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Jan 25, 2018 5:24:50 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 5:24:50 GMT -5
That is 100% on your head coach. I don’t know, man. I think a person that takes a coaching position that gets beat up like he has this year and last year, continues to do it, why? It can’t be for the love of the game, he never shows any emotion, like he is being forced to do it. I don’t know the guy but this 8th grade team was in every game last year a parent told me and this year, they are getting crushed by nearly everyone. Nick will get them next year and he is a good coach, lets hope some don’t lose interest before then. I'm not saying your coach is a bad coach, but in your opinion he is the one who hired an unqualified coach and put them in charge of developing players making a move from JH to HS.
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Jan 25, 2018 6:00:52 GMT -5
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Post by moneyball on Jan 25, 2018 6:00:52 GMT -5
I don’t know, man. I think a person that takes a coaching position that gets beat up like he has this year and last year, continues to do it, why? It can’t be for the love of the game, he never shows any emotion, like he is being forced to do it. I don’t know the guy but this 8th grade team was in every game last year a parent told me and this year, they are getting crushed by nearly everyone. Nick will get them next year and he is a good coach, lets hope some don’t lose interest before then. I'm not saying your coach is a bad coach, but in your opinion he is the one who hired an unqualified coach and put them in charge of developing players making a move from JH to HS. I think that in itself is the problem, the head coach having the responsibility to hire these coaches. IMO, these coaching positions should be publicly posted and candidates submit their resume’ and the school board interviews them and does the hiring. This is way too much responsibility thrown on a head coaches shoulders, after all they are paid positions. This would allow the best candidate with the best qualifications to be hired. At least from the 7-9 grades should be handled like this.
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Jan 25, 2018 6:22:48 GMT -5
Post by buckeyekid on Jan 25, 2018 6:22:48 GMT -5
I'm curious to know the protocol for hiring 7th-9th grade coaches in other school districts ?
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Jan 25, 2018 6:35:28 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 25, 2018 6:35:28 GMT -5
call the board office and ask as I did....maybe u should get ur facts straight before you open your mouth! Talk to the AD as I did, you have no facts. Shut your mouth. applications go to the board office not the AD, who doesn't know if hes coming or going !
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Jan 25, 2018 6:38:11 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 25, 2018 6:38:11 GMT -5
I'm curious to know the protocol for hiring 7th-9th grade coaches in other school districts ? I would like to know this as well, I think that any position that is paid should be an advertised position not one that a head coach brings in just anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 7:24:37 GMT -5
I think that in itself is the problem, the head coach having the responsibility to hire these coaches. IMO, these coaching positions should be publicly posted and candidates submit their resume’ and the school board interviews them and does the hiring. This is way too much responsibility thrown on a head coaches shoulders, after all they are paid positions. This would allow the best candidate with the best qualifications to be hired. At least from the 7-9 grades should be handled like this. All lower level coaches are a part of the head coach's staff and need to work together within a programs progression. Remove the head coach from the selection process and a lower level coach's loyalty is no longer to the program but to himself and his record. This is not how good programs are run.
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Jan 25, 2018 7:30:29 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 7:30:29 GMT -5
Talk to the AD as I did, you have no facts. Shut your mouth. applications go to the board office not the AD, who doesn't know if hes coming or going ! Applicants can go to the custodians for all I care, the AD still has knowledge of the applicants. Regardless of your opinion of him. I'm starting to see a pattern here. You continuously add to the personnel you feel are inadequate to hold positions in your child's school system. I cannot imagine your child having a positive attitude when he/she walks the halls after listening to you all the time.
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Willard
Jan 25, 2018 7:35:10 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 7:35:10 GMT -5
I'm curious to know the protocol for hiring 7th-9th grade coaches in other school districts ? I have never heard of any coach, in any sport, at any level being hired without the knowledge or approval of the sport's head coach. I can see how this could be different in the inner city schools when multiple middle schools feed into large high schools.
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Jan 25, 2018 7:41:17 GMT -5
Post by moneyball on Jan 25, 2018 7:41:17 GMT -5
I think that in itself is the problem, the head coach having the responsibility to hire these coaches. IMO, these coaching positions should be publicly posted and candidates submit their resume’ and the school board interviews them and does the hiring. This is way too much responsibility thrown on a head coaches shoulders, after all they are paid positions. This would allow the best candidate with the best qualifications to be hired. At least from the 7-9 grades should be handled like this. All lower level coaches are a part of the head coach's staff and need to work together within a programs progression. Remove the head coach from the selection process and a lower level coach's loyalty is no longer to the program but to himself and his record. This is not how good programs are run. I struggle with that. I think when they are interviewed it is like any other position you apply for, they have a boss and that boss is the head coach. They follow his/her lead and if they don't they have to answer to him/her. I think it would be so much more successful than people think, at least you are getting the best coach possible. I would rather have a good coach coaching 7-9 that is teaching the players the game of basketball the right way instead of a coach that doesn't fully understand the game of basketball and is just hoping for the season to get over. Whether we like it or not, winning is what it is about starting in 7th grade, I wish it were not but it is. Many of these kids have played 2-3-4 years of organized basketball before they hit 7th grade and when there are not competent coaches in place parents and players feel short changed. I'm not blaming the head coach here, it has been the policy to have the head coach pick his/her staff since the beginning of time, all I'm saying is it is time to look at it differently and possibly change the process of selecting the 7-9 grade coaches.
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Jan 25, 2018 8:05:04 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 25, 2018 8:05:04 GMT -5
I think that in itself is the problem, the head coach having the responsibility to hire these coaches. IMO, these coaching positions should be publicly posted and candidates submit their resume’ and the school board interviews them and does the hiring. This is way too much responsibility thrown on a head coaches shoulders, after all they are paid positions. This would allow the best candidate with the best qualifications to be hired. At least from the 7-9 grades should be handled like this. All lower level coaches are a part of the head coach's staff and need to work together within a programs progression. Remove the head coach from the selection process and a lower level coach's loyalty is no longer to the program but to himself and his record. This is not how good programs are run. obviously not working for Willard as their programs are in the toilet
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Jan 25, 2018 9:41:53 GMT -5
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Post by bigox on Jan 25, 2018 9:41:53 GMT -5
I'm curious to know the protocol for hiring 7th-9th grade coaches in other school districts ? I would like to know this as well, I think that any position that is paid should be an advertised position not one that a head coach brings in just anyone. First you have to pass a back ground check which I doubt some of you could do. Next you have to pass 4 accreditations/trainings set forth by OSHAA. Then you get approved by the school board. These "coach" positions in junior high have very little to do with what a varsity coach wants in most cases. It has a lot more to do with if a teacher wants the headache of giving up roughly 300 to 700 hours of his or her time to get what amounts to a buck or two an hour. If no one from the school district wants said position then it can be posted to Johnny on the street if the above criteria was met. Even then it is ultimately the responsibility of school boards each year to select coaches for junior high and high school level.. a head coach can offer his opinion on who he thinks should be there but pecking order is school employees first then relatives of employees that met criteria then Johnny youth coach or mad mommy or daddy if and only if the meet what is required obviously that counts out many on here 😎😎
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Jan 25, 2018 9:47:14 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 9:47:14 GMT -5
All lower level coaches are a part of the head coach's staff and need to work together within a programs progression. Remove the head coach from the selection process and a lower level coach's loyalty is no longer to the program but to himself and his record. This is not how good programs are run. obviously not working for Willard as their programs are in the toilet Once they get thru the players that the previous youth director messed up the program will begin to turn around.
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Post by moneyball on Jan 25, 2018 10:07:38 GMT -5
obviously not working for Willard as their programs are in the toilet Once they get thru the players that the previous youth director messed up the program will begin to turn around. Good point but it was either that or upwards basketball for the youth here in Willard, pick your poison. I know some of the boys in 9th grade were the first wave of players that went through that program under the youth director so they're not all that bad, one of them is a starter on the varsity team. Someone posted about the youth director on FB today and it was a good post about the previous program, any program has its supporters and those that oppose it, you are obviously the latter. Me personally, I think the youth program should be under the school like it is today with a director that has a close relationship with the head coach. The head coach can't be tied down with managing it but it helps that they have their thumb on the pulse. I like the direction they are taking this program (my opinion doesn't matter but I'm giving it anyhow :-) but as I stated before, I think they need to work on interviewing for 7-9 grade coaches and let the best candidate earn the paid position.
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Jan 25, 2018 10:10:01 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 10:10:01 GMT -5
All lower level coaches are a part of the head coach's staff and need to work together within a programs progression. Remove the head coach from the selection process and a lower level coach's loyalty is no longer to the program but to himself and his record. This is not how good programs are run. I struggle with that. I think when they are interviewed it is like any other position you apply for, they have a boss and that boss is the head coach. They follow his/her lead and if they don't they have to answer to him/her. I think it would be so much more successful than people think, at least you are getting the best coach possible. I would rather have a good coach coaching 7-9 that is teaching the players the game of basketball the right way instead of a coach that doesn't fully understand the game of basketball and is just hoping for the season to get over. Whether we like it or not, winning is what it is about starting in 7th grade, I wish it were not but it is. Many of these kids have played 2-3-4 years of organized basketball before they hit 7th grade and when there are not competent coaches in place parents and players feel short changed. I'm not blaming the head coach here, it has been the policy to have the head coach pick his/her staff since the beginning of time, all I'm saying is it is time to look at it differently and possibly change the process of selecting the 7-9 grade coaches. It goes without saying that you need qualified coaches to be successful but the reality is they are not always available. Sometimes you do have to take an available person less qualified at a lower lever. People normally do not change jobs to be a Jr High coach. After seeing my kids go thru the process I would disagree with you slightly in regards to winning be what it is all about starting in 7th grade. The feeder levels are still about learning the game and how to play. JH success means nothing for varsity as the success can happy for different reasons(growth spurts, physical maturity, 1 or2 players) In many cases a good JH team can be a bust by the time they are seniors because they get separated on HS teams and kids/parents get attitudes and become bitter.
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Jan 25, 2018 10:23:14 GMT -5
Post by moneyball on Jan 25, 2018 10:23:14 GMT -5
I struggle with that. I think when they are interviewed it is like any other position you apply for, they have a boss and that boss is the head coach. They follow his/her lead and if they don't they have to answer to him/her. I think it would be so much more successful than people think, at least you are getting the best coach possible. I would rather have a good coach coaching 7-9 that is teaching the players the game of basketball the right way instead of a coach that doesn't fully understand the game of basketball and is just hoping for the season to get over. Whether we like it or not, winning is what it is about starting in 7th grade, I wish it were not but it is. Many of these kids have played 2-3-4 years of organized basketball before they hit 7th grade and when there are not competent coaches in place parents and players feel short changed. I'm not blaming the head coach here, it has been the policy to have the head coach pick his/her staff since the beginning of time, all I'm saying is it is time to look at it differently and possibly change the process of selecting the 7-9 grade coaches. It goes without saying that you need qualified coaches to be successful but the reality is they are not always available. Sometimes you do have to take an available person less qualified at a lower lever. People normally do not change jobs to be a Jr High coach. After seeing my kids go thru the process I would disagree with you slightly in regards to winning be what it is all about starting in 7th grade. The feeder levels are still about learning the game and how to play. JH success means nothing for varsity as the success can happy for different reasons(growth spurts, physical maturity, 1 or2 players) In many cases a good JH team can be a bust by the time they are seniors because they get separated on HS teams and kids/parents get attitudes and become bitter. Good coaches are hard to come by, I'm sure. Not saying winning is everything starting in 7th grade, just saying that is where the winning expectation starts. It is obvious that kids fall off as they get older. Good example is year after year the number dwindles as kids get older. Last year we had two seniors and this year we have three. The bunch of 8-10 good players that are now 9th graders, we'll only see 4-5 of those kids playing as seniors, I'm sure.
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Jan 25, 2018 10:55:59 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 10:55:59 GMT -5
Good coaches are hard to come by, I'm sure. Not saying winning is everything starting in 7th grade, just saying that is where the winning expectation starts. It is obvious that kids fall off as they get older. Good example is year after year the number dwindles as kids get older. Last year we had two seniors and this year we have three. The bunch of 8-10 good players that are now 9th graders, we'll only see 4-5 of those kids playing as seniors, I'm sure. So in 7th grade right now, who are those 3-4 kids? Nobody knows. So winning games for them is less important as making them better, smarter, harder working players being the top priority.
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Jan 25, 2018 11:02:24 GMT -5
Post by wyandot on Jan 25, 2018 11:02:24 GMT -5
Good coaches are hard to come by, I'm sure. Not saying winning is everything starting in 7th grade, just saying that is where the winning expectation starts. It is obvious that kids fall off as they get older. Good example is year after year the number dwindles as kids get older. Last year we had two seniors and this year we have three. The bunch of 8-10 good players that are now 9th graders, we'll only see 4-5 of those kids playing as seniors, I'm sure. So in 7th grade right now, who are those 3-4 kids? Nobody knows. So winning games for them is less important as making them better, smarter, harder working players being the top priority. for once I agree with you...development is more important than winning at the middle school level. I also believe letting a lot of kids play especially if one team or the other is up by a lot. If we are not about the win in MS then lets develop all not just a select few. Should we be cutting kids in the 4th 5th and 6th grade levels?
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Jan 25, 2018 12:36:07 GMT -5
Post by moneyball on Jan 25, 2018 12:36:07 GMT -5
Good coaches are hard to come by, I'm sure. Not saying winning is everything starting in 7th grade, just saying that is where the winning expectation starts. It is obvious that kids fall off as they get older. Good example is year after year the number dwindles as kids get older. Last year we had two seniors and this year we have three. The bunch of 8-10 good players that are now 9th graders, we'll only see 4-5 of those kids playing as seniors, I'm sure. So in 7th grade right now, who are those 3-4 kids? Nobody knows. So winning games for them is less important as making them better, smarter, harder working players being the top priority. Not even going to go down that path because kids mature at different levels. Someone that may dominate in 7th now may not be playing by the time they hit their sophomore year. Someone that is so so now may turn out to be your superstar by the time they are a Junior. I agree with wyandot, development is key at this age and the hope is they get better as the year goes on. If you have 12 kids what is more important, winning or getting everyone playing time? If it is winning then only keep 8 players and if it is development and that is the head coaches direction then keep 12 and play them all at some point in every game. Problem is you keep 12, play 7 and you are still losing by double digits. If you keep 12 and play 12 you have an argument to stand on, you are more worried about the development of all players and not solely about winning.
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Jan 25, 2018 12:46:18 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 12:46:18 GMT -5
Keeping 12 and playing 7 in a game can still get 12 developing in practice. Game time should be earned, practice time is given.
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Jan 25, 2018 12:54:47 GMT -5
Post by moneyball on Jan 25, 2018 12:54:47 GMT -5
Keeping 12 and playing 7 in a game can still get 12 developing in practice. Game time should be earned, practice time is given. If that is the case then the 7 should float at times. I would say 3-4 may be static but the 5-7 should float with the 8-10 based on their performance in practice. Even then, the 11-12 should find their way onto the court sometime during the season.
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Jan 25, 2018 15:02:48 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 15:02:48 GMT -5
Keeping 12 and playing 7 in a game can still get 12 developing in practice. Game time should be earned, practice time is given. If that is the case then the 7 should float at times. I would say 3-4 may be static but the 5-7 should float with the 8-10 based on their performance in practice. Even then, the 11-12 should find their way onto the court sometime during the season. I'm saying a kid who practices against good players 5-6 days a week should get better just from practice.
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Jan 25, 2018 16:09:03 GMT -5
Post by gt1975 on Jan 25, 2018 16:09:03 GMT -5
I'm curious to know the protocol for hiring 7th-9th grade coaches in other school districts ? I would like to know this as well, I think that any position that is paid should be an advertised position not one that a head coach brings in just anyone. In Galion the Varsity coach selects all the coaches in the program. I have not heard of an instance where the AD or Board did not approve their selections. In Galion though, our AD is no better at hiring coaches. Our AD hired our 6th grade coach to coach Varsity (3 wins last year, 5 this year) then the Varsity coach hired our 8th grade coach for JV (5 wins last year, 0 this year) and a kid that graduated the year before to coach 9th (1 win last year, no 9th grade team this year). So I'm not sure which would be better, AD making the decisions or Varsity coach.
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Jan 25, 2018 16:32:30 GMT -5
Post by ScarletFever on Jan 25, 2018 16:32:30 GMT -5
Willard has at least 4 more pages of off the court discussion than they do wins.
Most of them jr. high. Say this in Allen Iverson practice voice. Most of them jr. high.
Hopefully 2018-19 is different.
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Jan 26, 2018 8:40:22 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 8:40:22 GMT -5
Must be a Browns fan too.
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Jan 26, 2018 9:45:19 GMT -5
Post by sportsfan on Jan 26, 2018 9:45:19 GMT -5
Willard has at least 4 more pages of off the court discussion than they do wins. Most of them jr. high. Say this in Allen Iverson practice voice. Most of them jr. high. Hopefully 2018-19 is different.That's been said since 2007
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Jan 26, 2018 10:57:53 GMT -5
Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 10:57:53 GMT -5
Willard has at least 4 more pages of off the court discussion than they do wins. Most of them jr. high. Say this in Allen Iverson practice voice. Most of them jr. high. Hopefully 2018-19 is different.That's been said since 2007 Next year the flashes will be 500. But the next two years after that, hold on because they will be a force to be reckoned with.
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Jan 26, 2018 12:31:13 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 12:31:13 GMT -5
That's been said since 2007 Next year the flashes will be 500. But the next two years after that, hold on because they will be a force to be reckoned with. Would it be fair to say that Willard's record should improve because their schedule is getting easier?
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Jan 26, 2018 12:55:32 GMT -5
Post by moneyball on Jan 26, 2018 12:55:32 GMT -5
Next year the flashes will be 500. But the next two years after that, hold on because they will be a force to be reckoned with. Would it be fair to say that Willard's record should improve because their schedule is getting easier? Define easier? If you are referring to playing schools with the same number of boys in high school verses playing teams with 25-30% more boys (old NOL teams), the playing field is now leveling for them.
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Jan 26, 2018 13:42:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:42:31 GMT -5
Would it be fair to say that Willard's record should improve because their schedule is getting easier? Define easier? If you are referring to playing schools with the same number of boys in high school verses playing teams with 25-30% more boys (old NOL teams), the playing field is now leveling for them. Define leveling for them? If you mean down grading their schedule to play and easier schedule than we are agreeing. If I said less challenging instead of easier would that be better for you? I was not trying to offend only stating the changes in their schedule SHOULD improve their record.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 26, 2018 14:14:37 GMT -5
Define easier? If you are referring to playing schools with the same number of boys in high school verses playing teams with 25-30% more boys (old NOL teams), the playing field is now leveling for them. Define leveling for them? If you mean down grading their schedule to play and easier schedule than we are agreeing. If I said less challenging instead of easier would that be better for you? I was not trying to offend only stating the changes in their schedule SHOULD improve their record. I think its a fair statement, but I also agree with moneyball's statement regarding 2 years from now, willard may have a team comparable to some of the best teams in willard's history
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