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Post by galion on Aug 24, 2018 13:44:54 GMT -5
So how long until the NCAA rolls into town to grab their headlines and to exact their pound of flesh? Because you know they will.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 24, 2018 17:16:48 GMT -5
I remember reading a while back that no NCAA rules were violated.
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Post by Whittaker on Aug 24, 2018 17:36:19 GMT -5
There is no need. Zach Smith was not arrested. Believe that and move on. But if it makes you fell better, don't move to Powell. LOL, I'll add Powell to the list, alphabetically, right before Put-in-Bay and Shiloh.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 24, 2018 18:02:55 GMT -5
you don't have to add either, you don't fit the description
i reckon
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Post by buckeyekid on Aug 25, 2018 4:51:49 GMT -5
Hopefully --sooner than later this will go away from being in the National news. If the head coach at Temple did what Urban did,,which is keep a good friends son on the Coaching Staff a few years too long----would it be a National Story? No. It is because Urban is a winning football Coach. He is good at what he does,,,Top 3 in the world of College Football. The media and some people from Rival teams HATE that and love to see people on top who they view as arrogant get thrown under the bus. The media loves a good story like this to generate views and clicks. I'm sure in their own offices of the same large media companies---very similar events are going on. Employees doing things like Zach Smith did,,and they get to keep their jobs because maybe they are the nephew of the boss or a family member of a higher up or just a friend of a friend-----point being that person is probably a Nobody. Someone whose name garners no attention,,,and thus he or she is left alone to continue doing what they do and nobody says a word. Urban is well know. Ohio State is powerhouse program with many enemies who are their competition. Don't forget this one main fact-----Media in 2018 needs to be viewed to make money. They will do whatever it takes to get views and clicks-----It all boils down to money at the end of the day. This was a story blown up with half truths and misleading statements and information-----Why ? Because people will spend time reading about a famous person or a Top Shelf Football program---they will make that click to read some dirt out of sheer nosiness because of who it involves and not the actual " supposed crime" .
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Post by galion on Aug 25, 2018 9:21:45 GMT -5
Perhaps, but Urban doesn't coach at Temple and he is one of the 2 highest profile college football coaches in America. In which case. you can't afford to be that arrogant. He knows that everything that he does or, in this case, doesn't do is going to be scrutinized under a microscope. Whether or not Smith was guilty of assaulting his wife, between the dick pix, sex toys, and affairs with staff members he should have been thrown out on his *** years ago. Fact is Urban F'ed up. In 2015 he withheld information about Smith's prior conduct while on staff at Florida in addition to turning a blind eye towards his other indiscretions. Now he has to pay a penalty. Too bad, move on. Quite frankly, Tressel was fired for less so he and Buckeye nation should count their blessings.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 25, 2018 9:37:16 GMT -5
Perhaps, but Urban doesn't coach at Temple and he is one of the 2 highest profile college football coaches in America. In which case. you can't afford to be that arrogant. He knows that everything that he does or, in this case, doesn't do is going to be scrutinized under a microscope. Whether or not Smith was guilty of assaulting his wife, between the dick pix, sex toys, and affairs with staff members he should have been thrown out on his *** years ago. Fact is Urban F'ed up. In 2015 he withheld information about Smith's prior conduct while on staff at Florida in addition to turning a blind eye towards his other indiscretions. Now he has to pay a penalty. Too bad, move on. Quite frankly, Tressel was fired for less so he and Buckeye nation should count their blessings. There's no question there was a dark, secret side of Zach Smith, that no one knew existed, including Urban Meyer. No doubt Urban wasn't aware of the magnitude of Zach's character flaws....who would. I certainly wouldn't say Tressel was fired for less. There was clear violations of his contract and athletic codes, but I felt then as I still do, Jim Tressel got a raw deal. Like Urban, Jim is a good, honest person with high moral ethics. If the Powell police had done their job, Zach would have been disposed of long ago and this entire circus would have been avoided. Listening to eSECpn on my Sirius/XM, they are still in full character assasination mode, as their programming is dedicated entirely to Urban Meyer. The distortions and ignorance of the facts by the show hosts and callers is astounding.
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Post by galion on Aug 25, 2018 9:56:24 GMT -5
Don't kid yourself he knew enough to terminate him. He was unaware of multiple affairs with staff members? The photos? Police reports? You're smarter than that. He's the most powerful man in Cbus but nobody tells him anything? You probably actually believe that his wife didn't discuss the text messages with him too. He tried to ignore and cover for him as a favor to his mentor Earl Bruce and was arrogant enough to believe that he could continue to get away with it for as long as he pleased. This isn't even about loyalty even as much as arrogance. He should have never brought him north from Florida and he knew it.
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Post by dude on Aug 25, 2018 9:56:41 GMT -5
Perhaps, but Urban doesn't coach at Temple and he is one of the 2 highest profile college football coaches in America. In which case. you can't afford to be that arrogant. He knows that everything that he does or, in this case, doesn't do is going to be scrutinized under a microscope. Whether or not Smith was guilty of assaulting his wife, between the dick pix, sex toys, and affairs with staff members he should have been thrown out on his *** years ago. Fact is Urban F'ed up. In 2015 he withheld information about Smith's prior conduct while on staff at Florida in addition to turning a blind eye towards his other indiscretions. Now he has to pay a penalty. Too bad, move on. Quite frankly, Tressel was fired for less so he and Buckeye nation should count their blessings. I wonder if you fully practice what you preach. I can't imagine you attending every school board meeting and demanding every teacher who has had an affair be fired. OR attended every Galion City Council meeting and requested every police office and city employee who purchased a sex toy be cut from the staff immediately. No need to answer, it was just a thought.
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Post by galion on Aug 25, 2018 10:02:08 GMT -5
A stupid thought. You do realize of course that every affair that he had with a staff member opens the University up for a sexual harassment lawsuit right?
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Post by dude on Aug 25, 2018 10:12:36 GMT -5
A stupid thought. You do realize of course that every affair that he had with a staff member opens the University up for a sexual harassment lawsuit right? So you want us to believe your passion is for the concern of the University?
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 25, 2018 10:12:43 GMT -5
A stupid thought. You do realize of course that every affair that he had with a staff member opens the University up for a sexual harassment lawsuit right? That is entirely out of the realm of common sense and reason. Now you are suggesting the Urban and his staff have clairvoyant super powers? What goes on in private, behind closed doors is virtually undetectable. If we went by such a standard, every single coach in America would be jeapardized, regardless of sport.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 25, 2018 10:18:38 GMT -5
Don't kid yourself he knew enough to terminate him. He was unaware of multiple affairs with staff members? The photos? Police reports? You're smarter than that. He's the most powerful man in Cbus but nobody tells him anything? You probably actually believe that his wife didn't discuss the text messages with him too. He tried to ignore and cover for him as a favor to his mentor Earl Bruce and was arrogant enough to believe that he could continue to get away with it for as long as he pleased. This isn't even about loyalty even as much as arrogance. He should have never brought him north from Florida and he knew it. Again, you as many others that wish to embellish the facts, ignore the findings and recommendation from the Board of Trustees. The board conducted a thorough and exhausting investigation of facts, evidence and testimonies and concluded Urban followed protocol and recommended immediate reinstatement. What part of that don't you understand?
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Post by galion on Aug 25, 2018 11:23:57 GMT -5
A stupid thought. You do realize of course that every affair that he had with a staff member opens the University up for a sexual harassment lawsuit right? That is entirely out of the realm of common sense and reason. Now you are suggesting the Urban and his staff have clairvoyant super powers? What goes on in private, behind closed doors is virtually undetectable. If we went by such a standard, every single coach in America would be jeapardized, regardless of sport. You don't need to be a clairvoyant when you have a pi$$ed off wife/ex wife blabbing it to anybody who will listen. Don't believe me? Ask Chris Hawkins. If she knew(and we know that she did) so did every one she could tell.
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Post by galion on Aug 25, 2018 11:28:14 GMT -5
A stupid thought. You do realize of course that every affair that he had with a staff member opens the University up for a sexual harassment lawsuit right? So you want us to believe your passion is for the concern of the University? Hell yes!!!!! I was a Buckeye fan before Urban and will continue to be one after he is gone. Are you a fan of the program or of Urban? Because if you're a fan of the program you at least have to ask the question if Urban is allowing this kind of behavior from one coach what else is he tolerating from the others?
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Post by galion on Aug 25, 2018 11:30:21 GMT -5
Don't kid yourself he knew enough to terminate him. He was unaware of multiple affairs with staff members? The photos? Police reports? You're smarter than that. He's the most powerful man in Cbus but nobody tells him anything? You probably actually believe that his wife didn't discuss the text messages with him too. He tried to ignore and cover for him as a favor to his mentor Earl Bruce and was arrogant enough to believe that he could continue to get away with it for as long as he pleased. This isn't even about loyalty even as much as arrogance. He should have never brought him north from Florida and he knew it. Again, you as many others that wish to embellish the facts, ignore the findings and recommendation from the Board of Trustees. The board conducted a thorough and exhausting investigation of facts, evidence and testimonies and concluded Urban followed protocol and recommended immediate reinstatement. What part of that don't you understand? Football is OSU's cash cow what part of that don't you understand? What do you think that the trustees are going to say? Financially the best thing for OSU is to let Urban be.
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Post by dude on Aug 25, 2018 11:35:11 GMT -5
You don't need to be a clairvoyant when you have a pi$$ed off wife/ex wife blabbing it to anybody who will listen. Don't believe me? Ask Chris Hawkins. If she knew(and we know that she did) so did every one she could tell. And yet he was hired and employed by your school system until the day HE decided to taker another job.
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Post by dude on Aug 25, 2018 11:37:13 GMT -5
So you want us to believe your passion is for the concern of the University? Hell yes!!!!! I was a Buckeye fan before Urban and will continue to be one after he is gone. Are you a fan of the program or of Urban? Because if you're a fan of the program you at least have to ask the question if Urban is allowing this kind of behavior from one coach what else is he tolerating from the others? So then your issue is with Zach Smith for tarnishing the university. I firmly support punishing the criminal. I do not support throwing you in jail if your son steals from the neighbor just because you should have known he did it.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 25, 2018 11:39:41 GMT -5
That is entirely out of the realm of common sense and reason. Now you are suggesting the Urban and his staff have clairvoyant super powers? What goes on in private, behind closed doors is virtually undetectable. If we went by such a standard, every single coach in America would be jeapardized, regardless of sport. You don't need to be a clairvoyant when you have a pi$$ed off wife/ex wife blabbing it to anybody who will listen. Don't believe me? Ask Chris Hawkins. If she knew(and we know that she did) so did every one she could tell. We all can concur that Courtney is a nut case. I think those that had to listen to her constant babble were way past the eye rolling stage and simply turned off anything she had to say, in one ear and out the next. I'm sure the Board of Trustees investigating committee came to that conclusion as well in arriving at their decision to clear Urban Meyer. Once again, we are setting a dangerous standard here with the 'should have known' gray area, that will make no one happy other than the attorneys that reap the financial benefits and the media that feed off this crap.
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Post by galion on Aug 25, 2018 11:41:09 GMT -5
You don't need to be a clairvoyant when you have a pi$$ed off wife/ex wife blabbing it to anybody who will listen. Don't believe me? Ask Chris Hawkins. If she knew(and we know that she did) so did every one she could tell. And yet he was hired and employed by your school system until the day HE decided to taker another job. The affair in question happened at Ontario.
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Post by galion on Aug 25, 2018 11:42:48 GMT -5
Hell yes!!!!! I was a Buckeye fan before Urban and will continue to be one after he is gone. Are you a fan of the program or of Urban? Because if you're a fan of the program you at least have to ask the question if Urban is allowing this kind of behavior from one coach what else is he tolerating from the others? So then your issue is with Zach Smith for tarnishing the university. I firmly support punishing the criminal. I do not support throwing you in jail if your son steals from the neighbor just because you should have known he did it. No but if he's a minor then you're sure as Poop going to be on the hook for restitution.
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Post by dude on Aug 25, 2018 11:43:38 GMT -5
Again, you as many others that wish to embellish the facts, ignore the findings and recommendation from the Board of Trustees. The board conducted a thorough and exhausting investigation of facts, evidence and testimonies and concluded Urban followed protocol and recommended immediate reinstatement. What part of that don't you understand? Football is OSU's cash cow what part of that don't you understand? What do you think that the trustees are going to say? Financially the best thing for OSU is to let Urban be. So you think this event should have been a career ending event for Urban? I'm not asking at OSU but do you think this should have ended his career? Fired and never hired again?
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Post by galion on Aug 25, 2018 11:50:04 GMT -5
Football is OSU's cash cow what part of that don't you understand? What do you think that the trustees are going to say? Financially the best thing for OSU is to let Urban be. So you think this event should have been a career ending event for Urban? I'm not asking at OSU but do you think this should have ended his career? Fired and never hired again? Heavens no. I don't think that he should be fired. I'm fine with the suspension. OSU is one one of the top 5 jobs in the country. Every top assistant is lining up at the door to be on Urban's staff. There was no reason to tolerate this kind of garbage from Bruce's grandson or anybody else. He can have a zero tolerance policy and never miss a beat, especially with a coach like this.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 25, 2018 15:51:35 GMT -5
So you think this event should have been a career ending event for Urban? I'm not asking at OSU but do you think this should have ended his career? Fired and never hired again? Heavens no. I don't think that he should be fired. I'm fine with the suspension. OSU is one one of the top 5 jobs in the country. Every top assistant is lining up at the door to be on Urban's staff. There was no reason to tolerate this kind of garbage from Bruce's grandson or anybody else. He can have a zero tolerance policy and never miss a beat, especially with a coach like this. I thank you for this reply. You have lightened up a bit, my friend. Basically, the question becomes; whom do you trust more, President Michael Drake or the 20 person, Ohio State University Board of Trustees? Drake lost my support after his inexcusable treatment of Jon Waters. Urban Meyer needs our full support in a demonstrative and vocal manner this season.
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Post by buckeyekid on Aug 25, 2018 16:08:03 GMT -5
I'd believe Urban before I'd believe Courtney. I know that much. Urban said he knows he should not have given ZS the benefit of the doubt,,,for that he deserved some punishment---for not not cutting a lose cannon go --early enough. To me that's the end of it as far as his transgressions go. The report said he didn't try to conceal anything, He and Gene legit felt they were on top of it. But----stuff happens at home where Coach cannot monitor. The guy I'm sure only has so much bandwidth to work with like anyone.
There were mistakes made and there was punishment. The huge debate will always be whether or not the punishment fit the mistakes made in people's judgement. I feel the whole pre season and the first 3 games is quite a bit---people who say it wasn't enough would only settle for a firing squad imo.
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Post by buckeyekid on Aug 25, 2018 16:16:49 GMT -5
Perhaps, but Urban doesn't coach at Temple and he is one of the 2 highest profile college football coaches in America. In which case. you can't afford to be that arrogant. He knows that everything that he does or, in this case, doesn't do is going to be scrutinized under a microscope. Whether or not Smith was guilty of assaulting his wife, between the dick pix, sex toys, and affairs with staff members he should have been thrown out on his *** years ago. Fact is Urban F'ed up. In 2015 he withheld information about Smith's prior conduct while on staff at Florida in addition to turning a blind eye towards his other indiscretions. Now he has to pay a penalty. Too bad, move on. Quite frankly, Tressel was fired for less so he and Buckeye nation should count their blessings. Coach Tress lied to the NCAA---quite a bit different. Urban lied to the media or mispoke depending on whose version---way different.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 25, 2018 17:49:52 GMT -5
Perhaps, but Urban doesn't coach at Temple and he is one of the 2 highest profile college football coaches in America. In which case. you can't afford to be that arrogant. He knows that everything that he does or, in this case, doesn't do is going to be scrutinized under a microscope. Whether or not Smith was guilty of assaulting his wife, between the dick pix, sex toys, and affairs with staff members he should have been thrown out on his *** years ago. Fact is Urban F'ed up. In 2015 he withheld information about Smith's prior conduct while on staff at Florida in addition to turning a blind eye towards his other indiscretions. Now he has to pay a penalty. Too bad, move on. Quite frankly, Tressel was fired for less so he and Buckeye nation should count their blessings. Word. And we are.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 25, 2018 19:00:31 GMT -5
Ohio State 5 Star commit Harry Miller's mother, a domestic violence survivor, has been paying close attention to the investigation and every article written. She supports Urban Meyer 100%. That means more to me than what anyone on here has said, all that the press has written and the suspension given.
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Post by dude on Aug 25, 2018 22:03:41 GMT -5
And yet he was hired and employed by your school system until the day HE decided to taker another job. The affair in question happened at Ontario. It was allegedly happening at two previous stops.
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Post by dude on Aug 25, 2018 22:04:49 GMT -5
So then your issue is with Zach Smith for tarnishing the university. I firmly support punishing the criminal. I do not support throwing you in jail if your son steals from the neighbor just because you should have known he did it. No but if he's a minor then you're sure as Poop going to be on the hook for restitution. Nope, your son is 20.
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