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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 3:49:19 GMT -5
No they don't, this season they have a strong team. And would have that team regardless of their league. If everyone picked a conference that they knew they would be over .500 every season, would their be conferences? Some on here feel you only join a league you can win. If everyone had that mentality would it even be possible? If everyone only joined a league they knew they could win we would have schools changing almost every year. So maybe we are close to that now. So it's unreasonable of them to want to be in a conference with schools their size? You misunderstood, as I think it is reasonable for them to want that. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 4:04:33 GMT -5
And during that time every school won a football league championship. 13 league titles and 4 were shared to make up 20 league champs. Ashland 6 Wooster 3 Mansfield 3 West Holmes 2 Madison 2 Clear Fork 1 Lexington 2 Orrville 1 You're right it's an absolute mystery why Orrville and CF would want out of that situation. It's almost like you're making my point for me. Why don't you share with everybody the soccer, basketball, wrestling, track, and baseball results as well. Since it was only a "football" decision surely they must have been really competitive in those sports. There is no mystery, don't be so dramatic. But don't paint a picture of something that is not true. Success was there in many areas you mentioned including district, regional and state titles. |
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Post by galion on Oct 4, 2017 5:26:46 GMT -5
But not conference titles though. It's funny how they can have more success among schools their own size, yet you seem to suggest that size is irrelevant. They are going to be in the same division regardless of conference affiliation. I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 5:40:10 GMT -5
Question: Do you measure success by regular season or post season?
For the record, I do not know anything about Galion's 1985 regular season, but I do know they won a State Title. To me success can be measured in many ways and a league title is only 1.
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Post by galion on Oct 4, 2017 11:52:21 GMT -5
Only one has to be better in week 15. Cuyahoga Heights 25 Pandora Gilboa 26 Danville 27 Minster 28 Lehman Catholic 28 Take a look at a map and look at the area and population base that NSP gets to recruit from and please explain to me how you believe that a public D7 school can possibly be on an even playing field with them. The fact that you could only muster perhaps 5 schools in all of D7 that you believe might possibly be able to beat them tends to support my point. |
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Post by galion on Oct 4, 2017 11:59:08 GMT -5
Question: Do you measure success by regular season or post season? For the record, I do not know anything about Galion's 1985 regular season, but I do know they won a State Title. To me success can be measured in many ways and a league title is only 1. IMO That's an interesting point of view. Having been to many gymnasiums it seems that virtually all schools have banners on the walls celebrating their state and CONFERENCE titles. Also, for the record, you DO know that the 1985 team was undefeated. So you also DO know that the 1985 team was a CONFERENCE champion as well. |
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 4, 2017 12:15:06 GMT -5
Only one has to be better in week 15. Cuyahoga Heights 25 Pandora Gilboa 26 Danville 27 Minster 28 Lehman Catholic 28 Take a look at a map and look at the area and population base that NSP gets to recruit from and please explain to me how you believe that a public D7 school can possibly be on an even playing field with them. The fact that you could only muster perhaps 5 schools in all of D7 that you believe might possibly be able to beat them tends to support my point. Take a D7 school from the MAC and they will beat NSP 8 or 9 times out of 10. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 12:25:26 GMT -5
Question: Do you measure success by regular season or post season? For the record, I do not know anything about Galion's 1985 regular season, but I do know they won a State Title. To me success can be measured in many ways and a league title is only 1. IMO That's an interesting point of view. Having been to many gymnasiums it seems that virtually all schools have banners on the walls celebrating their state and CONFERENCE titles. Also, for the record, you DO know that the 1985 team was undefeated. So you also DO know that the 1985 team was a CONFERENCE champion as well. I did not know the 85 Galion was undefeated until I recently looked them up. But I knew they were state champs for the last 20 years. |
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Post by galion on Oct 4, 2017 16:11:22 GMT -5
Take a look at a map and look at the area and population base that NSP gets to recruit from and please explain to me how you believe that a public D7 school can possibly be on an even playing field with them. The fact that you could only muster perhaps 5 schools in all of D7 that you believe might possibly be able to beat them tends to support my point. Take a D7 school from the MAC and they will beat NSP 8 or 9 times out of 10. Minster perhaps but not any. |
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Post by galion on Oct 4, 2017 16:16:18 GMT -5
That's an interesting point of view. Having been to many gymnasiums it seems that virtually all schools have banners on the walls celebrating their state and CONFERENCE titles. Also, for the record, you DO know that the 1985 team was undefeated. So you also DO know that the 1985 team was a CONFERENCE champion as well. I did not know the 85 Galion was undefeated until I recently looked them up. But I knew they were state champs for the last 20 years. I'm calling bs on that one. There were fewer divisions then. Only 4 teams per region made the playoffs. You essentially had to be undefeated just to get in. All of these things you were well aware of before you "recently looked them up." It's not like before or since then a bunch of football teams in this area were winning state titles left and right. It was kind of a pretty big deal so let's not attempt to plead ignorance. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 16:41:36 GMT -5
It wasn’t ignorance, I just didn’t care. You won a state title. Who cares if you won the league.
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Post by blazer on Oct 4, 2017 17:59:45 GMT -5
Speaking of the MAC, it is easier to win a state title than it is to win a conference title.
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Post by stanley on Oct 4, 2017 19:28:03 GMT -5
Speaking of the MAC, it is easier to win a state title than it is to win a conference title. Can't argue with that. Coldwater class of '16 4 State Titles 2 League Titles. Marion Local class of '16 3 State Titles 2 League Titles. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 7:23:28 GMT -5
I did not know the 85 Galion was undefeated until I recently looked them up. But I knew they were state champs for the last 20 years. All of these things you were well aware of before you "recently looked them up." It's not like before or since then a bunch of football teams in this area were winning state titles left and right. It was kind of a pretty big deal so let's not attempt to plead ignorance. In response to your bs, after doing some checking there were 20 teams playing in the State Tournaments in 1985 from 5 divisions. Only 4 of them were undefeated with 16 teams having at least one loss and 10 having 2 or more. All of which I did not know, like the Galion regular season, until looking it up. |
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Post by galiontiger1978 on Oct 6, 2017 14:12:07 GMT -5
Actually in 1985 there were 5 Divisions in Ohio and each division had 4 Regions which means 80 teams in Ohio made the playoffs ....16 in each Division before that there were three Divisions AAA, AA & A ... each with 4 Regions and 2 teams from each made the playoffs ... for a total of 8 per Division and 24 Statewide!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 14:27:19 GMT -5
Actually in 1985 there were 5 Divisions in Ohio and each division had 4 Regions which means 80 teams in Ohio made the playoffs ....16 in each Division before that there were three Divisions AAA, AA & A ... each with 4 Regions and 2 teams from each made the playoffs ... for a total of 8 per Division and 24 Statewide! You are correct. So I'm guessing quit a few teams made the playoffs from that 80 in 1985 that were not undefeated. I only looked at the 20 that made the State semi-final and championship games and found only 4 of the 20 were undefeated. |
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Post by gt1975 on Oct 6, 2017 18:46:16 GMT -5
CF 21 GT 0 after 1Q
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Post by gtab on Oct 6, 2017 19:55:38 GMT -5
34 - 0 at the end of the 3rd quarter.
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Post by gtab on Oct 6, 2017 20:00:18 GMT -5
It wasn’t ignorance, I just didn’t care. You won a state title. Who cares if you won the league. I am sure that everyone in Galion cared if they won the League Title (or not) ! ! ! League Titles in football were not that frequent in Galion while the Tigers were in the NOL. Winning the State Championship (in '85) was just the cherry on top of the sundae ! ! ! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 20:06:07 GMT -5
I would think the celebrated accomplishment is the state title and the league title is the nice part.
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Post by gtab on Oct 6, 2017 20:32:18 GMT -5
I would think the celebrated accomplishment is the state title and the league title is the nice part. State Titles are great, but League Titles in the NOL (for Galion) were almost as rare. You cannot get to the playoffs (back then) without one. Winning the League was the "realistic" goal. I am sure that the Tigers were ecstatic just to have made the playoffs. Playoff candidates were NOT derived in the same manner back then. You had to have some "pull" to get into them, as you were "selected" for them based upon a different criteria than today. Apples/oranges, etc. (1985 + 32 years = 2017). I guess it's all in the way one looks at it (and/or experiences it).  |
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Post by GHS 1999 on Oct 6, 2017 21:17:06 GMT -5
Galion won NOL titles in 1944, 1957, 1958, 1978, 1985, 1986, 1989, 1997, and 2009. I know the '86, '89, and '97 ones were shared. Galion made the playoffs in '85, '86, '89, and '09 and 1985 is the only year Galion has won a playoff game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 21:24:02 GMT -5
So my guess would be since winning 9 NOL titles and the fact that they won 1 state title would be pretty meaningful. Not that the NOL titles weren't but, would you trade a state title for say 3-4 more NOL titles?
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 6, 2017 21:29:16 GMT -5
Galion won NOL titles in 1944, 1957, 1958, 1978, 1985, 1986, 1989, 1997, and 2009. I know the '86, '89, and '97 ones were shared. Galion made the playoffs in '85, '86, '89, and '09 and 1985 is the only year Galion has won a playoff game. 1944 was shared as well, with Bellevue, and it was because they didn't play each other for some reason during the NOL's first year. |
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 6, 2017 22:09:29 GMT -5
I would think the celebrated accomplishment is the state title and the league title is the nice part. State Titles are great, but League Titles in the NOL (for Galion) were almost as rare. You cannot get to the playoffs (back then) without one. Winning the League was the "realistic" goal. I am sure that the Tigers were ecstatic just to have made the playoffs. Playoff candidates were NOT derived in the same manner back then. You had to have some "pull" to get into them, as you were "selected" for them based upon a different criteria than today. Apples/oranges, etc. (1985 + 32 years = 2017). I guess it's all in the way one looks at it (and/or experiences it). Please explain the selection process "back then". |
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Post by blazer on Oct 6, 2017 22:24:50 GMT -5
Harbins have been the only criteria for selecting playoff teams. They did include 3rd level points, but I do not know when they stopped.
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 6, 2017 22:34:48 GMT -5
^^^
Final four that year was Steubenville, Cincinnati Green Hills, Galion and Mooney.
Mooney beat Stubber and Galion beat Green Hills in the semis.
Galion then beat Mooney 6-0.
Steubenville had finished 2nd in region 7, Green Hills 4th in 8, Galion 4th in 6 and Mooney 3rd in 5.
I wonder what the different criteria was that was alluded to by gtab.
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Post by blazer on Oct 6, 2017 22:55:38 GMT -5
^^^^Yea, he got some bad information somewhere.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Oct 7, 2017 0:13:12 GMT -5
Galion won NOL titles in 1944, 1957, 1958, 1978, 1985, 1986, 1989, 1997, and 2009. I know the '86, '89, and '97 ones were shared. Galion made the playoffs in '85, '86, '89, and '09 and 1985 is the only year Galion has won a playoff game. 1944 was shared as well, with Bellevue, and it was because they didn't play each other for some reason during the NOL's first year. Yep that sounds right. Galion belonged to both the North Central Ohio League as well as the NOL in 1944 which was probably why they didn't play Bellevue. They were I think co champs of the NCOL as well. |
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Post by galion on Oct 7, 2017 8:30:33 GMT -5
I have to say CF is pretty impressive. The game in 2 weeks between Pleasant and them should be quite entertaining.
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