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Post by piratefan on Sept 9, 2017 8:31:25 GMT -5
The Perkins Pirates will not win a game this year, IMHO. What I watched last night was a fiasco. The Pirates are the most poorly coached, undisciplined team (if you can even call them that) I have ever seen. The Genoa fans had to be laughing at what Perkins put on the field. They looked like the Keystone Kops in football helmets. The entire program needs a "house cleaning" and the coaching staff should have been wearing paper bags over their heads it was so embarrassing. I realize there are up and down years in every program, but watching a VARSITY team that looks like they've never even played the game before is ridiculous. Charging $6.00 to watch that comedy was highway robbery. If I were the Perkins AD, I'd start my coaching search NOW!!
I don't have any kids on the team, so I'm not some disgruntled parent of a player, but I've been a longtime fan for over 25 years, and it's difficult to watch.
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Post by piratefan on Sept 9, 2017 8:38:05 GMT -5
Quote from Ziegler in the SR this morning:
“We are going to have to make some changes,” he added. “I am not going to sit here and list all the things we did wrong or who will be losing time, but we are have to do some things different. This makes three weeks in a row and at some point, you expect some improvement, and it just isn’t happening.”
You're right coach, maybe the first change should be you.
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Post by areafan1 on Sept 9, 2017 12:05:56 GMT -5
Perkins needs Coach Quis back!!!
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Post by redskinfan04 on Sept 9, 2017 15:15:06 GMT -5
The Perkins Pirates will not win a game this year, IMHO. What I watched last night was a fiasco. The Pirates are the most poorly coached, undisciplined team (if you can even call them that) I have ever seen. The Genoa fans had to be laughing at what Perkins put on the field. They looked like the Keystone Kops in football helmets. The entire program needs a "house cleaning" and the coaching staff should have been wearing paper bags over their heads it was so embarrassing. I realize there are up and down years in every program, but watching a VARSITY team that looks like they've never even played the game before is ridiculous. Charging $6.00 to watch that comedy was highway robbery. If I were the Perkins AD, I'd start my coaching search NOW!! I don't have any kids on the team, so I'm not some disgruntled parent of a player, but I've been a longtime fan for over 25 years, and it's difficult to watch. Tell us more about how you feel. I feel like you left something out. |
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Post by piratefan on Sept 9, 2017 18:52:29 GMT -5
The Perkins Pirates will not win a game this year, IMHO. What I watched last night was a fiasco. The Pirates are the most poorly coached, undisciplined team (if you can even call them that) I have ever seen. The Genoa fans had to be laughing at what Perkins put on the field. They looked like the Keystone Kops in football helmets. The entire program needs a "house cleaning" and the coaching staff should have been wearing paper bags over their heads it was so embarrassing. I realize there are up and down years in every program, but watching a VARSITY team that looks like they've never even played the game before is ridiculous. Charging $6.00 to watch that comedy was highway robbery. If I were the Perkins AD, I'd start my coaching search NOW!! I don't have any kids on the team, so I'm not some disgruntled parent of a player, but I've been a longtime fan for over 25 years, and it's difficult to watch. Tell us more about how you feel. I feel like you left something out. Can't.........there may be children on here!!  |
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Post by deathfromabove on Sept 9, 2017 22:58:24 GMT -5
Piratesfan, Not only kids there are some of old timers here have intensive hearing.   |
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Post by greenman on Sept 10, 2017 0:47:29 GMT -5
IMO, there's still hope for a win over Columbian, but certainly not a guarantee. I agree that it's already ugly and that Ziegler needs to go, but with a perspective on some of these kids that are now seniors and juniors, gained by me while they were underclassmen and I was in the building fairly regularly, I'm not terribly surprised. We might see not just this year but next as a down year, and even the year after. Who knows? Whatever happens, Perkins has an AD that will work to right the ship before we spend too much time in the gutter. It is unlikely that Ziegler will be replaced this year - last year's .500 record means that this year's eventual train-wreck was at least somewhat foreseeable, and ADs know that even their best coaches can't win 'em all year after year. Ziegler will be given this year as "down year," with next season as his opportunity to rebuild. If he fails then, he'll likely be released. I wish he was gone already, but I knew he was a mediocre mind at best before last year, too.
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Post by gncc394 on Sept 11, 2017 10:53:23 GMT -5
BRING BACK THE ROCK! WITH FARLOW....ORDER IS RESTORED & THE WINNING BEGINS AGAIN!
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Post by dump on Sept 11, 2017 11:05:32 GMT -5
I would rank PirateFan right next to WillardFilmore as the biggest premadonna on this site. A few bad losses and he is ready to cancel the entire football program. And he likes to say Huron has fairweather fans. Pirate- suck it up. Perkins will be okay. The area is too ripe with talent to be down for more than a few years. If I was you, I would look for ways to help the program before you came on to the site acting like it's the end of the world.
GO Tigers
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2017 11:33:39 GMT -5
BRING BACK THE ROCK! WITH FARLOW....ORDER IS RESTORED & THE WINNING BEGINS AGAIN! Rock was a better motivator than they have now, but everyone forgets he had 3 terrible seasons @ New London before he arrived. |
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Post by gncc394 on Sept 11, 2017 11:45:33 GMT -5
Dude Really its fricken New London they were horrible before he got there took him a few years to flush out the garbage attitude and make them bleieve they could win, then did the same with perkins who I believe before he got there stunk too.
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Post by piratefan on Sept 11, 2017 16:04:04 GMT -5
I would rank PirateFan right next to WillardFilmore as the biggest premadonna on this site. A few bad losses and he is ready to cancel the entire football program. And he likes to say Huron has fairweather fans. Pirate- suck it up. Perkins will be okay. The area is too ripe with talent to be down for more than a few years. If I was you, I would look for ways to help the program before you came on to the site acting like it's the end of the world. GO Tigers I've been a Pirate fan since you were peeing down your leg (maybe you still are) so shut up and go try and find all your imaginary Huron Tiger players that according to you, either missed the bus, are lost in the woods, are on drugs, or in jail somewhere. |
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Post by dump on Sept 11, 2017 16:19:06 GMT -5
I would rank PirateFan right next to WillardFilmore as the biggest premadonna on this site. A few bad losses and he is ready to cancel the entire football program. And he likes to say Huron has fairweather fans. Pirate- suck it up. Perkins will be okay. The area is too ripe with talent to be down for more than a few years. If I was you, I would look for ways to help the program before you came on to the site acting like it's the end of the world. GO Tigers I've been a Pirate fan since you were peeing down your leg (maybe you still are) so shut up and go try and find all your imaginary Huron Tiger players that according to you, either missed the bus, are lost in the woods, are on drugs, or in jail somewhere. Well clearly you aren't a loyal fan. A few losses and you're saying the program is dead. The length of your fandom doesn't mean anything when you act like a little child. I have been a Huron fan my whole life and have never denounced the program like that. You could learn a few things about loyalty from my dumpy bum bum Go Tigers |
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2017 16:44:53 GMT -5
I've been a Pirate fan since you were peeing down your leg (maybe you still are) so shut up and go try and find all your imaginary Huron Tiger players that according to you, either missed the bus, are lost in the woods, are on drugs, or in jail somewhere. Well clearly you aren't a loyal fan. A few losses and you're saying the program is dead. The length of your fandom doesn't mean anything when you act like a little child. I have been a Huron fan my whole life and have never denounced the program like that. You could learn a few things about loyalty from my dumpy bum bum Go Tigers Never thought I'd ever agree with dump, but...yeah. Everybody hits the skids sometime. Before Farlow, conference crowns were not a regular thing for Perkins football. piratefan knows that, and also knows that in the few years between Farlow and Ziegler, we had a dud or two. Pirates went .500 last year, and weren't undefeated the year before that. Fortunes rise and fall. It happens. It doesn't mean that Perkins football is dead. It also doesn't mean that Ziegler shouldn't be there for the 2019 campaign if things haven't begun to rise again before then. The most successful years for Perkins sports overall (during my 13 years there) were in the mid-to-late 90s - it wasn't until the very end of that that Rock arrived and made the community believe that it should be a FB powerhouse. Before that, Perkins was content to contend in or dominate track/xc, baseball, swimming, and golf. The best years I spent at Perkins were when it was a country-club-sports monster and a football wet noodle. Imagine being among the PC faithful - they've been relishing some well-deserved success now for a few years, but only after spending nearly a generation locked in the basement. Sursum corda, Pirate fans. Our days will come again. |
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2017 16:52:06 GMT -5
Dude Really its fricken New London they were horrible before he got there took him a few years to flush out the garbage attitude and make them bleieve they could win, then did the same with perkins who I believe before he got there stunk too. Not saying Farlow wasn't any good; I played for him, too. I'm saying that no matter how good his mind was, he could only do so much with the talent he has. I'd say the same thing about Ziegler, except that he is a known quantity for me. It brings a little more of the blame on him, I feel, and away from the team - but not all of it, I daresay. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 11, 2017 17:26:30 GMT -5
10 years ago wasn' t Perkins getting a lot of transfers from Sandusky? When Sandusky joined the NOL and now the SBC with smaller schools and enjoyed more successes, has the stream of transfers slowed down?
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2017 18:28:44 GMT -5
10 years ago wasn' t Perkins getting a lot of transfers from Sandusky? When Sandusky joined the NOL and now the SBC with smaller schools and enjoyed more successes, has the stream of transfers slowed down? It's balanced out quite a bit, yes. We opened our enrollment in 2009, and were unprepared for the flood. Around 300 and change signed up for the first year, mostly Sandusky. The next few years were no different. We made more room yearly, and there would still be a waiting list to start the school year 50+ deep after we'd taken in all we could take for the year. I wonder how much of what happened in the classrooms in the immediate aftermath of open enrollment can account for what is happening now on the field. What I mean by that is that we were promised the "old Perkins discipline" in the classroom would remain - it was one factor in the school's attractiveness to people outside it. Fast-forward three years down the road, and it was the people making that promise were talking out their arses. Ironically, it's Perkins' inability to maintain that discipline in the face of out-of-control numbers, that have sent many back to their home districts or on to still other ones. |
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Post by fanofthegame on Sept 11, 2017 18:38:01 GMT -5
IIRC Sandusky was pay to play at about the same time, too.
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Post by footballfan99 on Sept 11, 2017 23:53:23 GMT -5
BRING BACK THE ROCK! WITH FARLOW....ORDER IS RESTORED & THE WINNING BEGINS AGAIN! Rock was a better motivator than they have now, but everyone forgets he had 3 terrible seasons @ New London before he arrived. How can you say he had 3 terrible seasons @ New London??? New London Coach: Rocky Farlow Season 1993 Record 7-3 NL Opp Northwestern 24 0 Firelands 31 14 Fremont St. Joe 7 26 Western Reserve 46 6 Plymouth 6 8 Monroeville 6 13 St. Paul 28 20 Crestview 45 9 South Central 54 0 Mapleton 40 21 Season 1994 Record 10-1 Coach: Rocky Farlow NL Opp Northwestern 37 0 Firelands 41 0 Fremont St. Joe 54 6 Western Reserve 7 0 Plymouth 27 12 Monroeville 42 6 St. Paul 52 10 Crestview 72 14 South Central 52 8 Mapleton 57 14 Wauseon 6 24 Div. IV Regional Semi-Final @ Fremont Season 1995 Record 10-2 Coach: Rocky Farlow NL Opp Smithville 14 0 Firelands 34 13 Oberlin 44 8 Plymouth 35 12 Monroeville 20 17 St. Paul 21 24 Crestview 20 7 South Central 53 20 Mapleton 27 18 Western Reserve 40 22 Clearview 27 6 Div. V Regional Semi-Final @ Lorain Waynedale 13 16 Div. V Regional Final @ Lorain 27-6 in 3 years at New London is pretty impressive! |
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Post by greenman on Sept 12, 2017 3:37:39 GMT -5
Rock was a better motivator than they have now, but everyone forgets he had 3 terrible seasons @ New London before he arrived. How can you say he had 3 terrible seasons @ New London??? New London Coach: Rocky Farlow Season 1993 Record 7-3 NL Opp Northwestern 24 0 Firelands 31 14 Fremont St. Joe 7 26 Western Reserve 46 6 Plymouth 6 8 Monroeville 6 13 St. Paul 28 20 Crestview 45 9 South Central 54 0 Mapleton 40 21 Season 1994 Record 10-1 Coach: Rocky Farlow NL Opp Northwestern 37 0 Firelands 41 0 Fremont St. Joe 54 6 Western Reserve 7 0 Plymouth 27 12 Monroeville 42 6 St. Paul 52 10 Crestview 72 14 South Central 52 8 Mapleton 57 14 Wauseon 6 24 Div. IV Regional Semi-Final @ Fremont Season 1995 Record 10-2 Coach: Rocky Farlow NL Opp Smithville 14 0 Firelands 34 13 Oberlin 44 8 Plymouth 35 12 Monroeville 20 17 St. Paul 21 24 Crestview 20 7 South Central 53 20 Mapleton 27 18 Western Reserve 40 22 Clearview 27 6 Div. V Regional Semi-Final @ Lorain Waynedale 13 16 Div. V Regional Final @ Lorain 27-6 in 3 years at New London is pretty impressive! This has not been a good week for the Fact-Checking Dept. @ Greenman Industries, Inc. I had always been told by certain people he'd gone nearly winless during his time at NL. This was years ago, years before info like this was at everyone's fingertips. I think maybe I tried to find it once while I was still in HS, just after he was let go. I don't believe I found anything - I've never believed anything else, but don't remember ever looking for the info again. |
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Post by warningtrackpower on Sept 12, 2017 7:45:30 GMT -5
10 years ago wasn' t Perkins getting a lot of transfers from Sandusky? When Sandusky joined the NOL and now the SBC with smaller schools and enjoyed more successes, has the stream of transfers slowed down? It's balanced out quite a bit, yes. We opened our enrollment in 2009, and were unprepared for the flood. Around 300 and change signed up for the first year, mostly Sandusky. The next few years were no different. We made more room yearly, and there would still be a waiting list to start the school year 50+ deep after we'd taken in all we could take for the year. I wonder how much of what happened in the classrooms in the immediate aftermath of open enrollment can account for what is happening now on the field. What I mean by that is that we were promised the "old Perkins discipline" in the classroom would remain - it was one factor in the school's attractiveness to people outside it. Fast-forward three years down the road, and it was the people making that promise were talking out their arses. Ironically, it's Perkins' inability to maintain that discipline in the face of out-of-control numbers, that have sent many back to their home districts or on to still other ones. There weren't too many complaints about the discipline when the team was going to the playoffs, with a lineup that included key contributors from players that were open enrolled from other districts |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 7:49:06 GMT -5
Farlow was 5-5 in last season at New London,which was in '96.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 12, 2017 15:18:33 GMT -5
IIRC Sandusky was pay to play at about the same time, too. Sandusky doesn't have pay to pay?? Ontario folks were told they will always have pay to play. And every year they have many more applying for Open Enrollment than they can take. ' |
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Post by fanofthegame on Sept 12, 2017 15:39:36 GMT -5
IIRC Sandusky was pay to play at about the same time, too. Sandusky doesn't have pay to pay?? Ontario folks were told they will always have pay to play. And every year they have many more applying for Open Enrollment than they can take. ' I seem to remember discussions on the old NOSF around the same time. Perkins started open enrollment at the same time Sandusky implemented pay to play (not suggesting intentionally). It was a perfect storm. Then a year or two later Perkins had to start pay to play as well. Someone from up north with more information can either confirm or correct me. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 16:22:29 GMT -5
Sandusky doesn't have pay to pay?? Ontario folks were told they will always have pay to play. And every year they have many more applying for Open Enrollment than they can take. ' I seem to remember discussions on the old NOSF around the same time. Perkins started open enrollment at the same time Sandusky implemented pay to play (not suggesting intentionally). It was a perfect storm. Then a year or two later Perkins had to start pay to play as well. Someone from up north with more information can either confirm or correct me. Sandusky has never had pay to play. If that was the case, we wouldn't have sports. |
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Post by greenman on Sept 13, 2017 20:14:25 GMT -5
It's balanced out quite a bit, yes. We opened our enrollment in 2009, and were unprepared for the flood. Around 300 and change signed up for the first year, mostly Sandusky. The next few years were no different. We made more room yearly, and there would still be a waiting list to start the school year 50+ deep after we'd taken in all we could take for the year. I wonder how much of what happened in the classrooms in the immediate aftermath of open enrollment can account for what is happening now on the field. What I mean by that is that we were promised the "old Perkins discipline" in the classroom would remain - it was one factor in the school's attractiveness to people outside it. Fast-forward three years down the road, and it was the people making that promise were talking out their arses. Ironically, it's Perkins' inability to maintain that discipline in the face of out-of-control numbers, that have sent many back to their home districts or on to still other ones. There weren't too many complaints about the discipline when the team was going to the playoffs, with a lineup that included key contributors from players that were open enrolled from other districts You wouldn't hear them unless you spoke to some of the braver teachers in a private setting (the only place they dare talk about anything thanks to administration - though that isn't unique). Either that, or you could work in the schools yourself. Some of those "key contributors" were, at times, prohibited from leaving the classroom for any reason without the teacher putting a call into the main office so either the Principal or VP could escort them there and back. This was thanks to their repeated abuse of the privilege of being allowed to leave class during class time. |
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Post by greenman on Sept 13, 2017 20:17:35 GMT -5
I seem to remember discussions on the old NOSF around the same time. Perkins started open enrollment at the same time Sandusky implemented pay to play (not suggesting intentionally). It was a perfect storm. Then a year or two later Perkins had to start pay to play as well. Someone from up north with more information can either confirm or correct me. Sandusky has never had pay to play. If that was the case, we wouldn't have sports. I didn't believe that, either. I imagine the community would have declared war on the district. This time period was just before Sanders was hired as Supt. and began the revitalization of the schools - including rebuilding the bonds between the citizenry, civic gov't., and the schools - and I'm sure Blue Streak nation wouldn't have tolerated any of that sort of thing at that point in time. |
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Post by Birdman on Sept 14, 2017 14:42:03 GMT -5
I do enjoy the "bring back Rock Farlow" comments. IMHO he should have never been fired from Perkins. IMHO he was fired because he wouldn't play certain kids who had parents in certain places within the Perkins Locals Schools Admin and Board. Some can say when you go 2-8 in "04" then 4-6 "05" it's time for a change, but again I beg to differ. In "03" he took the pirates to the playoffs only to face perennial powerhouse Columbus Desales. If it wasn't for a couple mistakes and a better showing against the showdown with Huron for the SBC title, they could have been 9-1 or 8-2. This could have and would have given them a better shot in the playoffs then facing Desales right off the bat. Making Farlow look better if you will since winning is all that matters. Also the injuries that plagued the pirates during those two down years was unreal. I think at one point 15 kids were out for extended time if not the season.
Point is having been coached by Farlow and having him as the HC for my entire stint at PHS except for my senior year when Brausch took over it was a great experience. No one got you fired up like he did, no one pushed you to the level he did, and no and I mean no one cared as much as he did. Worse thing to happen to my class was putting a new offense in, the wing-t was are bread and butter, and all of a sudden you take it from us. Again Rock should have never, ever been fired and i will revert to what i previously said as to why I feel he was. I will always remember I was having a very sub-par game against 9-0 Huron in "04" I told Coach Farlow to take me out, the guy looked me straight in the eyes and said " I love ya son, I need you out there, now go and play the way you showed me in practice."
With the recent decline in wins for the pirates, it happens. Post 99 state title run, Perkins has had down years. I was a part of two of those. It's tough as a kids going out there and losing when everyone came to see you win, it's even tougher going out there, knowing 10-15 guys who are needed for that win, are out injured and can't help. I feel bad for the kids playing right now that people would call them less than garbage. Maybe they need the right motivation, maybe they are just not as talented as the other teams, whatever it is they still go out and play and deserve that. It shouldn't matter what the record is, people should still support their team and school, and yes I know easier said than done.
Perkins and again I went through this, had pay to play when I was in school, sucks. Ask my parents how it was putting 3 boys through HS and them playing a combined total of 25 sport seasons. Imagine that cost. It alright to be angry that were are not winning games, but it's not always the coach, it's not always the players. Support those young men!!!
In all my years and some people can tell you I was a little bit of a jokester in school would never dare behave like some people are eluding too. Especially being in sports. I think we are just seeing the combination of lax parenting, coaches not being able to coach and discipline their players or else, and the youth of this era becoming little assholes at times. If Dahlman or Gastier had to escort me to the restroom during class, I wouldn't be on any athletic team. I had the best teachers in school, and frankly I can't imagine someone taking advantage of that or even actng like a "clown" to the extent it is said here. Discipline looks like it dying alright.
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Post by heavydrop7 on Sept 9, 2018 17:14:35 GMT -5
It’s time to bring this topic back to the forefront for all pirate fans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 17:57:57 GMT -5
Rock was a better motivator than they have now, but everyone forgets he had 3 terrible seasons @ New London before he arrived. How can you say he had 3 terrible seasons @ New London??? New London Coach: Rocky Farlow Season 1993 Record 7-3 NL Opp Northwestern 24 0 Firelands 31 14 Fremont St. Joe 7 26 Western Reserve 46 6 Plymouth 6 8 Monroeville 6 13 St. Paul 28 20 Crestview 45 9 South Central 54 0 Mapleton 40 21 Season 1994 Record 10-1 Coach: Rocky Farlow NL Opp Northwestern 37 0 Firelands 41 0 Fremont St. Joe 54 6 Western Reserve 7 0 Plymouth 27 12 Monroeville 42 6 St. Paul 52 10 Crestview 72 14 South Central 52 8 Mapleton 57 14 Wauseon 6 24 Div. IV Regional Semi-Final @ Fremont Season 1995 Record 10-2 Coach: Rocky Farlow NL Opp Smithville 14 0 Firelands 34 13 Oberlin 44 8 Plymouth 35 12 Monroeville 20 17 St. Paul 21 24 Crestview 20 7 South Central 53 20 Mapleton 27 18 Western Reserve 40 22 Clearview 27 6 Div. V Regional Semi-Final @ Lorain Waynedale 13 16 Div. V Regional Final @ Lorain 27-6 in 3 years at New London is pretty impressive! Sandusky has have never pay to play |
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