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Post by ohs2017 on Oct 31, 2017 19:25:18 GMT -5
So who could possibly be the new coach at a failing Ontario football program. The announcement will probably come next week after the election!
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Post by galion on Oct 31, 2017 20:22:31 GMT -5
After what they paid him to get him there there is absolutely no chance they get rid of him after 2 seasons. I guess we'll just have to wait for our resident defender of all things Hawkins and Ontario, WF, to come come on here and set the record straight.
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Post by gtigers on Oct 31, 2017 20:53:07 GMT -5
I heard he is resigning.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 20:53:43 GMT -5
How dare you post such an obscene topic insulting the glorious institution, their football mentor and tutor to young men.  |
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Post by galion on Oct 31, 2017 22:26:39 GMT -5
Resigning? What? That can't be. Hawkins is all about loyalty and commitment and integrity.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 6:36:43 GMT -5
Must be true.
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Post by galion on Nov 1, 2017 6:43:52 GMT -5
Ontario must be paying him pretty well. I would think he'd need to keep the football gig to help pay for the lawyers.
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Post by mrsteel on Nov 1, 2017 12:52:09 GMT -5
I heard the Kids didn't like his assistants and it reflected down to him.
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Post by galion on Nov 1, 2017 13:37:54 GMT -5
I highly doubt that. If that's truly the case, he must be a changed man then. I assured you that he didn't give two craps about anyone else's opinions about him or the decisions he made while he was here. I can't imagine him losing a minutes sleep over whether or not the kids liked his assistants.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 14:07:08 GMT -5
Maybe it wasn't 100% his decision.
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Post by galion on Nov 1, 2017 14:15:41 GMT -5
They invested a whole lot of money to get that guy there in both him and their facilities. There is no chance that he is getting forced out after only 2 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 14:26:39 GMT -5
They invested a whole lot of money to get that guy there in both him and their facilities. There is no chance that he is getting forced out after only 2 seasons. And he came into the building his brother in-law runs. Not the case now. Curiously, when he went to Ontario a teacher told me there were no job openings but he was promised one and given a position until it opened up. What job does he currently hold? |
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Post by galion on Nov 1, 2017 14:31:02 GMT -5
You'd have to ask Willard or someone from Ontario. I've heard 2 different things and have no idea which is true.
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Post by galion on Nov 1, 2017 14:41:58 GMT -5
On a side note, Willard you can apologize to me any time now for all of the mean and hurtful things that you said about me and to me a few weeks back and admit that I was right. I'll even accept a PM if you are too embarrassed to do it in a public forum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 14:54:51 GMT -5
crickets......  |
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Post by galion on Nov 1, 2017 15:23:16 GMT -5
He's probably busy deleting all of his posts so he can call me a liar.
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Post by wallpass on Nov 2, 2017 10:12:00 GMT -5
www.northcentralohio.com/sports/single.asp?story=74180 ONTARIO, OH- After only two seasons at Ontario, head football coach Chris Hawkins has resigned his position for personal reasons. Hawkins is his two seasons went 4-6 in 2016 and 2-8 this season. Prior to that Hawkins coached at his alma mater Wynford where he compiled a record of 41-10 coaching five years. From there he moved on to Willard for five seasons coaching the Flashes to a record of 41-25. In 2007, he took over at Galion where he went 53-31, taking the Tigers to the playoffs five times. The 21-year head coach came to Ontario with an overall record of 143-69, with one 10-0 season at Galion in 2009. This past year's squad suffered a number of injuries including the loss of starting quarterback Cam Todd to a season-ending injury at about the midpoint of the season. The search for a new head coach at Ontario is already underway.
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Post by usa70pp on Nov 2, 2017 10:50:45 GMT -5
Maybe they should try to get a real Ontario guy as the next coach, like across the river from Detroit in Windsor.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2017 20:45:12 GMT -5
Instead of guessing, postulating for the hell of it, or immediately jump to a conclusion. I've done due diligence, but still can't 100 guarantee what "personal reasons" is. As has been put forward by others. Hawkins would not let players dislike of an assistant be a "personal reason" to resign. Coaches don't resign due to wuss players, they weed them out. The most injuries seen in a career wouldn't be a "personal reason". If all the "personal reasons" I've heard, one stands out more than the others.
There's a multi-multi millionaire and his crew, too close to the football program. Over a $1 million has been given to the schools. The Superintendent says, "If we need something, all I have to do is ask." The first change to Ontario football came this August. Over 25 years ago the Ontario football COMPLEX was named after the first football coach at Ontario. The coach who has won BY FAR more games than any other coach in history at Ontario. The football complex was dedicated "Copeland Field", the year after he retired from teaching. He wouldn't allow it to be done sooner. NOW it's called "Copeland field at "Xxxx" Stadium. A player on the team made a habit of punching teammates in practice. Was twice caught punching opponent players in games. No punishment was handed down to this player, guess why.
I'm pretty certain that most all head coaches wouldn't stick around if the team wasn't HIS team.
Again, I can't get 100% proof. I still have never spoken to the man. If anyone DOES have 100% proof of the "personal reasons", I'll listen. Rumors are not worthy and will be ignored.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2017 20:49:53 GMT -5
crickets...... How would you know? You're too much of a chicken shat to read all posts. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2017 20:59:01 GMT -5
On a side note, Willard you can apologize to me any time now for all of the mean and hurtful things that you said about me and to me a few weeks back and admit that I was right. I'll even accept a PM if you are too embarrassed to do it in a public forum. You are not owned anything. I speak as spoken to FIRST. I don't recall you saying anything about Hawkins not having control of his program. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2017 21:02:54 GMT -5
They invested a whole lot of money to get that guy there in both him and their facilities. There is no chance that he is getting forced out after only 2 seasons. And he came into the building his brother in-law runs. Not the case now. Curiously, when he went to Ontario a teacher told me there were no job openings but he was promised one and given a position until it opened up. What job does he currently hold? Two untruths in this posts. |
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Post by galion on Nov 2, 2017 21:15:32 GMT -5
Instead of guessing, postulating for the hell of it, or immediately jump to a conclusion. I've done due diligence, but still can't 100 guarantee what "personal reasons" is. As has been put forward by others. Hawkins would not let players dislike of an assistant be a "personal reason" to resign. Coaches don't resign due to wuss players, they weed them out. The most injuries seen in a career wouldn't be a "personal reason". If all the "personal reasons" I've heard, one stands out more than the others. There's a multi-multi millionaire and his crew, too close to the football program. Over a $1 million has been given to the schools. The Superintendent says, "If we need something, all I have to do is ask." The first change to Ontario football came this August. Over 25 years ago the Ontario football COMPLEX was named after the first football coach at Ontario. The coach who has won BY FAR more games than any other coach in history at Ontario. The football complex was dedicated "Copeland Field", the year after he retired from teaching. He wouldn't allow it to be done sooner. NOW it's called "Copeland field at "Xxxx" Stadium. A player on the team made a habit of punching teammates in practice. Was twice caught punching opponent players in games. No punishment was handed down to this player, guess why. I'm pretty certain that most all head coaches wouldn't stick around if the team wasn't HIS team. First, thank you for your input. Seriously, that was truly enlightening. I can see why you jumped to the conclusion that you did, but there is a flaw in your logic. Hawkins doesn't treat players equally. If he considers you special then for all intents and purposes the rules don't apply to you as they do for others. We had some "special" players here who literally dictated what position they'd play and what side of the ball they'd play on. Heck, I know of a couple who were allowed to skip practicing altogether for weeks on end and just suit up for games. It's almost shocking that we couldn't win any playoff games while he was here. Clearly, if that kid's father is donating the stuff that Hawkins wants then he would find his way onto the special list as well. Most likely his "personal reasons" had more to do with the talent in the system. In Galion he didn't have to compete with basketball for the best athletes, at least not to the extent that he does in Ontario. And he certainly didn't have a well established soccer program to contend with. Even more to the point, the coaches of neither of those teams at Ontario are going to feel the least bit of intimidation or pressure from him to share and neither are the kids involved in those programs. He's most likely a victim of the grass is not always greener and there is no quick fix to his problems here like there was in Galion with a good group of athletes coming up and a move to a small school conference imminent. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2017 21:43:02 GMT -5
Instead of guessing, postulating for the hell of it, or immediately jump to a conclusion. I've done due diligence, but still can't 100 guarantee what "personal reasons" is. As has been put forward by others. Hawkins would not let players dislike of an assistant be a "personal reason" to resign. Coaches don't resign due to wuss players, they weed them out. The most injuries seen in a career wouldn't be a "personal reason". If all the "personal reasons" I've heard, one stands out more than the others. There's a multi-multi millionaire and his crew, too close to the football program. Over a $1 million has been given to the schools. The Superintendent says, "If we need something, all I have to do is ask." The first change to Ontario football came this August. Over 25 years ago the Ontario football COMPLEX was named after the first football coach at Ontario. The coach who has won BY FAR more games than any other coach in history at Ontario. The football complex was dedicated "Copeland Field", the year after he retired from teaching. He wouldn't allow it to be done sooner. NOW it's called "Copeland field at "Xxxx" Stadium. A player on the team made a habit of punching teammates in practice. Was twice caught punching opponent players in games. No punishment was handed down to this player, guess why. I'm pretty certain that most all head coaches wouldn't stick around if the team wasn't HIS team. First, thank you for your input. Seriously, that was truly enlightening. I can see why you jumped to the conclusion that you did, but there is a flaw in your logic. Hawkins doesn't treat players equally. If he considers you special then for all intents and purposes the rules don't apply to you as they do for others. We had some "special" players here who literally dictated what position they'd play and what side of the ball they'd play on. Heck, I know of a couple who were allowed to skip practicing altogether for weeks on end and just suit up for games. It's almost shocking that we couldn't win any playoff games while he was here. Clearly, if that kid's father is donating the stuff that Hawkins wants then he would find his way onto the special list as well. Most likely his "personal reasons" had more to do with the talent in the system. In Galion he didn't have to compete with basketball for the best athletes, at least not to the extent that he does in Ontario. And he certainly didn't have a well established soccer program to contend with. Even more to the point, the coaches of neither of those teams at Ontario are going to feel the least bit of intimidation or pressure from him to share and neither are the kids involved in those programs. He's most likely a victim of the grass is not always greener and there is no quick fix to his problems here like there was in Galion with a good group of athletes coming up and a move to a small school conference imminent. Read again, slowly with purpose. I did not "jump to a conclusion" Most "stuff" was donated before Hawkins. I'm not aware of anything Hawkins "wanted", that wasn't already there. Hawkins got the 2 best athletes on last year's basketball team to play football for the first time since they were in 8th grade. This year he got 3 basketball "athletes" out for football for the first time. There is only one soccer player that would make a difference on the football team, IF he was tough enough and his mommy would let him play football. If you ever watched a soccer game you would know that there are never 240-300# soccer players. Ontario's very good QB that broke his ankle at the mid-point of the season was on the varsity basketball team last year as a Freshman. I'm sure Hawkins didn't need any 5-6 140 DBs or WRs. I've been told that THE STAR, THE STUD on both sides of the ball in Galion's "Biddy" football program the past 2 years lives in Ontario. He was the biggest, fastest, toughest kid they'd seen in many years. Due to that, the parents of Galion kids would no longer allow him to play in their program. His father was a 6-2 195 big time multi sport athlete. "No talent in the system"? Talent wise why wouldn't Hawkins want to coach this team next year?? Only 5 Seniors made significant contributions this year. With 12 starters lost to injuries, many of them underclassmen, a lot of young players got playing time. Ontario's talented Soph QB only finished TWO MOAC league games, before breaking his ankle. Yet he was voted 2nd Team All-League. Unheard of!! At the time he had 13 TDs and only 3 INTs. Before the avalanche of injures Ontario lost 4 games to Highland, Harding, NU and BV by a total of 20 points. For you that's an average of 5 ppg , they led in the 4th quarter in all 4 games. The program has lost so often for so many years at all levels, they didn't know how to win close games. IMO, if the injures would have been minimal, they could have "competed" with all MOAC teams expect for Clear Fork and Pleasant. "No talent in the system"?? Still a lot of young kids open enrolling from Mansfield. "No tlent in the system"?? ? You need to do some research before speaking of what you do not know. You've got a PM. |
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Post by galion on Nov 2, 2017 22:52:35 GMT -5
You're right, you're not going to find more linemen on the soccer team. But you can surely find some more skill position players, special teams players, and lb/db types. I'm not sure what the Galion youth football program has to do with any of this. There are more players there from other school districts than there are from Galion's. I assure you that if the kid was not allowed into the program it had to do with something other than him being from Ontario. Money from Ontario spends the same as money from anywhere else.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2017 23:28:00 GMT -5
You're right, you're not going to find more linemen on the soccer team. But you can surely find some more skill position players, special teams players, and lb/db types. I'm not sure what the Galion youth football program has to do with any of this. There are more players there from other school districts than there are from Galion's. I assure you that if the kid was not allowed into the program it had to do with something other than him being from Ontario. Money from Ontario spends the same as money from anywhere else. You are wrong. I watch Ontario soccer. I have a relative that plays soccer. I know soccer players. I know soccer parents. READ.....AS I SAID BEFORE. There is only one soccer player that could help the football team. IF he was tough enough. IF his mommy would let him play football. You are WRONG. Most all of the good soccer players are short and light of weight. They don't want to hit or be hit. Their parents don't want them to hit or be hit. If there was no soccer team, the vast majority would not be playing football. The ones that did would not be big contributors. READ AGAIN. As I've said before I have several relatives that graduated from Galion. All-League and All-Ohio athletes at Galion. Teach at Galion. Coached at Galion. Work in Galion. Still live in Galion. Relatives at Galion told me about this kid from Ontario. Told me parents of kids at Galion no longer wanted him in their league due to him being BY FAR, the MOST dominate kid in the "biddy" program. Speaking against your point of "no talent in the system". AS the several other points to disprove your "no talent in the system". I said NOTHING about money spending. READ AGAIN. READ AGAIN. READ AGAIN. |
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Post by galion on Nov 3, 2017 0:22:30 GMT -5
One kid = talent in the system? So far as your soccer theory goes, you are wrong. True if you took them off of the soccer field today many would lack the muscle mass and explosiveness to contribute right away on the football field. But if they never started playing soccer in the first place and trained for football instead of soccer that would not be the case.
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Post by malabar10 on Nov 3, 2017 10:11:57 GMT -5
Soooo, who's the next coach for the Warriors?? On staff? Hire from outside?
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Post by fbfan on Nov 3, 2017 15:27:56 GMT -5
Again, I can't get 100% proof. I still have never spoken to the man. If anyone DOES have 100% proof of the "personal reasons", I'll listen. Rumors are not worthy and will be ignored. Apparently swankonsports.com spoke to the man and this is what they reported. Hawkins said what his personal reasons were. Don't know if that's 100% enough for you though. BREAKING NEWS: Ontario football coach Chris Hawkins announced his resignation on Monday night. The Warriors were 2-8 this year. Hawkins was 6-14 over two years. He told Swankonsports.com, “I have stepped down as football coach for personal reasons. I think the time is right to step away and do it as soon as possible in the best interest of the program. I want to focus on teaching and I have wanted for the last several years to go back and finish my college graduate administrative classes, but could never do it while coaching. I am proud of the effort our kids put forth this year in spite of the unbelievable number of injuries we sustained.” |
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Post by galion on Nov 3, 2017 15:49:22 GMT -5
Then why take the Ontario job in the first place? It makes no sense. He could have stepped down from the Galion job 2 years ago, kept his teaching job in Willard, and done this.
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