT -5
There are more schools that play basketball than football so it would make sense.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Nov 1, 2023 21:58:34 GMT -5
If they were to expand to 6-7 divisions, I think the biggest issue would be locating neutral playoff sites.
Having 6-7 divisions means each tournament begins, roughly, at the Sectional Final stage of things. Things are progressing towards the idea that teams host home games through Sectionals, but later games will present new questions.
It works out for football when having that many divisions, but we would be throwing girls basketball on top of things. More random nights where a school like Shelby, who has been host to D3 boys basketball districts here and there, may perhaps be busy on the same night worrying about their own teams. It can be done, but we are talking way more moving pieces. The variable nights that games can be held will help, but it is likely we would have to tolerate not knowing the Regional site for a game ahead of time in the same vein that we don't know for football at that level.
Last season, Shelby v Lex in the district semis had some gripes going on about the venue size. I think it worked out fine in that instance, but an extra 2-3 divisions times two (boys and girls) means that a similar game might be hunting for a worthy location longer than we are used to. Having home games at the District Semi level (ala what football does) would help.
On top of that, when does Ohio start saying that...hey...basketball was unfair with so few divisions, what about baseball/softball/wrestling/etc.? If 200 schools per division is deemed not fair for basketball, what about the other remaining sports? Can we handle that onslaught?
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Post by dude on Nov 2, 2023 5:04:33 GMT -5
On top of that, when does Ohio start saying that...hey...basketball was unfair with so few divisions, what about baseball/softball/wrestling/etc.? If 200 schools per division is deemed not fair for basketball, what about the other remaining sports? Can we handle that onslaught? This may be a sign of things to come for all team sports. Boys Basketball is the largest with 800 teams. If this does happen you will surely have some baseball and softball supporters wanting the same. Wrestling is not a team sport so it may still be viewed differently. |
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Post by usramfan on Nov 2, 2023 11:39:16 GMT -5
From what I understand, the current plan that's being given the most consideration would be expansion to 7 divisions. D1 and D2 would be 64 teams each and D3 through D7 would be divided as evenly as possible. By my math, that would mean roughly 133-135 teams in each.
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Post by usramfan on Nov 2, 2023 11:41:03 GMT -5
On top of that, when does Ohio start saying that...hey...basketball was unfair with so few divisions, what about baseball/softball/wrestling/etc.? If 200 schools per division is deemed not fair for basketball, what about the other remaining sports? Can we handle that onslaught? This may be a sign of things to come for all team sports. Boys Basketball is the largest with 800 teams. If this does happen you will surely have some baseball and softball supporters wanting the same. Wrestling is not a team sport so it may still be viewed differently. Yes...I've also heard that expanding divisions in other team sports is also on the horizon for the reasons you mention. |
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Nov 3, 2023 10:37:50 GMT -5
D1 and D2 would be 64 teams each So for those two divisions, everyone would open the tournament at the district semifinal round |
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Post by dude on Nov 3, 2023 21:30:41 GMT -5
From what I understand, the current plan that's being given the most consideration would be expansion to 7 divisions. D1 and D2 would be 64 teams each and D3 through D7 would be divided as evenly as possible. By my math, that would mean roughly 133-135 teams in each. That would just be silly. Every team making it to the District semi without playing a game. DUMB, if true. |
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Post by 419bossman on Mar 23, 2024 21:08:53 GMT -5
A coach sent me and email which mapped out what the 7 divisions would look like in basketball. These are based on this year's enrollment numbers, so it might change when the new numbers come out for next season. This is what NW Ohio might look like. Division I(3) Whitmer- 879 Findlay- 650Perrysburg- 649 Division II(6) Bowsher- 571 Anthony Wayne- 546Start- 544Tol. St. John's- 503Northview- 495 Tol. St. Francis de Sales- 481 Division III(21) Lima Sr.- 435 Clay- 425 Southview- 408 Waite- 404 Fremont Ross- 401 Springfield- 397 Ashland- 386 Sandusky- 356 Madison Comprehensive- 351 Norwalk- 348 Wapakoneta- 347 Bowling Green- 345 Mansfield Sr.- 344 Tiffin Columbian- 343Shawnee- 335 Lexington- 303Toledo CC- 303 Celina- 296 Maumee- 292Scott- 287 Defiance- 283 Division IV(23) Woodward- 280 Elida- 279 Ontario- 270 Clyde- 268 Rogers- 260 St. Marys Memorial- 257 Van Wert- 252 Napoleon- 252 Rossford- 250 Perkins- 249 Shelby- 247 Bryan- 243 Wauseon- 237 Bellevue- 235 Bath- 233 Vermilion- 228Clear Fork- 216 Fostoria- 210 Kenton- 210 Galion- 207 Upper Sandusky- 206 Willard- 199 Port Clinton- 195 Division V(25) Otsego- 190 Oak Harbor- 186 Lake- 179 Ottawa-Glandorf- 178 Delta- 178 Fairview- 175 Genoa- 175 Liberty Center- 174 Archbold- 173 Coldwater- 171 Eastwood- 171 Swanton- 169 Spencerville- 166Liberty-Benton- 165Edison- 160 Elmwood- 156 Huron- 156 Tinora- 156 Evergreen- 151Paulding- 147 Bluffton- 146 Ottawa Hills- 145 Ash. Crestview- 143 Van Buren- 143 Margaretta- 143 Division VI(34) Allen East- 141 Bucyrus- 140 Wynford- 139 Lakota- 138 Northwood- 138 Fairview- 133 Cardinal Stritch- 132 Wayne Trace- 128 Carey- 126 Western Reserve- 125 Emmanuel Christian- 125 Riverdale- 123 Columbus Grove- 121 Hicksville- 121 Parkway- 120 Linconview- 120 Perry- 120 Woodmore- 117 Colonel Crawford- 114 Gibsonburg- 114 Patrick Henry- 113 Seneca East- 112 Ada- 112 Marion Local- 109 Fort Recovery- 108 Plymouth- 106 Jefferson- 105 Con. Crestview- 105 Mohawk- 104 Minster- 103 New Bremen- 103
St. Henry- 101
Old Fort- 101
Hopewell-Loudon- 100
Division VII(48)
Nor. St. Paul-98
New London- 97
Maumee VCD- 99
McComb- 97
Monroeville- 97
Montpilier- 94
Leipsic- 92 Ayersville- 92
Buckeye Central- 91 South Central- 88 Lima CC- 86 Lucas- 82 Mans. St. Peter's- 80 Edgerton- 78 Pandora-Gilboa- 77 North Baltimore- 77 Arcadia- 76 Antwerp- 75 Mansfield Christian- 75 North Central- 74 Cory-Rawson- 74 Pettisville- 71 Toledo Christian- 70 Sandusky SMCC- 69 Kalida- 68 Arlington- 64 Edon- 64 Crestline- 64 Danbury- 63 Upper Scioto V- 61 Del. St. John's- 59 Holgate- 59 Miller City- 56 Hardin Northern- 56 Hilltop- 55 New Riegel- 53 Ridgemont- 52 Ottoville- 51 Fremont SJCC- 50 Waynesfield-Goshen- 49 Fort Jennings- 49 Tif. Calvert- 47 Continetial- 47 Fayette- 42 Stryker- 42 L. Temple Christian- 39 Vanlue- 33 New Knoxville- 32 This is just what could happen, but it could totally different next year. Tournament time Division I and Division II- Could be split up in four different Regions similar to football since there are not as many teams Divisions III-VII- Could have multiple districts similar to what is in place right now. DIII- 2 Districts DIV- 2 Districts DV- 2 Districts DVI- 3 Districts DVII- 4 Districts But like I said I could be wrong with all of this
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Post by dude on Mar 24, 2024 7:28:25 GMT -5
If teams are allowed to bump up to a higher division, what kind of confusion will that create?
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Post by wetsu on Mar 24, 2024 12:33:07 GMT -5
Kiss the hind ends of the big schools per usual. |
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Post by hazmat on Mar 24, 2024 13:11:31 GMT -5
Ohsaa had to go to 7 to generate more cash. Say it’s for more schools to get involved. Without changes to automatically move schools up based on success in tournaments, these games will continue with four or seven dominate teams.
Attendance for d4 championship game the lowest ever.
Congrats ohsaa. D3 may be worse than the 3300 or so at the d4 game.
You need to study the indiana model, including the live media streams for FREE for the most part.
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Post by dude on Mar 24, 2024 18:15:54 GMT -5
Ohsaa had to go to 7 to generate more cash. Say it’s for more schools to get involved. Without changes to automatically move schools up based on success in tournaments, these games will continue with four or seven dominate teams. Attendance for d4 championship game the lowest ever. Congrats ohsaa. D3 may be worse than the 3300 or so at the d4 game. You need to study the indiana model, including the live media streams for FREE for the most part. Sunday games will automatically reduce numbers. The question I have is, does the tv money the Spectrum pays the OHSAA make up the difference? With 7 divisions they will get away from the Sunday games. |
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Post by dude on Mar 24, 2024 21:00:17 GMT -5
Kiss the hind ends of the big schools per usual. This expansion request has been a request of the smaller schools for years. |
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Post by gtab on Mar 25, 2024 9:27:34 GMT -5
Personally, I'd love to see seven (7) Divisions in these other sports.
I am comfortable with the OHSAA being tasked with and having the responsibilities of sorting out who goes where, as well. It'll get rid of all of the instances where schools have had to sometimes play schools half again (or more) as large as the schools that they have been playing in the tournament for years and years. All of the schools make the tournament every year, so the issue is "revenue neutral". Normally I'm pretty conservative when it comes to issues like this; but for this instance, (please) bring on the change(s).
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Post by wetsu on Mar 25, 2024 10:16:42 GMT -5
Kiss the hind ends of the big schools per usual. This expansion request has been a request of the smaller schools for years. I don't doubt that the smaller schools want expansion. Did they have DI and DII schools getting automatic qualification in mind? Time will tell whether this works out for the smaller divisions. |
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Post by dude on Mar 25, 2024 10:59:47 GMT -5
This expansion request has been a request of the smaller schools for years. I don't doubt that the smaller schools want expansion. Did they have DI and DII schools getting automatic qualification in mind? Time will tell whether this works out for the smaller divisions. Most of the complaints were from D1 schools with enrollment numbers under 500 and the smaller D4 schools that see the bigger D4 schools with high CB numbers. |
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Post by dude on Mar 25, 2024 11:01:35 GMT -5
This expansion request has been a request of the smaller schools for years. I don't doubt that the smaller schools want expansion. Did they have DI and DII schools getting automatic qualification in mind? Time will tell whether this works out for the smaller divisions. It will work out just fine. Games will still get played, competition will still be found, some coaches will still avoid playing good schedules and some people will still complain. Mostly all like it is right now. |
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 25, 2024 13:36:31 GMT -5
And everyone will be happy that there are 75% more state champions failing to acknowledge that it’s only because we created more opportunities not because kids worked harder or got more dedicated.
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Post by dude on Mar 25, 2024 20:36:57 GMT -5
And everyone will be happy that there are 75% more state champions failing to acknowledge that it’s only because we created more opportunities not because kids worked harder or got more dedicated. I’m confident in saying that everyone will not be happy. |
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