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Post by clb6110 on Jul 16, 2017 7:37:59 GMT -5
^^ TRUTH
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Post by ScarletFever on Jul 18, 2017 22:35:16 GMT -5
Most sensible posts here are from those in the industry
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Post by Whittaker on Jul 18, 2017 23:30:01 GMT -5
I thought illegals came here to work. I thought they came for a better life. But nobody is hiring them, and they can't collect govt benefits? So we have 11 million illegals who don't have a job and can't get welfare, but are fighting tooth and nail to stay in the country? Something doesn't compute.
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Post by tommygunn on Jul 19, 2017 6:05:10 GMT -5
The crybabies on fb kill me. 16 years this guy has had to become a legal citizen. I know of 4 people who have done it in less than 2 years so there is no excuse, they just wanted it and wanted to get it done and this guy didn't. Maybe this guy will now go through the proper channels and become a legal citizen. He will be back in the states within weeks with a new Visa. Lesson learned.
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Post by clb6110 on Jul 19, 2017 7:44:31 GMT -5
Music I understand what you and everyone else says about him becoming legalized BUT look at his side of the deal. He went to and never missed an appointment at the immigration office to obtain his legal work permit. It was only this year after the previous 10+ that he was told he was being deported. He thought he was doing everything right by going to Cleveland,obtaining his work visa and reporting back to Cleveland when asked to get another work visa. I'm sure after the fact he wishes he would have worked towards citizenship but I'm also guessing he thought he was doing things properly.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 19, 2017 10:57:46 GMT -5
I thought illegals came here to work. I thought they came for a better life. But nobody is hiring them, and they can't collect govt benefits? So we have 11 million illegals who don't have a job and can't get welfare, but are fighting tooth and nail to stay in the country? Something doesn't compute. how do you know it's 11 million? you cling to facts you haven't verified and shoot down facts that others HAVE verified...i'm telling you if I wanted to hire an illegal, unless he/she has some airtight "fake" paperwork, it ain't happening i'm sure there are folks who can get around I-9 documentation but i'm not one of them we actually ran off (3) good employees when the company i work for took over another unit last spring and when we on-boarded the folks into our system they didn't have proper documentation and were terminated...that is a FACT not an extrapolation
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Post by bigman on Jul 19, 2017 12:11:16 GMT -5
Music I understand what you and everyone else says about him becoming legalized BUT look at his side of the deal. He went to and never missed an appointment at the immigration office to obtain his legal work permit. It was only this year after the previous 10+ that he was told he was being deported. He thought he was doing everything right by going to Cleveland,obtaining his work visa and reporting back to Cleveland when asked to get another work visa. I'm sure after the fact he wishes he would have worked towards citizenship but I'm also guessing he thought he was doing things properly. He was told in 2011 he was being deported, but got a stay. That right there should have been his wakeup call that deportation could be a real consequence in the future. From what I have read about him he sounds like a good man and father, but he made a very big mistake and now him and his family are paying the price. The arguments I have heard are that he pays his taxes and goes to work and supports his family. Well guess what so do I, but if I break the law there are still consequences to my actions. Another argument is that this is Trump's fault....Isn't the President supposed to uphold the laws of the land? All Trump is doing is enforcing the laws that were established many years ago that so many past presidents have ignored or been very soft on. And of course there are the kids.....unfortunately the kids suffer for the actions, or in this case lack of action, by an adult. They are collateral damage to this man's disregard of the immigration process.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jul 19, 2017 12:11:58 GMT -5
^^^ ummm, it's more like 12 million now.
Now onto this guy that just got deported and he was one of them. He sneaked across the border (that's what I do when entering a foreign country. Passport?) As an illegal he was working in the USA. He was an illegal working on the farms south of Willard then onto Pepperidge Farm, he must have got lost as to which farm to go to since he didn't bother to learn English.
He has 4 kids and the oldest says in the paper that he's adopted, are the other 3 adopted too? I'm guessing, yes. That's why they say Mexico will deport his kids if they go with him. So did he adopt this kids as an excuse to not get deported (playing the heartstrings?) Is his wife an illegal? Bear as many anchor babies as she can in hopes it will keep her from getting deported?
Build the wall. Make better trade deals. Make America Great Again. Term limits for Congress as both R's and D's are snakes that make doing nothing in Congress a career.
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Post by Whittaker on Jul 19, 2017 12:56:36 GMT -5
Everyone comes on here and swears they don't hire illegals. Then others come on here and say illegals come to the U.S. for a better life and they work hard. Which is it? Are they working or not working? If they are working, someone hired them and the fact that Dr Torch did not hire them is not relevant to the debate. If they aren't working, well, that's not good is it?
As to the 11 million, its a common ball-park estimate that I haven't seen disputed much.
But let's say its 10 million. If 80% of them have jobs or will get jobs when they are old enough, that is 8 million jobs that aren't being filled by people legally in the country. That's enough reason right there for me to support enforcement of immigration law.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 19, 2017 19:27:30 GMT -5
really? you think we're gonna build a wall? on the Mexican border?
cartoonery
my own hot take on employment: i don't give two tin poops how you got into this country as long as you are a decent person, and if you are on someone's payroll paying federal taxes to the US Government then imho you're eligible for any benefit you can beg/borrow/plead for and get
for every Luna and Garcia and Castillo in the police log there is probably a (INSERT LAST NAME OF SOMEONE WHITE I WENT TO HS WITH HERE) to go right along with it, in fact there is because i pointed out the same thing to my mother a few weeks ago looking at the police log...those poor GD Greenwich Police'
but y'all are gonna have a hard time convincing me that some poor immigrant who lives in the shadows and survives on the margins of society making $11.85 an hour is the one jerry-rigging the system kids, i been around too long for that bs, i don't live in my mom's basement
as i look around my quiet little life now i sure don't seem to be beset by illegal savages from a foreign land...we let giant banks drill us in our ***** without even the common courtesy of a reach around then get upset at someone who pays us to pick our flowers...it's all a bit befuddling to me, i've always had a clear idea of who my real enemies are
you guys are just too much, it'd be funny if you weren't old enough to vote and have kids
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 19, 2017 19:38:11 GMT -5
So...you're suggesting that there are legal (white?) folks who are being kept out of work by illegal immigrants...ok let's follow that logic...
...so the legal (white?) American employer is doing what exactly...discriminating against other legal (white?) dudes seeking employment to risk fine and/or imprisonment by hiring illegal aliens of a different culture and race? you're saying there are legal white cats out there to do these jobs but the fat cat legal white cats who are in charge of hiring folks won't hire other legal white folks, they will only hire illegal brown people
Come again?
Why don't you guys get outraged over Big Tobacco? It would make more sense, and you wouldn't look like morons. Because nothing ruins someone's job prospects like getting cancer in a society whose insurer's don't recognize pre-existing conditions.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 19, 2017 19:39:38 GMT -5
AND I TYPED JACK WAGON ON PURPOSE
just for the record
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 19, 2017 19:42:51 GMT -5
the same morons crying about some poor slob making $15 bucks an hour to work at Burger King wants to pay someone $65K a year to pick radishes so we can get rid of the Mexicans
y'all should really read the garbage you post, it doesn't even make sense
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 19, 2017 20:05:08 GMT -5
It amuses me that we use the term whites and then 'Mexicans'. Mexicans that have at least 1/4 Spanish decent are considered caucasion or a member of the caucasion race, or in other words 'white'. Don't confuse ethnicity with race.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 10:59:34 GMT -5
If an illegal immigrant, who doesn't speak English, takes your job, you probably need more education and/or work ethic.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jul 20, 2017 11:22:00 GMT -5
If an illegal immigrant, who doesn't speak English, takes your job, you probably need more education and/or work ethic. That's what they told my great-great-great-great-great grandpappy when they 'hired' Africans to take his job. They told him he wanted too much money and that he should get a better education. Cotton picking is for slaves, not people wanting paid. Vegetable picking, factory working, construction, etc is for illegals, not legals. We should bring in more illegals. I know lots of accountants in Latin America that would love to live in the USA, let them ILLEGALLY cross the border and take all accountants jobs. Stupid accountants, maybe you should have gotten a better education and become a brain surgeon. Accounting degrees are a dime a dozen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 11:30:35 GMT -5
If an illegal immigrant, who doesn't speak English, takes your job, you probably need more education and/or work ethic. That's what they told my great-great-great-great-great grandpappy when they 'hired' Africans to take his job. They told him he wanted too much money and that he should get a better education. Cotton picking is for slaves, not people wanting paid. Vegetable picking, factory working, construction, etc is for illegals, not legals. We should bring in more illegals. I know lots of accountants in Latin America that would love to live in the USA, let them ILLEGALLY cross the border and take all accountants jobs. Stupid accountants, maybe you should have gotten a better education and become a brain surgeon. Accounting degrees are a dime a dozen. Sounds good. We need more educated people in this country.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jul 20, 2017 11:33:01 GMT -5
I know Latin American Family Doctors that would take 90K a year in the USA (avg US family physician makes $207,916) - Let me guess you are a racist and think there are no doctors in Latin America.
US citizens want paid too much to be Family Doctors. Bring in the illegals to do those jobs. Get a better education like rocket scientist. If you do not have a PHD in rocket science then your job should be given to an illegal because you don't have a good enough education to hold a job, and you also want paid too much.
Help drive down health care costs by letting in illegals to be family doctors. Americans citizens want paid too much to be family doctors.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 11:41:48 GMT -5
I know Latin American Family Doctors that would take 90K a year in the USA (avg US family physician makes $207,916) - Let me guess you are a racist and think there are no doctors in Latin America. US citizens want paid too much to be Family Doctors. Bring in the illegals to do those jobs. Get a better education like rocket scientist. If you do not have a PHD in rocket science then your job should be given to an illegal because you don't have a good enough education to hold a job, and you also want paid too much. Help drive down health care costs by letting in illegals to be family doctors. Americans citizens want paid too much to be family doctors. There is a large difference in a job like a horse poop collector and a brain surgeon. There is no reason to pay someone $10/hr to pick up horse poop when someone will do it for $5. It's not a hard job and anyone can do it. When you have a highly technical (skilled) field, a smart firm hires based on the individual, not his or her salary requirements. There are plenty of doctors in America willing to work for less than the median pay (at least half of them) and somehow it doesn't displace the top doctors.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 20, 2017 13:02:01 GMT -5
lol this thread is hilarious
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Post by dirkadirka on Jul 20, 2017 20:21:25 GMT -5
lol this thread is hilarious And you expected less? I pinged a link to it to the NYT Author a while back on Twitter; I wonder if she ever stopped by for a chuckle.....
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Post by clb6110 on Jul 21, 2017 7:28:26 GMT -5
Dumb and Dumber III
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 21, 2017 13:13:31 GMT -5
lol this thread is hilarious And you expected less? I pinged a link to it to the NYT Author a while back on Twitter; I wonder if she ever stopped by for a chuckle..... aw come on sips you know me better than that, this thread is exactly what i expected that is why i'm here <B "At dawn my lover comes to me and tells me of her dreams, with no attempt to shovel a glimpse into the ditch of what each one means. At times i think there are no words, but these to tell me what's true. And there are no truths outside the Gates of Eden." -Bob Dylan
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Post by dirkadirka on Jul 21, 2017 13:46:49 GMT -5
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 21, 2017 15:00:01 GMT -5
The key words are temporary work for 6-7 months......non-story. Would be interesting to know the rest of the omitted facts; how many non-foreign workers are on staff?
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Post by Whittaker on Jul 21, 2017 16:12:28 GMT -5
Well, this thread was about illegals. So I think we are getting a little off track talking about foreigners who are here legally, or white vs brown, or any other attempt at misdirection. We can argue that the law is wrong and that it should be changed, but there isn't really a dispute on what is currently legal or illegal. Some people just don't like all the laws that our nation has enacted through our elected officials. Guess what...I don't either. There are some laws that I think are stupid. But you won't see me badmouthing everyone who thinks those laws are good. As far as I know every nation on earth, including Mexico, has strict laws on the proper and legal way for foreigners to enter their country. If one thinks the U.S. should have open borders, I think the burden is on them to explain how that policy would be good for the country.
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Post by galion on Jul 22, 2017 3:47:46 GMT -5
My question to you would be what are you afraid of? What are these "foreigners" going to bring this country that's any worse than those before them? The Italian/Sicilians brought their crime families with them. We make movies about that and celebrate it as their Italian heritage. Lord knows the Irish were far from saints. And we're talking about people who didn't even need visas or green cards or passports to enter our nation. I fail to see what's so scary about this current wave of immigrants who are coming here for the exact same reasons. Let them come in and pick some damn tomatoes and work at Trump's golf courses. Why is this a problem? They're not putting anybody out of work.
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Post by CEOSouth on Jul 22, 2017 10:50:26 GMT -5
I'd guess they are Jamaicans, a common practice in South Florida during 'season'. Also some of the nicest, happiest and hardworking people you'll meet.
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Post by Whittaker on Jul 22, 2017 11:53:27 GMT -5
They're not putting anybody out of work. This is where we disagree. If illegals are working they are displacing legal workers and depressing the wages of all workers in that segment of the workforce. If illegals aren't working, they are most likely living off the government or crime. There aren't many rich illegal immigrants. I could touch on many things here including the understated unemployment and under-employment rates, the depression of wages and the angling of corporations to have abundant cheap labor. But all we really need to consider is the law of supply and demand. Labor adheres to this law. If the demand for labor is steady and the supply increase, then the price for labor will decline. The price for labor is wages. A business will not pay $15 per hour if there is ample supply of labor at $12 per hour. The U.S. is a high wage, high standard of living country compared to much of the world. If we refuse to control our borders and allow the hiring of illegals, we are essentially permitting an unlimited supply of labor. There are hundreds of millions of people around the world who would gladly work for $10 per hour in the US. That would be an huge increase in their standard of living. There are natural(births) and controlled(legal immigration) ways our labor force increases. Illegal immigration is an uncontrolled increase in the labor supply that no modern country has seen fit to allow. Illegal immigration must increase the labor supply. Therefore it must: A) Displace legal job seekers. B) Depress the wages(price of labor) of the jobs being sought by illegals and legals alike.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Jul 22, 2017 12:18:04 GMT -5
Let them come in and pick some damn tomatoes and work at Trump's golf courses. Why is this a problem? They're not putting anybody out of work. They are putting MILLIONS out of work, there are 11 million of them. The guy that just got deported that is in this NY Times article worked in a factory. Illegals are putting construction workers out of a job too. Let me guess you think Americans will not do factory work or construction work. Supply and Demand - Illegals are lowering the wages of construction workers and factory workers Did you know Family Doctors that live in the countryside make more on average than Family Doctors in cities? Supply and Demand - Less supply of country doctors means a higher demand = higher wages ^^^ I know a cure for that, let some illegals in without fear of deportation and I'm sure we can get some Doctors from Latin America to illegally come here and lower health care costs - No American will lose their job though (they just didn't get a good enough education) People need clothes and cotton makes clothes - Keep the slaves here, we don't want clothes prices to go up People need food and vegetables pickers give us food - Keep the low wage illegals here, we don't want food prices to go up People need shelter and construction workers build shelter - Keep the low wage illegals here, we don't want shelter prices to go up People need Health Care and lots of Latin Americans are Doctors - Let's let them sneak into our country illegally (without fear of deportation) so we can lower health care costs Avg American Family Doctor = $200,000+ a year - I'm sure we can cut that in half with some illegals.
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