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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 11, 2017 13:44:09 GMT -5
According to an individual who was at an MOAC meeting, where North Union's Athletic Department and Principal voted to leave the MOAC and said the School Board will vote the same on 7/17. At the meeting it was said that Shelby already has filed the paper work to join the MOAC and will be accepted.
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Post by jedbartlet98 on Jul 12, 2017 8:17:58 GMT -5
Good addition to the conference....
Sad that NU has to be petty and leave because they can't beat Harding
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 9:22:16 GMT -5
Sometimes a school joins a conference and over the years the conference changes from what it once was. So a school or schools may not be happy with some changes and they look for other options. It's really not as big of an issue as some make it out to be.
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Post by jedbartlet98 on Jul 12, 2017 11:59:37 GMT -5
North Union and Pleasant are leaving because they thought they'd dominate Harding and they are getting dominated themselves.
It's sad
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 12:36:28 GMT -5
It was always told that Harding was accepted by the other MOAC schools for fear of not having an 8th team. Not because of easy wins. This was an action that many knew would be short term but it happened anyway.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 12, 2017 15:00:12 GMT -5
Sometimes a school joins a conference and over the years the conference changes. So a school or schools may not be happy with some changes and they look for other options. What if they vote for the change and a few years later decide they don't like the change? Don't like it so much, that they're "other option" is a league with schools that on average are 25% larger than the schools in the MOAC and they're travel time in the new league increases by 50%? |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 12, 2017 15:01:59 GMT -5
It was always told that Harding was accepted for fear of not having an 8th team. Not because of easy wins. This was an action that many knew would be short term but it happened anyway. More generalities, WHO told you? WHO are the many? |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 12, 2017 15:04:10 GMT -5
North Union and Pleasant are leaving because they thought they'd dominate Harding and they are getting dominated themselves. It's sad There is a school larger than Harding in the league NU is going to. Maybe that school doesn't have the "athletes" Harding has. |
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Post by moacmama on Jul 13, 2017 6:31:55 GMT -5
NU (and Pleasant, perhaps) are not leaving because of Harding. NU has consistently dominated Harding in other sports so to make that argument is stupid. (girls basketball, softball, for a couple examples, and boys basketball is one of those sports that tends to cycle dominancy in our area) Pleasant could probably make the same argument but I can not speak for them.
Here are some reasons:
1. Instability. The rumor that so-n-so is leaving all the time. Or creating a new conference. That school hasn't even been brought up on here.
2. The MOAC is moving north. I have nothing against Ontario and Clearfork, but that made the drive longer. And now we are talking Shelby? Our longest drive used to be to Northmor, which was awful, but I would take it back in a heartbeat, at least I could stop at the pizza place (purple indian? or something like that. Dropped a lot of money there back in the day) in Mt Gilead on my way home. I really don't mind the drive to Galion but I do hate the stadium parking situation. But will admit, it is a cool stadium in a nice park setting - remember when more communities had that? Hope Galion can maintain that for years to come but please fix that square corner on the track.
3. Similar settings in the CBC. More rural schools. I think Willard is referring to Urbana, when was the last time you drove through there? Compares to Galion.
There are more but I have things to do today, and Willard, why are you so angry about this? You stated you would rather have Shelby in so why do you care so much about the CBC?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 7:23:39 GMT -5
Who will take shelby's spot in sbc if those goes through?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 7:45:17 GMT -5
It would seem the SBC would have a lot of ways to handle a team leaving. Currently at 20 schools with I believe 2 more planning to join and more wanting to be considered.
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Post by 2112 on Jul 13, 2017 13:41:45 GMT -5
Who will take shelby's spot in sbc if those goes through? If Shelby leaves the year Danbury & Gibby come in, then 6-6-7 makes the most sense with Willard bumping up. If Shelby leaves the year before and nobody else comes in, a 2-division arrangement of 8-9 or 9-8 makes more sense to me. Time to invite Genoa & Woodmore... |
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Post by galion on Jul 13, 2017 13:53:15 GMT -5
NU (and Pleasant, perhaps) are not leaving because of Harding. NU has consistently dominated Harding in other sports so to make that argument is stupid. (girls basketball, softball, for a couple examples, and boys basketball is one of those sports that tends to cycle dominancy in our area) Pleasant could probably make the same argument but I can not speak for them. Here are some reasons: 1. Instability. The rumor that so-n-so is leaving all the time. Or creating a new conference. That school hasn't even been brought up on here. 2. The MOAC is moving north. I have nothing against Ontario and Clearfork, but that made the drive longer. And now we are talking Shelby? Our longest drive used to be to Northmor, which was awful, but I would take it back in a heartbeat, at least I could stop at the pizza place (purple indian? or something like that. Dropped a lot of money there back in the day) in Mt Gilead on my way home. I really don't mind the drive to Galion but I do hate the stadium parking situation. But will admit, it is a cool stadium in a nice park setting - remember when more communities had that? Hope Galion can maintain that for years to come but please fix that square corner on the track. 3. Similar settings in the CBC. More rural schools. I think Willard is referring to Urbana, when was the last time you drove through there? Compares to Galion. There are more but I have things to do today, and Willard, why are you so angry about this? You stated you would rather have Shelby in so why do you care so much about the CBC? Just to be clear we are only taking Shelby now because YOU are leaving. |
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Post by kingmartinez on Jul 13, 2017 14:47:57 GMT -5
Who will take shelby's spot in sbc if those goes through? If Shelby leaves the year Danbury & Gibby come in, then 6-6-7 makes the most sense with Willard bumping up. If Shelby leaves the year before and nobody else comes in, a 2-division arrangement of 8-9 or 9-8 makes more sense to me. Time to invite Genoa & Woodmore... Hopewell is already in line as well. I'm guessing this is all for 2018-19. Shelby leaving certainly helps the Bay division's pitch to those mid-size schools like Genoa. |
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Post by smitty1974 on Jul 13, 2017 15:44:41 GMT -5
ok,if shelby is to leave is there any rule in the sbc that tell shelby that they have to give a 2 or 3 year notice or even pay the sbc to get out?also about genoawould they go to lake divsion or bay division.i would think that if they go into bay division,they could have long drives to vermilion,plus they would leave their rivals lake,rossford and eastwood.i think the other trips genoa would have to make to huron and edison will make their minds not to go in the sbc.i dont think genoa would make that move.
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Post by wallacefan on Jul 13, 2017 16:06:44 GMT -5
Who will take shelby's spot in sbc if those goes through? If Shelby leaves the year Danbury & Gibby come in, then 6-6-7 makes the most sense with Willard bumping up. If Shelby leaves the year before and nobody else comes in, a 2-division arrangement of 8-9 or 9-8 makes more sense to me. Time to invite Genoa & Woodmore... I will say it a second time. Genoa is NOT leaving the NBC. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 13, 2017 23:28:17 GMT -5
NU (and Pleasant, perhaps) are not leaving because of Harding. NU has consistently dominated Harding in other sports so to make that argument is stupid. (girls basketball, softball, for a couple examples, and boys basketball is one of those sports that tends to cycle dominancy in our area) Pleasant could probably make the same argument but I can not speak for them. Here are some reasons: 1. Instability. The rumor that so-n-so is leaving all the time. Or creating a new conference. That school hasn't even been brought up on here. 2. The MOAC is moving north. I have nothing against Ontario and Clearfork, but that made the drive longer. And now we are talking Shelby? Our longest drive used to be to Northmor, which was awful, but I would take it back in a heartbeat, at least I could stop at the pizza place (purple indian? or something like that. Dropped a lot of money there back in the day) in Mt Gilead on my way home. I really don't mind the drive to Galion but I do hate the stadium parking situation. But will admit, it is a cool stadium in a nice park setting - remember when more communities had that? Hope Galion can maintain that for years to come but please fix that square corner on the track. 3. Similar settings in the CBC. More rural schools. I think Willard is referring to Urbana, when was the last time you drove through there? Compares to Galion. There are more but I have things to do today, and Willard, why are you so angry about this? You stated you would rather have Shelby in so why do you care so much about the CBC? 1. Put your big boy pants on. For the past 40 years every league within a 60 mile radius Mansfield has had rumors almost every year about schools leaving. EVERY league Ontario has been in has had teams run away from them. So being petrified about a school leaving the MOAC is silliness. 2. It is complete misnomer by you to say "Ontario and Clear Fork...made the drive[sic] longer. WITH Ontario and Clear Fork in the MOAC, the average drive to CBC schools is 50% longer than the average drive in the new MOAC. Using travel as an excuse REALLY makes you look bad. The fuel costs diving to games in the CBC is going to increase by 50% over what it would be in the MOAC. Students will be up later at night following week day contests in the CBC. Admit it what you really miss is games against itys bitsy Northmor, Cardington, Mt.Gilead, Ridgedale and Elgin. That ran away from NU. 3. I am not referring to a singular school. I am looking at the ENTIRE picture. Something you obviously have not done. FOUR schools in the MOAC are closer to NU than ANY school in the CBC. FOUR schools in the CBC are further from NU than Ontario. You didn't like the drive to Galion? EIGHT schools in the CBC are longer or equal trips. Do some research before making up excuses. Angry?? Not angry, I'm embarrassed for you. You would be far better off, not making yourself a spokes person for NU in this move. Not angry, just presenting FACTS to show how weak your excuses are. Not angry, ecstatic that Shelby is in the MOAC and NU is out. Shelby has far better athletic programs than NU and are a nice community. Not angry, just sticking up for a fellow MOAC school. Be honest, it is very obvious that the only reason NU has for leaving the MOAC is their disdain for Harding and their "athletes". |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 13, 2017 23:33:05 GMT -5
ok,if shelby is to leave is there any rule in the sbc that tell shelby that they have to give a 2 or 3 year notice or even pay the sbc to get out?also about genoawould they go to lake divsion or bay division.i would think that if they go into bay division,they could have long drives to vermilion,plus they would leave their rivals lake,rossford and eastwood.i think the other trips genoa would have to make to huron and edison will make their minds not to go in the sbc.i dont think genoa would make that move. Same rules the MOAC would have about a school leaving. Since NU wants out of the MOAC and Shelby wants out of the SBC. It would be best for all parties concerned to make it happen as soon as possible. |
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Post by birchbarlow on Jul 14, 2017 7:35:55 GMT -5
ok,if shelby is to leave is there any rule in the sbc that tell shelby that they have to give a 2 or 3 year notice or even pay the sbc to get out?also about genoawould they go to lake divsion or bay division.i would think that if they go into bay division,they could have long drives to vermilion,plus they would leave their rivals lake,rossford and eastwood.i think the other trips genoa would have to make to huron and edison will make their minds not to go in the sbc.i dont think genoa would make that move. There are no enforceable rules like that. Usually these things take 2 years to complete due to football schedules already being set. |
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Post by Skip Bayless on Jul 14, 2017 16:59:56 GMT -5
HAS any Administrator at Shelby openly said they don't want to be in the SBC or join the SBC until something better comes up?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 17:40:56 GMT -5
HAS any Administrator at Shelby openly said they don't want to be in the SBC or join the SBC until something better comes up? They already joined the SBC |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 5:42:28 GMT -5
Most saw this as a short term membership and it appears to be in play.
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Post by 2112 on Jul 15, 2017 9:36:40 GMT -5
Most saw this as a short term membership and it appears to be in play. I know Shelby was in the NOL forever, but to me they kinda seem like the odd duck in the new-look SBC. Probably a combination of geography and that they aren't grouped with most of the NOL teams. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 9:48:16 GMT -5
. Similar settings in the CBC. More rural schools. I think Willard is referring to Urbana, when was the last time you drove through there? Compares to Galion. If you actually look at the schools currently in the CBC you can see that they have changed their divisions over the last couple years with teams moving. Probably to accommodate the schools involved. If the CBC did that again and adjusted for the addition of North Union to more north/south divisions it could be convenient and close for NU. Maybe not as close as a few Marion county schools but closer than some ya think. Either way it appears they already committed so something in the CBC is more appealing than the MOAC and nobody can be upset for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 9:54:30 GMT -5
Most saw this as a short term membership and it appears to be in play. I know Shelby was in the NOL forever, but to me they kinda seem like the odd duck in the new-look SBC. Probably a combination of geography and that they aren't grouped with most of the NOL teams. That may be their thinking as well. They have been a topic of discussion at multiple conferences meetings for different leagues ever since the NOL folding announcement. It would seem they never did have great interest in what the SBC was offering. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 15, 2017 14:14:41 GMT -5
. Similar settings in the CBC. More rural schools. I think Willard is referring to Urbana, when was the last time you drove through there? Compares to Galion. If you actually look at the schools currently in the CBC you can see that they have been changed their divisions over the last couple years with teams moving. If the CBC adjusted to north/south divisions it could be convenient and close. Why are the CBC divisions set up as they are now?? An obvious reason among others is, "That is how the 10 current schools want them to be." I just DID "actually look", which you obviously have not. Just more of your made up BS. In YOUR new North/South Divisions for the CBC. Of the 5 schools in the "North" division with NU. FOUR schools in the MOAC are closer to NU than ANY schools in what would be the "North Division" and a 5th MOAC school is an equal distance to 2 schools in the "North" Division. ALSO, being in a 6 school DIVISION, I doubt NU will be able to find 5 close by non-league, some in difficult weeks to schedule. Their best chance for non-league games in difficult weeks will be cross over games against schools in the "South" Division, way down around the Springfield area. Much longer trips for non-league games in the CBC, compared to the MOAC. As you see, a 6 school Division in the CBC is more problematic than even the supposed fear of a 7 school MOAC. BTW, the AVERAGE number of boys in the top 3 grades of those 5 Northern most schools is 251, one has 348. NU has 188, they will be the smallest. The average size of MOAC schools would be 221, NU is not the smallest. Once again there is no logical reason for NU leaving the MOAC, other than them wanting to get away from Harding and their "athletes". Which is ok with me. As I am over joyed that a school with that mind set is leaving and the good guys from Shelby are coming in. |
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Post by bigman on Jul 17, 2017 5:52:07 GMT -5
I do not know the current schedules, but I do know I would hate to make the Shelby to Vermillion or Oak Harbor trip and vise versa. I would not blame Shelby for wanting to move to a league closer to home.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jul 17, 2017 8:28:55 GMT -5
If Shelby leaves the year Danbury & Gibby come in, then 6-6-7 makes the most sense with Willard bumping up. If Shelby leaves the year before and nobody else comes in, a 2-division arrangement of 8-9 or 9-8 makes more sense to me Time to invite Genoa & Woodmore... That scenario won't happen, since Shelby is already going to play at least one school year in the SBC (17-18) and Danbury and Gibsonburg join the very next year (18-19) Hopewell is already in line as well. I'm guessing this is all for 2018-19. Shelby leaving certainly helps the Bay division's pitch to those mid-size schools like Genoa. Anything official on Hopewell joining? If they join and Shelby leaves, it would keep the overall number of football schools even if all the moves happened in the same year (+3 and -1 to get from 18 to 20) |
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Post by 2112 on Jul 17, 2017 13:49:00 GMT -5
If Shelby leaves the year Danbury & Gibby come in, then 6-6-7 makes the most sense with Willard bumping up. If Shelby leaves the year before and nobody else comes in, a 2-division arrangement of 8-9 or 9-8 makes more sense to me Time to invite Genoa & Woodmore... That scenario won't happen, since Shelby is already going to play at least one school year in the SBC (17-18) and Danbury and Gibsonburg join the very next year (18-19) Ahhh that's right... dangit old age is a cruel mistress... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:59:10 GMT -5
With the activity of teams joining it would make sense the SBC would not require Shelby to give the standard 2 year notice to leave.
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