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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 13:47:55 GMT -5
Surrender accepted. ( = tongue-in-cheek) Surrender??? L.O.L
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Post by bigox on Feb 25, 2018 16:07:08 GMT -5
Like what has been said at nausium when/if Upper ever gets good at football then the Crawford county schools will cry like they did when the NCC collapsed. Until then I doubt much changes. Basketball wise I see it a constant battle for the next two years between Upper and Crawford. Both schools have similar talent cores.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2018 17:23:05 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2018 17:31:00 GMT -5
Like what has been said at nausium when/if Upper ever gets good at football then the Crawford county schools will cry like they did when the NCC collapsed. Until then I doubt much changes. Basketball wise I see it a constant battle for the next two years between Upper and Crawford. Both schools have similar talent cores. "collapsed" would be the wrong verb. JMHO
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Post by bigox on Feb 25, 2018 20:37:07 GMT -5
Like what has been said at nausium when/if Upper ever gets good at football then the Crawford county schools will cry like they did when the NCC collapsed. Until then I doubt much changes. Basketball wise I see it a constant battle for the next two years between Upper and Crawford. Both schools have similar talent cores. "collapsed" would be the wrong verb. What verb would you use?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2018 21:30:05 GMT -5
Left....used in a sentence. Six NCC schools as a group in a single year, left four NCC schools behind.
When schools leave one at a time over a several year period and no new schools can be found. Leaving only 5 schools, that is more akin to the collapse of a league JMHO
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 9:07:50 GMT -5
"collapsed" would be the wrong verb. What verb would you use? Folded.
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Post by bigox on Feb 26, 2018 11:03:05 GMT -5
I remember the crux of all the shake up. When the schools got together to discuss expansion by adding Mowhak Carey and Seneca East. Two larger schools were called out for issues that needed changed going forward. It turned into a wiener match between the schools A.D.and things fell apart.Went from the possibility of a decent 12 team 2 division league to the smaller schools taking thier ball and saying see ya to the bigger three and Lucas. So I like collapsed, you remove part of whole caused by division creates things to collapse 😎😎
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 11:38:48 GMT -5
I remember the crux of all the shake up. When the schools got together to discuss expansion by adding Mowhak Carey and Seneca East. Two larger schools were called out for issues that needed changed going forward. It turned into a wiener match between the schools A.D.and things fell apart.Went from the possibility of a decent 12 team 2 division league to the smaller schools taking thier ball and saying see ya to the bigger three and Lucas. So I like collapsed, you remove part of whole caused by division creates things to collapse 😎😎 Collapse does seem appropriate in that case.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2018 18:15:32 GMT -5
I remember the crux of all the shake up. When the schools got together to discuss expansion by adding Mowhak Carey and Seneca East. Two larger schools were called out for issues that needed changed going forward. It turned into a wiener match between the schools A.D.and things fell apart.Went from the possibility of a decent 12 team 2 division league to the smaller schools taking thier ball and saying see ya to the bigger three and Lucas. So I like collapsed, you remove part of whole caused by division creates things to collapse 😎😎 You have a bad count, it would not have been a "decent TWELVE school 2 division league". Adding 3 would have made it 13, 10+3. I assume Ridgedale would have made it 14. Three "bigger" schools that no one wanted to play and 11 "smaller" schools. Remember this was before Riverdale and Crestline left. What were "the issues that were called out that had to change"? In the six years since the break up I have NEVER heard of "issues" of any kind, let along deal breakers. What did they want? Schools to shrink in size? Stop trying so hard to win games? I would REALLY like to know what these "issues" were so I can talk to coaches and ADs to make sure they no longer exist. Why be secretive about these "issues"? So PLEASE, tell us. The way I remember it, Galion, Upper, Ontario and Lucas were not involved in the recruiting of "Mohak[sic], Carey and Seneca East". Do you really think that adding those 3 schools would have solved anything? Do you really think that Mohawk, Carey or SE would have wanted to be a part of the NCC if Galion, Upper, Ontario and Lucas were in the NCC? Assuming Ridgedale, then the Divisions would have looked like this. Size at the time. Black Division(remember that?) - Ontario, Galion, Upper, Bucyrus, Wynford, CC, Riverdale.....Silver Division - BC, Carey, Mohawk, SE, Lucas, Crestline, Ridgedale. If you wanted to move schools around so it would have been N/S or E/W, it would not have mattered to the ones organizing the beginning of a new league OR to the 3 "smaller" schools being recruited. With those 3 "smaller" schools added +1 to the NCC it would have meant two "smaller" schools would have moved to the Black Division with the 3 schools that the leaders of the leavers wanted to get rid of. Never gonna happen. What was needed were more "bigger" schools, so "smaller" schools could move to the Silver Division. The 4 schools that were wanted to be gotten rid of, would have done anything to save the NCC, otherwise it meant they were without a league. LUCKILY, shortly thereafter, openings in the NOL and MOAC occurred. See, good things happen to those being picked on. JMHO
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 26, 2018 19:43:34 GMT -5
Blue Division(remember that?) Nope. Though I do remember a Black Division.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2018 20:06:12 GMT -5
I believe you're right, I'll correct. An "S" color for small was easier to remember. Blue "B" for Big sounded nicer at the moment than Black. JMHO
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Post by bigox on Feb 26, 2018 20:43:26 GMT -5
I remember the crux of all the shake up. When the schools got together to discuss expansion by adding Mowhak Carey and Seneca East. Two larger schools were called out for issues that needed changed going forward. It turned into a wiener match between the schools A.D.and things fell apart.Went from the possibility of a decent 12 team 2 division league to the smaller schools taking thier ball and saying see ya to the bigger three and Lucas. So I like collapsed, you remove part of whole caused by division creates things to collapse 😎😎 You have a bad count, it would not have been a "decent TWELVE school 2 division league". Adding 3 would have made it 13, 10+3. I assume Ridgedale would have made it 14. Three "bigger" schools that no one wanted to play and 11 "smaller" schools. Remember this was before Riverdale and Crestline left. What were "the issues that were called out that had to change". In the six years since the break up I have NEVER heard of "issues" of any kind let along deal breakers. What did they want? Schools to shrink in size? Stop trying so hard to win games? I would REALLY like to know what these "issues" were so I can talk to coaches and ADs to make sure they no longer exist. Why be secretive about these "issues"? So PLEASE, tell us. The way I remember it is that Galion, Upper, Ontario and Lucas were not involved in the recruiting of "Mohak[sic], Carey and Seneca East". Do you really think that adding those 3 schools would have solved anything? Do you really think that Mohawk, Carey or SE would have wanted to be a part of the NCC if Galion, Upper, Ontario and Lucas were in the NCC? Assuming Ridgedale, then the Divisions would have looked like this. Size at the time. Black Division(remember that?) - Ontario, Galion, Upper, Bucyrus, Wynford, CC, Riverdale.....Silver Division - BC, Carey, Mohawk, SE, Lucas, Crestline, Ridgedale. If you wanted to move schools around so it would have been N/S or E/W, it would not have mattered to the ones organizing the beginning of a new league OR to the 3 "smaller" schools being recruited. With those 3 "smaller" schools added +1 to the NCC it would have meant two "smaller" schools would have moved to the Black Division with the 3 schools that the leaders of the leavers wanted to get rid of. Never gonna happen. What was needed were more "bigger" schools, so "smaller" school could move to the Silver Division. The 4 schools that were wanted to be gotten rid of, would have done anything to save the NCC, otherwise it meant they were without a league. LUCKILY, shortly thereafter, openings in the NOL and MOAC occurred. See, good things happen to those being picked on. JMHO Willard my friend take off the Ontario colored glasses and relax. I agree they did get screwed. Since you are so versed in what happened in the league then you know of the first meeting in November 2011 after the football season between all NCC schools at which time the expansion of the current two division format was discussed and talks of adding Mohawk Carey and S.E. were on going. That is when the shitakie hit the fan. No secret just know it has been discussed before. Galion was called out for running up the score that year. Wiener fight insued ..... Big vs. Little. With upper in the corner cuz their ad hates conflict of any kind. Those small schools you so love to "" about didn't pick on the big schools they just backed up and punted and did not include the three larger schools going forward. Now my math is just fine Lucas was wanted out and that was known for some time. And in 2011 ridgedale was not in the mix yet. 12..... Carey and Mowhak were fine with playing the bigger schools. And add that S.e. was close to moving up a division based on their boys number. All mute points as after the first meeting in the fall it all fell apart. It could have been a nice thing. But.....
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2018 20:53:45 GMT -5
You will never sell me the line of BS about Wynford, CC, and Riverdale being just fine with playing in the Black Division by adding more small schools. Having to play Ontario, Upper and Galion was the reason the break up talk started. You know the solution was adding bigger schools, not smaller schools. Smaller schools were recruited to end the NCC. I understand it would be easy for the those who left to kick out Lucas. Most schools don't do that sort of thing. Can you name other leagues that have kicked out a school after they took then in with open arms just a few years prior The reason you say Lucas was wanted out was that they were too far to the east. Doesn't look good for you to say that without checking data first. Riverdale who was one of the 6 that left is 45 miles from CC, Lucas is only 28. I don't wear glasses and think the phrase is rather juvenile. You must were glasses that the blind wear. I know for a fact how it was handled, because I heard with my ears, when the NCC commissioner admitted that Galion, Upper, Ontario and Lucas were not invited to the meetings when SE, Mohawk and Carey were being recruited to join the 6 schools leaving the NCC. AND it wasn't just me that heard the man say that, 100's if not a 1000 others heard him say it. JMHO
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Post by bigox on Feb 26, 2018 21:12:49 GMT -5
I don't wear glasses. You must were glasses that the blind wear. I know for a fact how it was handled, because I heard with my ears, when the NCC commissioner admitted that Galion, Upper, Ontario and Lucas were not invited to the meetings when SE, Mohawk and Carey were being recruited to join the 6 schools leaving the NCC. AND it wasn't just me that heard the man say that, 100's if not a 1000 others heard him say it. JMHO Yes your one fact is correct in how it went after November 2011and especially december 1st on.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2018 21:17:43 GMT -5
OH, BTW, I've seen Wynford "run it up" many times.
What would the excuse have been a year later when a "running clock" was instituted?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 8:48:29 GMT -5
I don't wear glasses. You must were glasses that the blind wear. I know for a fact how it was handled, because I heard with my ears, when the NCC commissioner admitted that Galion, Upper, Ontario and Lucas were not invited to the meetings when SE, Mohawk and Carey were being recruited to join the 6 schools leaving the NCC. AND it wasn't just me that heard the man say that, 100's if not a 1000 others heard him say it. JMHO Yes your one fact is correct in how it went after November 2011and especially december 1st on. History shows he will take that 1 fact, that someone wanted him to hear, into the the only one that matters. IT is never the happenings behind the scenes that do not get announced on the radio that are the real cause for league collapse.
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Post by galion on Feb 27, 2018 9:57:13 GMT -5
The facts are that when the NOL didn't immediately collapse then Shelby and Willard were no longer an option for NCC expansion as was the original hope. At this point the small schools spearheaded by CC and BC, then joined by Wynford, started looking for a way out(SE, Carey, and Mohawk) as it was never the intention of any smaller school NCC member to remain in a division with Galion, Upper, and Ontario(no, not even Wynford). Unfortunately, for revisionist historians, there is an e mail trail to back that up. I don't blame them for wanting out of that situation. But now blaming the large schools for something that clearly was not their fault is factually inaccurate and quite frankly more than a little dishonest.
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Post by bigox on Feb 27, 2018 10:58:36 GMT -5
Nothing dishonest about what I said. Those are accurate statements there was a meeting of ADs and administrators. There was an argument/ wiener match and the notion of anything going forward was squashed. Add in all the things building up to and after that and as I stated the collapse of the league. Now the ones left out have THEIR version of the truth just as the ones that moved on. I personally think that the larger schools got the raw end of the deal. But in the long run thing worked out ok.. Moving forward those Crawford county schools may be in a precarious situation in the not so distant future and the wiener match may come back to bite them. As willy nilly says JMHO....😎😎
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Post by Hagen on Feb 27, 2018 11:58:00 GMT -5
... It turned into a wiener match ... 😎😎 ... Wiener fight insued ... Big vs. Little... ... There was a ... wiener match ... the wiener match may come back to bite them ... 😎😎 This is clearly not a family message board anymore.
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Post by bigox on Feb 27, 2018 12:25:13 GMT -5
... It turned into a wiener match ... 😎😎 ... Wiener fight insued ... Big vs. Little... ... There was a ... wiener match ... the wiener match may come back to bite them ... 😎😎 This is clearly not a family message board anymore. Lol. Sorry what I want to say is even more inappropriate ha! Maybe I should go all Spaceballs.... "Your Swartz is longer than mine Dark Helmet." Trying to get around it without swearing.😎😎
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 27, 2018 19:04:13 GMT -5
Nothing dishonest about what I said. Those are accurate statements there was a meeting of ADs and administrators. There was an argument/ wiener match and the notion of anything going forward was squashed. Add in all the things building up to and after that and as I stated the collapse of the league. Now the ones left out have THEIR version of the truth just as the ones that moved on. I personally think that the larger schools got the raw end of the deal. But in the long run thing worked out ok.. Moving forward those Crawford county schools may be in a precarious situation in the not so distant future and the wiener match may come back to bite them. As willy nilly says JMHO....😎😎 SO, we know you were being dishonest about the reason to get rid of Lucas, they were closer to the middle of the NCC than Riverdale. ALTHOUGH, not after the addition of Carey, Mohawk and SE. All you got after that is one or more schools were not happy, after the FIRST football season, that Galion, in their mind, "ran up the score". THAT is the KING of "weiner" excuses that I have ever heard. JMHO
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Post by portwalk on Feb 27, 2018 20:08:25 GMT -5
SMCC pounded BC by 20 plus the N10 is SO bad
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Post by Hagen on Feb 28, 2018 8:13:53 GMT -5
SMCC pounded BC by 20 plus the N10 is SO bad And Buckeye Central lost to C.Crawford (who SMCC plays next) by 2 points on Feb. 17, therefore SMCC should crush CC. Anything less than that would be an upset by the N10. If I'm not mistaken, it's the SBC River runner-up vs. the N10 runner-up.
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Post by bigox on Feb 28, 2018 9:17:24 GMT -5
Nothing dishonest about what I said. Those are accurate statements there was a meeting of ADs and administrators. There was an argument/ wiener match and the notion of anything going forward was squashed. Add in all the things building up to and after that and as I stated the collapse of the league. Now the ones left out have THEIR version of the truth just as the ones that moved on. I personally think that the larger schools got the raw end of the deal. But in the long run thing worked out ok.. Moving forward those Crawford county schools may be in a precarious situation in the not so distant future and the wiener match may come back to bite them. As willy nilly says JMHO....😎😎 SO, we know you were being dishonest about the reason to get rid of Lucas, they were closer to the middle of the NCC than Riverdale. ALTHOUGH, not after the addition of Carey, Mohawk and SE. All you got after that is one or more schools were not happy, after the FIRST football season, that Galion, in their mind, "ran up the score". THAT is the KING of "weiner" excuses that I have ever heard. JMHO Where in anything I have said do you get the crap your spewing out about Lucas? My only statement was that they were wanted out and it was known. Your addlib to that is your own creation.. you crap on people for not reading posts. I also said nothing about C.C or Buckeye Central playing the big boys you added that. I did say that Mohawk and Carey all would have been fine with the larger schools and that in 2011 S.E. boys numbers were up as they were. Come on man calling me dishonest for something you said... seriously.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 28, 2018 9:52:59 GMT -5
Bigox, Are you going to play the part that John Candy play and would Willard play the part that Mel Brooks play. I remember the movie but not the characters names.
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Post by bigox on Feb 28, 2018 10:35:33 GMT -5
  Bigox, Are you going to play the part that John Candy play and would Willard play the part that Mel Brooks play. I remember the movie but not the characters names.  I know this is going to catch the eire of Willard but I hope he can take a joke. But totally picture him as the Rick Moranis( Dark Helmet) bwahhahhaa!!!😎😎
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Post by Hagen on Feb 28, 2018 10:48:57 GMT -5
I know this is going to catch the eire of Willard but I hope he can take a joke. But totally picture him as the Rick Moranis( Dark Helmet) bwahhahhaa!!!😎😎
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 28, 2018 23:26:14 GMT -5
bigox \/...\/ Now my math is just fine Lucas was wanted out and that was known for some time. And in 2011 ridgedale was not in the mix yet. 12..... Carey and Mowhak were fine with playing the bigger schools. And add that S.e. was close to moving up a division based on their boys number. All mute points as after the first meeting in the fall it all fell apart. It could have been a nice thing. But..... bigox, Above is what you said about Lucas. QUOTE: "Lucas was wanted out and that was known for some time." WHO wanted Lucas out? WHY was Lucas wanted out? "Some time" MUST mean before Upper and Galion were unanimously voted into the NCC. Was Lucas wanted out because they were great in basketball and football? What sports WERE they good at?? Did they run up the score? Did their AD also hurt the feelings of a certain AD? Riverdale is 45 miles from CC, Lucas is 28 miles from CC. SO, when in the past it was said they were too far East, it was another falsehood. NOW...I can see why Carey, Mohawk and SE would want them out.....But you're telling us they weren't a part of the original discussion. You have some explaining to do.
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Post by bigboy97 on Mar 1, 2018 8:28:04 GMT -5
SMCC pounded BC by 20 plus the N10 is SO bad Seneca East gets beat by Calvert also, Dont know that the N10 is bad but these are a little surprising. The top teams still have yet to play so we shall see
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