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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 12:33:34 GMT -5
This will be one of the biggest decisions in Urban's career at Ohio State. Of course if JT is really hurt then it won't be. If healthy, I think he starts JT since he likes to run more than pass. I think Urban will try and give the Buckeyes the best chance to win no matter who he picks. I also hope he's flexible if things aren't working. If he doesn't, then the Buckeye fans will turn on him just like many have turned on JT. Just win baby! I don't think Buckeye fans have turned on JT, but what they have seen when the backup is in the game is the talent of all the great athletes on the roster. Why must you be untruthful?? The "fans" have seen the backup in 1/3 of ONE game. JT has thrown passes to all of the great athletes on the roster. All SIXTEEN of them!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 12:49:36 GMT -5
This will be one of the biggest decisions in Urban's career at Ohio State. Of course if JT is really hurt then it won't be. If healthy, I think he starts JT since he likes to run more than pass. I think Urban will try and give the Buckeyes the best chance to win no matter who he picks. I also hope he's flexible if things aren't working. If he doesn't, then the Buckeye fans will turn on him just like many have turned on JT. Just win baby! JT's health will be no different for the Wisconsin game than it has been all year. UNLESS his knee pops out in practice and he can't put it right back in place as he has been able to all year, except for the one play against U of M. Then and only then will it becomes an issue. You do realize than only meaningless "fans" turn on coaches and players. Ohio State could get blown out in the Wisconsin game and none of the players past or present will "turn on" Urban. Gene Smith will not "turn on" Urban. The President of the University will not "turn on" Urban. The Ohio State University Trustees will not "turn on" Urban. Knowledgeable fans will not turn on Urban.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 28, 2017 13:16:35 GMT -5
OSU was losing to UM until Barrett was replaced and then they INSTANTLY took the lead and never looked back.
FACT.
Lol Fillmore, you thought Connor Cook was Sparty's QB until we corrected you. You got nothing.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 28, 2017 13:17:44 GMT -5
This will be one of the biggest decisions in Urban's career at Ohio State. Of course if JT is really hurt then it won't be. If healthy, I think he starts JT since he likes to run more than pass. I think Urban will try and give the Buckeyes the best chance to win no matter who he picks. I also hope he's flexible if things aren't working. If he doesn't, then the Buckeye fans will turn on him just like many have turned on JT. Just win baby! JT's health will be no different for the Wisconsin game than it has been all year. UNLESS his knee pops out in practice and he can't put it right back in place as he has been able to all year, except for the one play against U of M. Then and only then will it becomes an issue. You do realize than only meaningless "fans" turn on coaches and players. Ohio State could get blown out in the Wisconsin game and none of the players past or present will "turn on" Urban. Gene Smith will not "turn on" Urban. The President of the University will not "turn on" Urban. The Ohio State University Trustees will not "turn on" Urban. Knowledgeable fans will not turn on Urban. from the guy who bashes Stan Jackson, Tress, 12-gauge, and anyone else he can in order to slurp slurp slurp
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 28, 2017 13:51:36 GMT -5
OSU was losing to UM until Barrett was replaced and then they INSTANTLY took the lead and never looked back. FACT. Lol Fillmore, you thought Connor Cook was Sparty's QB until we corrected you. You got nothing. Why do you feel the need to resort to distortion of the facts? The Buckeye defense got us into an early 14 point deficit, with atrocious tackling and poor outside contain. Barrett was directly responsible for a running TD and a passing TD and just completed a 10 yd. run and had us knocking on the door again, when he was hurt. Haskins entered at a very opportune time and place in the game Thankfully, he continued the drive started by Barrett. We would have seen the same results and same outcome with the offensive momentum at that point in the game being clearly in favor of the Buckeyes. Yes, J.T. Barrett and Haskins were both awarded Champions of the game for their efforts.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 28, 2017 14:34:03 GMT -5
what exactly in my statement above was an opinion and not a fact?
why do you feel the need to constantly bash our defense?
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 28, 2017 14:36:46 GMT -5
and why do you gloss over the terrible read Barrett made that dropped the biscuit right into a defender's basket?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 14:37:19 GMT -5
sportsjock, Knocking on the door from the OSU 31? that scoring drive covered 78 yards and Jt was credited for 9 of them. Haskins entered the game looking at 69 yards of field to try and give OSU the lead, which he did from the QB position. It is very true that 14 points were scored against our defense early but it was our offense that was minus yardage after one quarter. Plus according to ESPN, of the total 350 yards of offense, 216 of that came in the last 18 minutes of the game. I honestly would like to agree with you in saying we could have seen the same results. But the fact is things changed at that point. We can argue the changes and why all day, but it does appear that everyone sees what they want to see. I saw 2 great running backs used more effectively and a passing game open up which in return increased the scoring, increased positive yardage and increased the time our defense could rest and be more effective. Ohio State had one drive of more than 4 plays in the first 30 minutes of the game. In the last 18 minutes we had 3 drives of more than 4 plays and a 4th drive only took 3 plays for a TD. I see a difference.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 28, 2017 14:47:19 GMT -5
WHY IS IT EVERY TIME BARRETT GETS HURT OUR OFFENSE EXPLODES!?!!?!
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Post by cbus on Nov 28, 2017 16:57:02 GMT -5
This will be one of the biggest decisions in Urban's career at Ohio State. Of course if JT is really hurt then it won't be. If healthy, I think he starts JT since he likes to run more than pass. I think Urban will try and give the Buckeyes the best chance to win no matter who he picks. I also hope he's flexible if things aren't working. If he doesn't, then the Buckeye fans will turn on him just like many have turned on JT. Just win baby! JT's health will be no different for the Wisconsin game than it has been all year. UNLESS his knee pops out in practice and he can't put it right back in place as he has been able to all year, except for the one play against U of M. Then and only then will it becomes an issue. You do realize than only meaningless "fans" turn on coaches and players. Ohio State could get blown out in the Wisconsin game and none of the players past or present will "turn on" Urban. Gene Smith will not "turn on" Urban. The President of the University will not "turn on" Urban. The Ohio State University Trustees will not "turn on" Urban. Knowledgeable fans will not turn on Urban. Every coach that ever gets fired starts the process at some point by his or his team's actions.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 28, 2017 17:26:19 GMT -5
why is wanting better QB play then Barrett can provide "turning on the University"?
Fillmore taking a page out of the liberal handbook rofl.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 28, 2017 17:57:38 GMT -5
sportsjock, Knocking on the door from the OSU 31? that scoring drive covered 78 yards and Jt was credited for 9 of them. Haskins entered the game looking at 69 yards of field to try and give OSU the lead, which he did from the QB position. It is very true that 14 points were scored against our defense early but it was our offense that was minus yardage after one quarter. Plus according to ESPN, of the total 350 yards of offense, 216 of that came in the last 18 minutes of the game. I honestly would like to agree with you in saying we could have seen the same results. But the fact is things changed at that point. We can argue the changes and why all day, but it does appear that everyone sees what they want to see. I saw 2 great running backs used more effectively and a passing game open up which in return increased the scoring, increased positive yardage and increased the time our defense could rest and be more effective. Ohio State had one drive of more than 4 plays in the first 30 minutes of the game. In the last 18 minutes we had 3 drives of more than 4 plays and a 4th drive only took 3 plays for a TD. I see a difference. Thanks for correcting me. J.T. took the snap with the ball resting inches beyond the 20, made the play action and ran left for 12 yards and a 1st down, when his knee gave out. The ball was resting on our own 32 at the time. This is a professionally edited game recap of the entire game in 40 minutes.
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Post by cbus on Nov 28, 2017 18:34:50 GMT -5
Haskins passes against MI and distance each pass traveled:
Penalty on MI-7 yards Completions- 1, 25, 4, 4 and 7 yards Incomplete- 15 yards
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 20:51:06 GMT -5
why is wanting better QB play then Barrett can provide "turning on the University"? Fillmore taking a page out of the liberal handbook rofl. Please point out where I typed anything about "turning on the University" We all might want better play at any position, but are any of us the most learned to make decisions regarding Ohio State's Depth Chart? I support ANY AND ALL decisions made by the most knowledgeable concerning the Ohio State football team. Haskins becomes my "boy" when he becomes the starter. Unlike Dumbo and those of his ilk who will turn on him like he's a criminal the first time he has a bad game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 21:06:04 GMT -5
JT's health will be no different for the Wisconsin game than it has been all year. UNLESS his knee pops out in practice and he can't put it right back in place as he has been able to all year, except for the one play against U of M. Then and only then will it becomes an issue. You do realize than only meaningless "fans" turn on coaches and players. Ohio State could get blown out in the Wisconsin game and none of the players past or present will "turn on" Urban. Gene Smith will not "turn on" Urban. The President of the University will not "turn on" Urban. The Ohio State University Trustees will not "turn on" Urban. Knowledgeable fans will not turn on Urban. Every coach that ever gets fired starts the process at some point by his or his team's actions. Over the past 66 years at Ohio State four coaches were fired/resigned. One for punching an opponent's player. One for losing 25% of his games every year. One for having a 2-9-1 record against Michigan. One for giving false information to the NCAA. Will Urban get fired for losing 9 total games and 4 Big Ten games in in 6 years?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 21:16:18 GMT -5
and why do you gloss over the terrible read Barrett made that dropped the biscuit right into a defender's basket? EVERY QB in the history of football have made bad reads. In the history of football at the college and NFL level there have been 10's of thousands of "dropped biscuits" by DBs. That is the primary reason they're playing DB instead of WR. In the history of football there has never been a perfect football player.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 21:20:57 GMT -5
WHY IS IT EVERY TIME BARRETT GETS HURT OUR OFFENSE EXPLODES!?!!?! Once it was because Zeke averaged over 250 yards rushing for 3 straight games and THE best WR at tracking and high pointing a long pass that Urban has ever seen, that ran on OSU's 4X100 relay team, High Jumped 7-2 and Long Jumped 26+, caught everything thrown near him. 1/3 of one game is hardly an EXPLOSION. A lot of the boom had to do with the U of M defense thinking about losing for the 15 time in the past 17 years to Ohio State and packing it in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 21:26:40 GMT -5
Thanks for correcting me. J.T. took the snap with the ball resting inches beyond the 20, made the play action and ran left for 12 yards and a 1st down, when his knee gave out. The ball was resting on our own 32 at the time.My goal is not to keep correcting you but the ball was on the OSU 21 and it was 2nd and 11. (because on the previous play JT lost a yard on a carry) When he took the snap and ran 10 yards he ended on the 31 and was short the first down. On 3rd and 1, Dobbins made a 4 yard run on a hand off from Haskins to gain the first down.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 21:53:18 GMT -5
OSU was losing to UM until Barrett was replaced and then they INSTANTLY took the lead and never looked back. FACT. Lol Fillmore, you thought Connor Cook was Sparty's QB until we corrected you. You got nothing. If JT didn't run 26 yards for a TD and throw a 25 yard TD pass to overcome a 14 point first half deficit, Haskins would have had to overcome a 21 lead by Michigan. That's the best hate you have? Conner Cook was the starting QB for MSU in 2015, his back up was Tyler O' Conner. A simple error made when quickly typing a post at 2:00AM. Go ahead, be a Dumbo hater acolyte.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2017 22:05:15 GMT -5
Thanks for correcting me. J.T. took the snap with the ball resting inches beyond the 20, made the play action and ran left for 12 yards and a 1st down, when his knee gave out. The ball was resting on our own 32 at the time.My goal is not to keep correcting you but the ball was on the OSU 21 and it was 2nd and 11. (because on the previous play JT lost a yard on a carry) When he took the snap and ran 10 yards he ended on the 31 and was short the first down. On 3rd and 1, Dobbins made a 4 yard run on a hand off from Haskins to gain the first down. If JT didn't gain 10 yards on the play he was injured. Haskins would have been stuck with 4th and long at the 20 something instead of 3rd and 1 at the 31. A first play off the bench botched by Haskins could have affected his psyche, flipped field postion, U of M scores again and the game would have been over. Haskins wouldn't be as highly thought of and JT would be hated all the more.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 29, 2017 6:42:05 GMT -5
Thanks for correcting me. J.T. took the snap with the ball resting inches beyond the 20, made the play action and ran left for 12 yards and a 1st down, when his knee gave out. The ball was resting on our own 32 at the time.My goal is not to keep correcting you but the ball was on the OSU 21 and it was 2nd and 11. (because on the previous play JT lost a yard on a carry) When he took the snap and ran 10 yards he ended on the 31 and was short the first down. On 3rd and 1, Dobbins made a 4 yard run on a hand off from Haskins to gain the first down. I have no problem with being corrected when I am clearly wrong. I went back and restudied the video. Admittedly, I didn't pay much attention to the downs and distances involved. I appreciate your desire for preciseness and accuracy.
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Post by ohioraised on Nov 29, 2017 8:06:19 GMT -5
If we are going to report that JT rushed for 84 positive yards you need to also report he had rushes for -17 yards because most of us only care about the net yards which was 67 yards on 15 carries for an average of 4.5 per carry. Otherwise you are guilty of fake stats yourself. He didn't "rush" for -17. Sacks accounted for -13 of the -17. Only -4 came on RUSHING plays. Statisticians differentiate between yards lost on sacks vs yards lost on running plays. Running backs can not be sacked, thus all of their minus yardage only comes on running plays. If you want to split hairs I will give you the -17 that you wrongly complain about. Take those 17 yards away and JT averaged 3 yards per carry on his other running plays without his 26 yard scramble. Haskins averaged 1 yard per carry on his other running plays without his 22 yard scramble. You are the one with fake stats, by counting the one long "run" which was not on a running play. It came on a pass play that turned into a scramble. I was more honest than you by distinguishing between true running play yardage and pass play scramble yardage. Let's not split hairs and just go by what The Ohio State Buckeyes use when they say he gained 84 lost 17 and had a net of 67 rushing yards. Stats do not register if a result is by design. It counts if it happened during the game. Barrett had 15 carries for a net of 67 yards. Haskins had 3 carries for 24 yards. In your clarification of Barrett's minus yardage you could have added that Haskins did not have any and he was never sacked. Which is a result of his scrambling ability.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 9:44:41 GMT -5
My goal is not to keep correcting you but the ball was on the OSU 21 and it was 2nd and 11. (because on the previous play JT lost a yard on a carry) When he took the snap and ran 10 yards he ended on the 31 and was short the first down. On 3rd and 1, Dobbins made a 4 yard run on a hand off from Haskins to gain the first down. I have no problem with being corrected when I am clearly wrong. I went back and restudied the video. Admittedly, I didn't pay much attention to the downs and distances involved. I appreciate your desire for preciseness and accuracy. I personally do not desire precision or accuracy all the time but both seem to become a requirement in some of these discussions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 9:45:36 GMT -5
ohioraised, splitting hairs is what he does.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 29, 2017 10:15:16 GMT -5
I have no problem with being corrected when I am clearly wrong. I went back and restudied the video. Admittedly, I didn't pay much attention to the downs and distances involved. I appreciate your desire for preciseness and accuracy. I personally do not desire precision or accuracy all the time but both seem to become a requirement in some of these discussions. I so agree.....authenticity my friend.....lol
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 29, 2017 10:32:10 GMT -5
Interesting stats With JT Barrett IV in the game 12 times JT ran it (sacked 3 times which gives him the box score of 15) 11 times JT handed it off 3-8 passing 3 times JT held it forever and got sacked 8 series - 14 points
With Haskins in the game 3 times Haskins ran it 17 times Haskins handed it off 6-7 passing wasn't sacked 4 series - 17 points
Ball Hog JT 'noodle arm' Barrett IV just about cost the Buckeyes the game with his ball hog antics. He single handily lost the Buckeyes the 2015 game vs MSU by ball hogging from Zeke The team flourished when Cardale Jones came in vs Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon when Jones handed the ball off to Zeke instead of ball hogging from Zeke.
I like how Haskins lets those stud RB's get the ball instead of ball hogging from them. I like how Haskins lets those stud WR's get a chance to go catch the ball instead of holding it all day and not throwing it I like how Haskins lets those stud WR's get accurate balls thrown to them instead of under throwing a wide open receiver by 20 yards and turning an easy wide open TD into his receiver nearly ending up in the hospital from a horrendously under thrown ball.
OSU struggles: when Ball Hog Barrett hogs the ball from the stud RB's. or when OSU features Barrett's noodle arm
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Post by Rambo McClain on Nov 29, 2017 10:40:21 GMT -5
Another cool stat, OSU ran it 76.2% of the time vs Michigan. The 80% mark is a nice mark needed to win big games with JT 'noodle arm' Barrett IV playing QB. He's a horrible passer vs quality defenses which means the run games has to be featured.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2017 14:47:56 GMT -5
He didn't "rush" for -17. Sacks accounted for -13 of the -17. Only -4 came on RUSHING plays. Statisticians differentiate between yards lost on sacks vs yards lost on running plays. Running backs can not be sacked, thus all of their minus yardage only comes on running plays. If you want to split hairs I will give you the -17 that you wrongly complain about. Take those 17 yards away and JT averaged 3 yards per carry on his other running plays without his 26 yard scramble. Haskins averaged 1 yard per carry on his other running plays without his 22 yard scramble. You are the one with fake stats, by counting the one long "run" which was not on a running play. It came on a pass play that turned into a scramble. I was more honest than you by distinguishing between true running play yardage and pass play scramble yardage. Let's not split hairs and just go by what The Ohio State Buckeyes use when they say he gained 84 lost 17 and had a net of 67 rushing yards. Stats do not register if a result is by design. It counts if it happened during the game. Barrett had 15 carries for a net of 67 yards. Haskins had 3 carries for 24 yards. In your clarification of Barrett's minus yardage you could have added that Haskins did not have any and he was never sacked. Which is a result of his scrambling ability. Watching the game you know which QB runs are scrambles on called pass plays. You know which plays result in sacks and you know which runs by the QB are by "design". Even if a QB scrambles all over the field, if tackled behind the line of scrimmage it is counted as a sack. Sacks are accounted for in box scores and yardage lost by sacks are accounted for in box scores. So a lot can be gleaned by watching and scouring box scores. By watching the game and looking at box scores I know that 26 of Barrett's NET yards rushing came on a scramble. Thus his running play rushes averaged 3 yards/carry. I also know that 22 of Haskins 24 yards yards came on a scramble. Thus his other 2 rushes averaged 1 yard/carry. Watching Ohio State football the past 4 years it is evident that JT is a better at scrambling than Haskins at this point in their careers. The vast majority of pass plays called for Haskins were shallow crossing patterns that called for him to throw 5 yard passes in the middle of the field. Greatly reducing the need for him to have to scramble. Let me ask, if all that matters is net yards rushing by QB's, why do box scores also give the gross yards gained rushing for QBs? Why in the case of running backs, all that is given is yards rushing. There is nothing in box scores showing how many yards a running back loses when tackled behind the line of scrimmage. That reduces their rushing yard total, just as sacks reduce QBs rushing yard total.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 29, 2017 14:57:33 GMT -5
shew boy there's always a rocket science explanation for why every time Barrett is replaced his replacement does better than he did
why don't we just do the things you apologists say we do when Barrett is out when Barrett is in? why didn't we just hand off to Zeke in 2015 and go undefeated?
why didn't we just pound the rock and throw sick crossing routes when Barrett was in the game vs UM last week?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2017 15:43:22 GMT -5
Interesting stats With JT Barrett IV in the game 12 times JT ran it (sacked 3 times which gives him the box score of 15) 11 times JT handed it off 3-8 passing 3 times JT held it forever and got sacked 8 series - 14 points With Haskins in the game 3 times Haskins ran it 17 times Haskins handed it off 6-7 passing wasn't sacked 4 series - 17 points Ball Hog JT 'noodle arm' Barrett IV just about cost the Buckeyes the game with his ball hog antics. He single handily lost the Buckeyes the 2015 game vs MSU by ball hogging from Zeke The team flourished when Cardale Jones came in vs Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon when Jones handed the ball off to Zeke instead of ball hogging from Zeke. I like how Haskins lets those stud RB's get the ball instead of ball hogging from them. I like how Haskins lets those stud WR's get a chance to go catch the ball instead of holding it all day and not throwing it I like how Haskins lets those stud WR's get accurate balls thrown to them instead of under throwing a wide open receiver by 20 yards and turning an easy wide open TD into his receiver nearly ending up in the hospital from a horrendously under thrown ball. OSU struggles: when Ball Hog Barrett hogs the ball from the stud RB's. or when OSU features Barrett's noodle arm More FAKE STATS. Coaches call the plays There was a failure to tell us how many of JT's runs were scrambles vs called run plays There was a failure to tell us that 3 of JT's passes were dropped There was a failure to mention that JT gained 3 yard/carry when he "ran it" on running plays. There was a failure to mention that Haskins averaged 1 yard per carry when he "ran it" on running plays. There was a failure to mention that JT brought his TEAM back from a 14 point deficit in the first half with a 26 yard TD run and a @% yard TD pass. There was a failure to mention that Haskins did not have a TD run. There was a failure to mention that Haskins didn't have a TD pass. An untruth, if JT "held it forever" he would still be holding it. It is another untruth to say JT "single handedly" lost to MSU in 2015. THE TRUTH: There was a failure to mention that Zeke was in the hospital the week of the MSU game. Thus he was used as decoy on many plays. JT runs the ball when the COACHES CALL THE PLAYS. There was a failure to tell us that Zeke blamed Urban for the loss for the COACHES NOT CALLING PLAYS for him to run it more. NO ONE on the team blamed JT. There was a failure to inform that it was a miserable rainy day. JT completed 9 of 16 passes, MSU QB completed 8 of 16. Give credit to the MSU defense, they stopped Ohio State's QB sweeps by a better runner and the Ohio State defense failed to stop MSU's QB sweeps by a lesser runner. It is ignorant to say JT is a "ball hog" when COACHES CALL THE PLAYS. How could someone this IGNORANT pull off the charade of inaccurate stats and untruths? COACHES CALL THE PLAYS when Haskins hands the ball to "stud running backs" COACHES CALL THE PLAYS when Haskins completed easy to complete 5 yard deep crossing routes Why did COACHES NOT CALL easy to complete 5 yard deep crossing routes when JT was playing? COACHES CALL THE PLAYS There was a failure to say that the pass that was under thrown was due to being hit as the pass was thrown AND the receiver had the ball in his hands, but dropped it. FAKE STATS. FAKE NEWS and UNTRUTHS. A charlatan!
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