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Post by greenman on Sept 8, 2017 18:37:00 GMT -5
Bears grab an Eagle fumble in the backfield, ensuing play goes over Eagle hats for a Marg TD. Two-pt. conv. good. Bears 14-6 at 10:29 Q2.
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Post by greenman on Sept 8, 2017 18:31:20 GMT -5
Bad series for Bears, incl. several sacks. Pass Interf. call got them to 3rd and 6, but another sack seals deal. Quarter ends 6-all, Eagle ball on their own 40.
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Post by greenman on Sept 8, 2017 18:23:30 GMT -5
Horner snaps off a 64-yd run on 3rd and 2 for Eagle TD, PAT no good. Tied up w/ 2:14 left Q1.
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Post by greenman on Sept 8, 2017 18:19:46 GMT -5
Eagles needed some time, but are starting to adjust to Hilton so far. He is impressive, though.
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Post by greenman on Sept 8, 2017 18:08:54 GMT -5
19 secs in, Bears up w/ missed PAT. 6-0.
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Post by greenman on Sept 8, 2017 17:33:20 GMT -5
You didn't upset me as a Christian, galion. It's just I don't believe there is a "sliding scale" within the realm of mortal sins. Adultery and using God's name as a curse are in the same list as highest of the high. I don't know how that makes me simple-minded. As for the interest in how someone's personal life affects others outside the class - within the context of having problems getting hired elsewhere - I TOTALLY attributed that to you incorrectly and apologize - that was scooty's take. For you and for Dude, however, I'd like to know from either one or both of you how an actual criminal offense within our secular justice system stacks up against a mortal sin that we tend not to prosecute, but allow to the characters involved to resolve it through their own litigation. DUI does not really equate with just marital infidelity on the list of actionable offenses in most workplaces, distasteful and wrong though it is.
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Post by greenman on Sept 8, 2017 9:42:29 GMT -5
Witness brother Greenman. Oh how I love Christianity. The ability to whitewash virtually anything. Oh, you can't talk about this because everybody sins. Did you even read the entire thread? I didn't bring the subject up. After it was my original point was simply the irony of the whole thing. How his brother in law essentially just got him his dream job and now this is how he shows his gratitude. For Christ sake I'm the one who posted that it wasn't a fireable offense in the first place nor did I suggest that he should be. So please take your sanctimonious crap and feed it to somebody else. You're the one who brought his actual bona fides as a school counselor into question, and I figured it was vis-a-vis his infidelity, and what I read into your responses to WF confirmed it, at least for me. I never said we can't talk about it - I highlighted part of your quote that I disagreed with, and shared my view. Taking the Lord's name in vain isn't different than adultery, since indeed, we all fall short anyway. Even if there were a sliding scale, both adultery and using the name of God as a curse are, as I said, both right up there on the top ten. As for you mentioning adultery wasn't a firing offense, you did do that, but seemed anxious to see if his alleged deeds stopped him from being hired somewhere else. Why? What I see in this yet another community member trying to hold the private lives of teachers and coaches up to harsher scrutiny than they deserve only for being public employees. I've already addressed it more than once on this site with others. No one, including myself, is "whitewashing" what Hawkins allegedly did. WF may go to ridiculous lengths to defend him, and you may go to the same lengths to deride him: why this one person lives on so long in NOSF threads is a mystery to me. (More for Dude:) Also, the "private" part of "private sin" in my post referred to that which he did outside his public persona as coach/counselor/whatever other post he held or holds in a district. That it's all over the county is not not his fault, unless he chose to explicitly advertise it. For all I know, in this day and age, he could have done exactly that.
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Post by greenman on Sept 7, 2017 20:49:46 GMT -5
I don't think many of those boys would think a three-hour drive is good at all. Boys know what a win could mean post-game.
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Post by greenman on Sept 7, 2017 20:14:31 GMT -5
I'll take your bet. You're obviously oblivious to most of my posts regarding Hawkins while he was in Galion. I certainly didn't "cherish" him while he was here. If you don't believe me ask around. I had all sorts of posters on NOSF wee wee e d at me over my comments and opinions about him. The fact that you are trying to equate all sins nullifies your position. Taking the Lord's name in vain is equivalent to cheating on and leaving your wife? Really Willard? I wonder if your wife would agree with that position. It's OK, we had people in Galion willing to defend all of his "mistakes" at any cost too. You obviously are going to defend all things Ontario so you will as well. I really don't see a school district hiring a Guidance counselor with pretext that he "counsel others how not to do what he has done". My brother is a guidance counselor and behavioral guidance is a much smaller part of the job than scheduling, the CCP program, scholarships, and getting kids into the courses they need to graduate on time or get into college. Usually the schools employ a school psychologist to deal with the chronic behavioral issues today. I have a cousin who is one of those. Keep digging you'll get to China soon. That's not what our brother Paul says about sin - we all fall short of deserving perfect grace by ourselves, so there is no need for a sliding scale, is there? Aren't both in the top 10, too? His (Hawkins') private sins are his cross alone to bear, the same as everyone else. Unless it involves the harming of a student, or is done either at the school/with school resources/on the school's watch, that's how it should be. Think of it this way: would you want a person of the cloth coming in for a school assembly at your child's school and proselytizing and pronouncing judgement on how your children act? Even if it was your own priest or pastor? Even if your answer is yes, you can at least see how others would reasonably claim that such an activity could be construed as an unconstitutional attack on the right to raise your child by what should be a secular public school district, right? Adultery is distasteful to the secular portion of our society, grounds for divorce, and a mortal sin to boot, but it's not technically illegal or a firing offense in itself. Teachers, counselors, coaches: we're all human, too. We come complete with the same faults and weaknesses all others possess, and all we can do is the best we can in modeling behavior for students. You know where that should come from, though? Mom and Dad (or whoever)! Raise the ones you breed yourself right, and they should know right from wrong well enough before we can influence them. Hawkins was/is a football coach - he was hired to coach football. No matter what other position he has within the district, his private life NOT your business unless students are harmed or the reputation of the district is harmed. Period. He's not the school's priest-in-residence. I understand that you have objections to other aspects of this coach besides what he does in the privacy of his bedroom - that's fine, as long as it's not a reflection of the private life he leads outside his job. If his indiscretions harmed people close to you, I can understand, but if not, then stop chewing this venomous toad you've got for him, spit it out, and move on.
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Post by greenman on Sept 7, 2017 7:19:22 GMT -5
Bad news guys, the SBC is going to gobble up a lot of conferences. Word on the street is that they are looking to make 13 divisions with 8 schools in each division. As of right now the SBC thinks they will be able to expand to 7 divisions by 2025. Below is the SBC's projected lineup to start in the fall of 2025. Ocean (8) - Toledo Whitmer, Findlay, Perrysburg, Toledo CC, Fremont Ross, Toledo St John's, Oregon Clay, Maumee Sea (8) - Sandusky, Clyde, Perkins, Tiffin Columbian, Norwalk, Maumee, Bowling Green, Rossford Lake (8) - Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Bellevue, Huron, Edison, Vermilion, Genoa, Fostoria Bay (8) - Lakota, Willard, Gibsonburg, Genoa, Woodmore, Margaretta, Gibsonburg, Firelands River (8) - New London, Western Reserve, South Central, Crestline, Bucyrus, Plymouth, Crestview, Mapleton Creek (8) - Mohawk, Carey, Seneca East, Hopewell-Loudon, Liberty Benton, Buckeye Central, Vanlue, Arcadia Pond (8) - Old Fort, New Riegel, Tiffin Calvert, Fremont St Joe, SMCC, St Paul, Danbury, Monroeville The SBC's target for 2040 is to fully expand to 13 divisions, proposed Division names for the expansion are Kiddy Pool, Puddle, Full Sink, Glass half full, Glass half empty, and Droplet. I'm not a fan of this reshuffling but it is what it is, I'm sorry to be a bringer of bad news. That Genoa & Maumee are gonna be in 2 divisions simultaneously will make for some interesting crossovers. And I can't wait for the yearly series between Gibsonburg and Gibsonburg in what will undoubtedly become a huge Bay-division rivalry... :-D Gibsonburg vs. Gibsonburg shouldn't be that hard to bring about.
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Post by greenman on Sept 6, 2017 10:53:58 GMT -5
Bad news guys, the SBC is going to gobble up a lot of conferences. Word on the street is that they are looking to make 13 divisions with 8 schools in each division. As of right now the SBC thinks they will be able to expand to 7 divisions by 2025. Below is the SBC's projected lineup to start in the fall of 2025. Ocean (8) - Toledo Whitmer, Findlay, Perrysburg, Toledo CC, Fremont Ross, Toledo St John's, Oregon Clay, Maumee Sea (8) - Sandusky, Clyde, Perkins, Tiffin Columbian, Norwalk, Maumee, Bowling Green, Rossford Lake (8) - Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Bellevue, Huron, Edison, Vermilion, Genoa, Fostoria Bay (8) - Lakota, Willard, Gibsonburg, Genoa, Woodmore, Margaretta, Gibsonburg, Firelands River (8) - New London, Western Reserve, South Central, Crestline, Bucyrus, Plymouth, Crestview, Mapleton Creek (8) - Mohawk, Carey, Seneca East, Hopewell-Loudon, Liberty Benton, Buckeye Central, Vanlue, Arcadia Pond (8) - Old Fort, New Riegel, Tiffin Calvert, Fremont St Joe, SMCC, St Paul, Danbury, Monroeville The SBC's target for 2040 is to fully expand to 13 divisions, proposed Division names for the expansion are Kiddy Pool, Puddle, Full Sink, Glass half full, Glass half empty, and Droplet. I'm not a fan of this reshuffling but it is what it is, I'm sorry to be a bringer of bad news. I hate to dispute you, but it's already been agreed by the powers that be that any division with current FC members will be named "Spilled (Beverage)" -they're still at loggerheads between "Milk" and "Beer" - and "Wet Sneeze." It's decided and confirmed. By me.
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Post by greenman on Sept 5, 2017 11:50:29 GMT -5
I'm grateful for the clarity, Rambo. It all seemed hazy to me between shifting enrollments. I had thought that Bellevue - in terms of male HS and overall district enrollment - was slightly larger than Perkins.
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Post by greenman on Sept 5, 2017 10:38:41 GMT -5
Someone please explain how the six-person difference in boys' enrollments (according to OHSAA Member Dir.) accounts for the divisional difference between Bellevue (D IV) and Perkins (D III) in FB? Are they really that close to the line? Here I was sure Perkins was the smallest by enrollment in Lake Div. Because they have to set the line somewhere, they try to make each division as close to the same number of schools as possible. If your above the line your Div 3 if your below your 4. I'm sure there are schools within one of the cutoff and if they move the number one spot another school will be within one of the cutoff. I know there's a def. cutoff, I just was surprised that Perkins and Bellevue each literally sat right there on either side of it like that.
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Post by greenman on Sept 4, 2017 21:12:28 GMT -5
Where did dumpboy gooooooooooooooo! LOL Says the Bellevue Man-Baby.
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Post by greenman on Sept 4, 2017 21:09:31 GMT -5
Someone please explain how the six-person difference in boys' enrollments (according to OHSAA Member Dir.) accounts for the divisional difference between Bellevue (D IV) and Perkins (D III) in FB? Are they really that close to the line? Here I was sure Perkins was the smallest by enrollment in Lake Div.
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Post by greenman on Sept 4, 2017 20:55:11 GMT -5
Beat up on smaller teams. We play all division III schools in the Lake and no division IV teams will play us in cross over games from the bay so now we drive cross country to get five none league games. The great SBC (that was 7 teams and now 21) should try to reason with all schools not just the old SBC teams and make it a great league with cross overs games that make sense. Again this is just my opinion I don't need to hear from the big mouths that we came to them. It cost schools to travel!!!!!!!!!! Will this help, user of unnecessary multiple exclamation points?
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Post by greenman on Sept 4, 2017 9:38:25 GMT -5
Bellevue AW M'ville Oak Harbor PC Lakota Sandusky Shelby St. Paul Vermilion
Tiebreaker: 49
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Post by greenman on Sept 4, 2017 9:33:42 GMT -5
Edison M'ville SP Mapleton SC Black River Wellington AC AW Marion Local
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Post by greenman on Sept 2, 2017 21:24:25 GMT -5
i was worse only 4-6 and 10-10 overall. my worst start ever!!! I've only done one better overall. Only Plymouth could break the curse at Willard, naturally. I think, too, that I put too much into Hillsdale slapping Mapleton around week 1. Of course Hillsdale's going to win that one. The Margaretta-vs.-Western Toilet Bowl was also a missed call for me, thanks in part to what Black River did to Western the week before. Also, I figured the Danbury-SC score would look like that, but just reversed. What the hell, Lakers?
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Post by greenman on Sept 2, 2017 21:16:23 GMT -5
Margaretta will not be forced to change leagues from River to Bay. They initially left the SBC for that River Conference. I think if they did get forced to move up, They'd leave the SBC and River league, for something else. I'm not sure where they'd go, But they wouldn't put up this. Like St. Mary's, they were the next one to cry how small they are, and couldn't compete. The Bears are happy to be where there at. But let's not forget, last year Edison started crying that too, and wanted into the River. Edison was crying last year? I don't recall that. As for SMCC, they've wanted out of the SBC for decades; if not officially, parents and even coaches have been heard complaining about it since at least the 80s. That was a fairly good decade for Panther athletics, as I recall, but I think some could see the writing on the wall as far as the school, and area Catholic schools, went. They understand that they can't be punching 2-3 divisions above their weight class anymore - money, not to mention this era's cultural value given to Catholic education, is in short supply in this immediate area. Margaretta? The football story is really just another story of a farming village on the wane, not unlike others in this area. If River only grows to 9, who's to say they couldn't play 8 division games w/in the conference while other divs. play 7 or less? What do we lose with unbalanced divisions, really? Crossovers are fine, but not vital. I'm not 100% sure that, at this point, they wouldn't accept a place in Bay Div. As you said, where else would they go? Also a factor (I feel): I hate to bring it up again and again like this, but truth be told, for school districts (and their athletic teams), open enrollment has proved to be a mixed bag, in terms of their athletic teams and school culture in general. In Erie Co., Kelley's Isl. is the only district not to offer OE at all - all others offer it not just to students living in adjacent districts, but students living anywhere. Sandusky and Huron Cos. are nearly the same. In my opinion, this makes the shuffle too easy, and too likely that talent will be on a revolving-door basis, whether it's centered in just one individual that comes in and leaves quickly, or in an athlete that leaves and another that arrives.
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Post by greenman on Sept 2, 2017 11:28:57 GMT -5
At a special Hopewell-Loudon board meeting on Tuesday, 29 August, Hopewell-Loudon voted to join the SBC starting in 2019-2020. The special board meeting was required to notify the Blanchard Valley Conference by 1 September. With Hopewell-Loudon joining the SBC, the only high school located in Seneca County not in the conference will be Seneca East (OHSAA lists Fostoria as Wood County). Looking at the current OHSAA enrollment figures, Hopewell-Loudon fits in the River Division. Some jockeying around will need to take place to even out the divisions as Hopewell-Loudon would the 9th school in the River Division. Who will move up in both football and the other sports remains to be seen. The largest school in the River Division (not including Margaretta and Willard who are football only) is Lakota. It would also seem that either Willard or Margaretta would also have to move to the Bay Division in football. Fun times ahead. www.advertiser-tribune.com/news/local-news/2017/08/h-l-board-agrees-to-join-athletic-league/I agree. I'm sure either one of those two schools would just jump at the chance. We'll need to start popping the popcorn soon if we want to have enough by the time the show gets good.
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Post by greenman on Sept 1, 2017 22:28:21 GMT -5
There go most of my picks. Had Danbury, Plymouth, Margaretta, and I think Wellington all winning their contests.
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Post by greenman on Sept 1, 2017 18:33:51 GMT -5
Tied up.
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Post by greenman on Sept 1, 2017 18:26:39 GMT -5
End of 1 in M'ville: SMCC 6, Monroeville 0. Eagles on Panther 12.
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Post by greenman on Sept 1, 2017 11:27:37 GMT -5
As for the Common Core argument in this thread, Common Core has very little to do today with academic performance. It's a dead program. Individually, districts may have looted the corpse and salvaged what they thought was good, but as a unified, monolithic, living, guiding curriculum, it was very nearly DOA here in Ohio - two, maybe three years ago?
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Post by greenman on Aug 31, 2017 22:37:19 GMT -5
Another phase is complete with Hopewell officially joining the SBC so who is next? Woodmore? Seneca East? Mohawk? Carey? Northwood? Elmwood? Some of these schools would border on being in the Bay Division which probably changes their interest level unless the SBC looks to stay at 10-12 schools in the River Division. As it has been postulated on another thread in another topic, the FC will be gently folded into the mega-ultra-conference in its entirety, and will stand alone as its own division. The masterminds of this move only need to choose between two possible names for the division: Spilled Beverage or Wet Sneeze.
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Post by greenman on Aug 31, 2017 4:35:57 GMT -5
Everyone's expecting Sandusky to bury Huron, But sometimes strange things do happen inside of Kalahari Field. I'm not believing the Tigers will win, but I think it'll be a lot closer than people think. After being at the Perkins/Huron game, and watching it half dozen times on BCSN, Huron kids were in much better condition in the 4th qtr., than the Pirates. Plus out coaching Zeigler was the other key. The Tigers conditioning program has highly improved, since last year. The Streaks have too many more weapons than we do. Is gonna be interesting. I'm not a coach myself, and I could never be. That being said, I think that, with Quisno two years gone now, many people will learn that out-coaching Ziegler is not the great feat they may have thought it was. Quis was the mind and the great motivator.
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Post by greenman on Aug 31, 2017 0:18:06 GMT -5
Is this the first sign of an N10 implosion? Will Ridgedale's move taken together with the competitive imbalance Willard pointed out cause Mohawk & Seneca East jump to the SBC sooner rather than later? Maybe the SBC could help their own situation by absorbing the N10 when they bring in Ross, Genoa, Woodmore & Firelands... although this messes with the 5-county footprint some... Lake: Sandusky, Perkins, Norwalk, Clyde, Bellevue, TC, Upper, Ross (maybe Galion instead) Bay: PC, OH, Vermilion, Huron, Edison, Bucyrus, Genoa, Firelands River: Calvert, SJCC, SMCC, Danbury, Gibby, Margaretta, Woodmore, Lakota Creek: Buckeye Central, Carey, Colonel Crawford, Wynford, HL, Seneca East, Mohawk, Willard There you go... a nice tidy 8-8-8-8. Though I must admit that the River & Creek are more assigned geographically than strictly by size. And I don't know how enrollments stack up for Upper & Firelands (and Galion). Even so, this alignment would keep Willard & Margaretta in with smalls, pull the bigs out of the N10, keep Bay teams from having to move up to the Lake, tighten geography for the smalls, and stabilize the whole shebang. Everybody's happy. And of course we can make a nice, easy transition to 8-8-8-8-8 when the SBC folds in the FC en-masse as the Stream Division. ;-) I don't foresee any FC schools getting excited about joining the SBC. Wasn't there talk at Western, though, about jumping to the SBC some years ago, or was that just gossip about gossip? Calling them the "Stream" division won't cut it, I think. Maybe "Soda Spill" or "Wet Sneeze."
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Post by greenman on Aug 27, 2017 14:16:36 GMT -5
Ashland Bellevue Calvert Shelby Edison Senior PC Sandusky SP Plymouth
Tiebreaker: 56
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Post by greenman on Aug 26, 2017 23:42:42 GMT -5
Wellington Danbury Hillsdale SP Firelands - Wcats might want to sit the starters after the Falcons' visit to Edison Fri. M'ville - If Eags want to remain ascendant, they'd better find higher-caliber non-con opps. than Crestline and SMCC Marg - Bears take the Toilet Bowl Plymouth Ashland C-Massie
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