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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 17, 2017 19:33:25 GMT -5
There has been a lot of stories online today about the possibility of MLB expanding and realigning. Of the articles I've seen, here's the one with the most detailed breakdown of one of the proposals: www.baseballamerica.com/columnists/expansion-trigger-realignment-longer-postseason/#UIKGyqAoOAkUvs4W.97Basic summary of expansion and realignment scenario from this article: - Montreal and Portland added as expansion cities - No more AL & NL, instead there would be four divisions with 8 teams each, divided up based on geography - 156 game season (12 games against division opponents, 3 games against each of the other 24 teams) - 12 playoff teams (4 division winners get byes to division series, 8 wild card teams play elimination games to advance to division series) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 19:47:22 GMT -5
Not a fan of the divisions and no American/National League. Also no mention of a DH
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 18, 2017 10:12:58 GMT -5
I think we saw how things worked out with the Expos. No thank you to that idea.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 18, 2017 13:59:08 GMT -5
the abundance of top-end talent in the higher minor leagues shows that MLB definitely has the player-pool to expand
all-in on a new team in Montreal but only if it's the Tribe haha
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 18, 2017 16:14:04 GMT -5
Not a fan of the divisions and no American/National League. Also no mention of a DH I remember at one time there was a strong sentiment to eliminate the DH, with those leaning towards National League were pushing it hot and heavy, claiming they play the game the way it's supposed to be played. The past 10 years it has swung the other way, with a lot of talk of implementing the DH in the National League. Hate to see a pitcher that is in the groove and humming along, to be pulled for a pinch hitter. The arguments for the DH far outweigh those against, in my opinion. I'm not plunking down my $50 bucks for the days baseball expenses to watch some pitcher going through the motions at the plate, knowing what's going through his head...."I was hired to throw the stinkin ball over the plate, not for my batting abilities". A lot of great players had their legs & foot speed go out on 'em years ago, but still retain that great eye and bat swing. Pick any year and compare batting averages of the American League vs. National League, we know which one consistently, year after year, has a marked advantage of bat production. Destroying the tradition and rivalry of the two leagues would be a huge mistake. American and National League alignments is simply what American baseball has been all about and should always be. |
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 18, 2017 16:30:57 GMT -5
that tradition has already been destroyed with inter-league play
i do kinda miss the days tho when the ASG and the WS were the only times NL met AL, but it's already worthless...people want balanced schedules
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 18, 2017 19:03:15 GMT -5
that tradition has already been destroyed with inter-league play i do kinda miss the days tho when the ASG and the WS were the only times NL met AL, but it's already worthless...people want balanced schedules That is so true. A lot of the mystique has been erased. When a team won the pennant, they were then elevated to the designated representative and defender of their league and all it's teams and players, pride and bragging rights. Why would anyone want to take all that away? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 4:59:40 GMT -5
Portland is not a big enough market to support a team, and have another just up the road on I-5. There's no logical place for a stadium in Portland, unless it's way out of town. Scrap the Portland idea. Moving Tampa Bay Devil Rays to Montreal, should be the only idea that clown for a commissioner should be thinking of, before he looks anymore foolish.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 19, 2017 7:46:58 GMT -5
Portland is not a big enough market to support a team, and have another just up the road on I-5. There's no logical place for a stadium in Portland, unless it's way out of town. Scrap the Portland idea. Moving Tampa Bay Devil Rays to Montreal, should be the only idea that clown for a commissioner should be thinking of, before he looks anymore foolish. Owners of the Ray's are lobbying St. Petersburg & Tampa officials for a new stadium on the waterfront. What they are proposing doesn't make any sense, an open air, outdoor park where afternoon games would be assuredly in the 90's. If they don't get what they want, they threaten to move the franchise. Personally, I love Tropicana field, it's still a beautiful facility inside and out. The only drawback is the occasional ball hitting a catwalk or outfielders losing sight of a ball now and then, against the white background of the canopy. |
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 19, 2017 10:32:36 GMT -5
i'd move the Rockies if i were in charge, i think it's been proven that baseball just does not work there
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 19, 2017 12:23:46 GMT -5
i'd move the Rockies if i were in charge, i think it's been proven that baseball just does not work there It sure appears that way, but the possibility also exists that the local management team is underachieving in promoting their product. Even in large market areas, it still takes a great deal of clever promotion and innovation to get butts in seats. |
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 19, 2017 13:21:24 GMT -5
i mean the physical environment not the management team
i think the Rockies front office does a good job, they have a lot of talent on the roster and some really good arms in their minor league system...it's the Mile High environment, it's effects on the ball and the players themselves, that leads me to conclude that baseball there just doesn't work
i'm not sure what their attendance is in relation to their peers, i would expect it is at least ok, that's a great sports market...it's just the altitude does too many wonkey things to the ball, and the players themselves, especially when they go on long road trips, there was a great article on FanGraphs earlier this season about the subject that was pretty eye opening
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 19, 2017 14:05:45 GMT -5
I understand and agree with what you're saying.
Baseball is a funny game and has great appeal in some locations, but for some reason it is met with tepid interest in other locales.
The Rockies have given every reason for fans to be enthusiastic and totally supportive.
I think they've been in existence something like 25 years and have made the post season playoffs 5 or 6 times. I do remember them making the World Series in 2007.
But, you have to look before the Rockies franchise arrived, Denver really struggled to maintain a minor league baseball presence.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 19, 2017 15:54:25 GMT -5
For more than 25 years I've thought there should be a realignment based on geography. It is crazy that both Chicago teams don't play each other 12 times a year. Why in the heck aren't both Ohio teams in the same Division? The Yankees and the Mets? Like Rangers and Houston? ALL California teams should be in the same Division. I could go on and on. Eventually HUGE rivalries, increased attendance and lower travel costs.
If I had to invest in a new franchise, I'd want it in the North Caroline Triangle. The fastest growing area in the country, a lot of high paying jobs in the tech industry universities and state government. A very favorable climate.
If such a realignment occurs then the DH is either gone or all teams must use the DH. If the player's union will have any say, they would be in favor of the DH.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 8:58:15 GMT -5
The Rangers and Astros are in the same division jackass
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 20, 2017 9:12:02 GMT -5
I always liked that CIN and CLE were in different leagues, that way they could (possibly) meet in the WS. But realignment wouldn't bother me at all. It'd be kinda neat in some ways if CIN and CLE were in the same division.
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 20, 2017 9:16:27 GMT -5
I was going to say Houston's move to the AL has them with the Rangers in the AL West.
3 of the 5 California teams are in the same Division, and the other 2 being the same. What more do you want?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 20, 2017 15:56:09 GMT -5
It's not about "more". THIS is what I "want". Cleveland, Cincy, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Cubs, White Sox, Milwaukee and Toronto. The Great Lakes Division. If Montreal is really going to be an expansion team AGAIN and the 2 Canadian teams must be in the same Division, then Milwaukee will have to go Westward. But I think Montreal should be with the East Coast teams.
The other 2 can't "being the same", if they aren't with the the other 3. Make a Left Coast Division - Dodgers, Angels, Padres, SanFran, Oakland, Seattle, Portland if they get a new franchise and Phoenix.
You should be able to figure out the other 2 Jake.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 21, 2017 7:10:21 GMT -5
Fillmore YOU FORGOT MEXICO CITY.
Racist sob!
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Post by backgammon on Dec 23, 2017 12:31:01 GMT -5
I understand and agree with what you're saying. Baseball is a funny game and has great appeal in some locations, but for some reason it is met with tepid interest in other locales. The Rockies have given every reason for fans to be enthusiastic and totally supportive. I think they've been in existence something like 25 years and have made the post season playoffs 5 or 6 times. I do remember them making the World Series in 2007. But, you have to look before the Rockies franchise arrived, Denver really struggled to maintain a minor league baseball presence.How did a city that had a minor league franchise from 1955 (when the K.C. Blues moved there, after being forced to move when the Philadelphia A's moved to K.C.) until 1992 (when they left for New Orleans, after the expansion of the MLB Rockies made this move necessary), "struggle to maintain a presence?" By definition, they hastened their own demise as a minor league town by virtue of their successes (which led to their becoming a MAJOR LEAGUE town). |
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Post by CEOSouth on Dec 23, 2017 15:58:44 GMT -5
Speaking of expansion and the like.
I always thought it’d be cool to align divisions by cities throughout MLB, NBA, NFL. I know the cities are not all the same but itd be cool to say something like:
AFC North
Cleveland(Browns, Cavs, Indians)
Detroit(lions, Pistons, Tigers)
Cincinnati(Bengals, ?, Reds)
Pittsburgh(Steelers, ?, Pirates)
Baltimore(Ravens, ?, Orioles)
You can already see one of the issues there.
Also be cool to force each city to have a color scheme, like, Browns, Cavs and Indians are all Red, Blue and Gold. Pittsburgh is kind of like that as it is, with the black and yellow
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Post by DrTorch on Jan 25, 2018 14:24:07 GMT -5
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jan 25, 2018 18:33:00 GMT -5
An interesting read. But mlb needs to sort out that mess in Oakland before expanding imo.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 25, 2018 22:49:22 GMT -5
An interesting read. But mlb needs to sort out that mess in Oakland before expanding imo. ghs, Not only in Oakland but I think Tampa Bay should be included on that. The article was right about them on attendance. Even when they are having a season that is unexplainable they have a lot of empty seats.  |
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jan 26, 2018 18:55:15 GMT -5
Excellent point. I kind of forget about the Rays a lot like most everyone else. It’s tough for any team in Florida since most residents would rather support the team back wherever they came from. The stadium situation in St. Pete at least isn’t deplorable like the one in Oakland is.
I personally would be in favor of Montreal and Portland getting teams but would rather see mlb look to relocate someone there rather than expand further imo.
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Post by sithbucknut77 on Jan 26, 2018 22:37:54 GMT -5
The only franchises that should seriously be considered for relocation are the Rays & Marlins. And quite frankly I don't how anyone wants to be a Marlins fan with the way that franchise has been run by multiple owners! There are players and $$ to be made with expansion as long as it happens in the right markets. The Fangraphs article Torch shared does a good job explaining various metrics involved with making future teams successful.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 27, 2018 3:21:40 GMT -5
Excellent point. I kind of forget about the Rays a lot like most everyone else. It’s tough for any team in Florida since most residents would rather support the team back wherever they came from. The stadium situation in St. Pete at least isn’t deplorable like the one in Oakland is. I personally would be in favor of Montreal and Portland getting teams but would rather see mlb look to relocate someone there rather than expand further imo. GHS, I also would like to see Montreal get a team back but I think maybe they should play at a smaller stadium than the one like the Olympian Stadium. That was to big for baseball because it was build for the Olympics like Cleveland's Municipal Stadium was. The other city that I would like to see get it is San Antonia. West Texas area will be great for a team because all the have is the Spurs in the NBA. They have no pro team to the west of them at all till they get to Phoenix, and Dallas is maybe 4 or 5 hours away to the east of them. What do you think. |
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jan 27, 2018 10:17:48 GMT -5
Agree. San Antonio would be a good place for mlb as well.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 27, 2018 13:56:38 GMT -5
Another area that might be good is the Carolina's but the only thing that I see that it might not work is that the SEC and ACC have great baseball programs and the crowds they get, wellldoggie, they sure love their college baseball and it seems that they always are filling those stadiums.  |
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