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Post by DrTorch on Sept 13, 2019 8:41:11 GMT -5
why should the NCAA (rofl!!) be able to tell adult men they can't sign their signature on a t-shirt for $$?
the whole concept is preposterous, and kudos to California for telling the Emperor he isn't wearing any clothes
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Post by fbfan on Sept 13, 2019 10:11:51 GMT -5
It's not about whether an athlete can sign jerseys to make a buck. It's about one state's legislature passing a law that would require the NCAA to change it's rules for all the athletes in all 50 states in order to try to keep the recruiting fair nationally. State legislatures are not the place to change NCAA rules.
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Post by Green Falcon on Sept 13, 2019 11:01:59 GMT -5
They're not changing an NCAA rule they're changing a blanketed rule for college athletes. The law applies to only those in California and if the NCAA doesn't like it they can kick all the schools out. If other states want to change then that's up to them.
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Post by Green Falcon on Sept 13, 2019 11:03:15 GMT -5
It's not about whether an athlete can sign jerseys to make a buck. It's about one state's legislature passing a law that would require the NCAA to change it's rules for all the athletes in all 50 states in order to try to keep the recruiting fair nationally. State legislatures are not the place to change NCAA rules. In regards to your first sentence, that actually what it's about. It's about a person being able to profit off their likeness
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Post by fbfan on Sept 13, 2019 12:15:03 GMT -5
They're not changing an NCAA rule they're changing a blanketed rule for college athletes. The law applies to only those in California and if the NCAA doesn't like it they can kick all the schools out. If other states want to change then that's up to them. The NCAA is not going to kick anyone out. They already have procedures in place about players and schools that do not follow their rules, and they have been upheld in courts. Remember Ohio State? The fight will not be about what the rules are, it's going to be about who makes the rules. The minute Newsome signs the law, the NCAA will be in court to get a restraining order on California's law. No athletes are going to start making money any time soon.
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Post by Birdman on Sept 13, 2019 12:37:12 GMT -5
What will be interesting and demand the NCAA stop this attitude, is if other states begin doing the same.
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Post by Green Falcon on Sept 13, 2019 12:46:54 GMT -5
They're not changing an NCAA rule they're changing a blanketed rule for college athletes. The law applies to only those in California and if the NCAA doesn't like it they can kick all the schools out. If other states want to change then that's up to them. The NCAA is not going to kick anyone out. They already have procedures in place about players and schools that do not follow their rules, and they have been upheld in courts. Remember Ohio State? The fight will not be about what the rules are, it's going to be about who makes the rules. The minute Newsome signs the law, the NCAA will be in court to get a restraining order on California's law. No athletes are going to start making money any time soon. It also should be noted that the NCAA only has power because it is the chosen organization. There is nothing to stop any person or institution to start a separate organization, or lack thereof. Also, that if the NCAA does not let them compete in NCAA events, that does not mean the California schools still can not play other state's schools.
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 13, 2019 19:20:48 GMT -5
the NCAA has no power, they don't even run the College Football Playoffs rofl
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 14, 2019 8:30:24 GMT -5
Despite all those that wish to bash the NCAA. This non-profit, regulatory organization has done a commendable job over the years, dating back to 1910. Most of us, at one time or other, have had disagreements with certain rules and regulations, or findings in certain cases and investigations, but overall, they have done a hell of a job, undertaking a monumental task.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 14, 2019 10:53:36 GMT -5
the NCAA has no power, they don't even run the College Football Playoffs rofl They had enough power to wreck Ohio State's season and coach when they broke their rules.
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 14, 2019 17:56:39 GMT -5
they have the power to govern themselves, that's it, just like your local Kiwanas
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Post by fbfan on Sept 15, 2019 8:16:34 GMT -5
Don't know of anyone that lost their multimillion dollar job for breaking local club rules.
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 15, 2019 11:24:48 GMT -5
semantics
the NCAA doesn't pass laws, they can't arrest anyone or imprison anyone, participation is voluntary
they are in essence the paper-est of Lions
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 15, 2019 14:03:20 GMT -5
semantics the NCAA doesn't pass laws, they can't arrest anyone or imprison anyone, participation is voluntary they are in essence the paper-est of Lions Sure, they don't have the authority to arrest anyone, but they are vested with full investigatory power and can impose suspensions and fines on institutions, coaches and athletes, backed up by rules and regulations. NCAA is no paper tiger.
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 15, 2019 15:42:02 GMT -5
institutions can choose to leave the NCAA anytime they want
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 15, 2019 17:28:11 GMT -5
institutions can choose to leave the NCAA anytime they want Very true, but how many actually have? It's the only show in town.
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Post by buckeyekid on Sept 16, 2019 5:25:54 GMT -5
As you guys watch these other top tier teams, how do you feel OSU stacks up against OU CLE GA AL? These 5 and then everybody else imo.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 16, 2019 6:46:32 GMT -5
I think the Buckeyes can go toe to toe with any one of the top six. I have seen Bama, Georgia, Clemson and Okl. play and some have shown areas of vulnerability. So far, Ohio State looks solid in all phases of the game. I have no issues with the initial rankings, but I definitely think the Bucks should be ranked ahead of Oklahoma at this point.
Most have forgotten, after all the playoffs and bowls were complete, the Buckeyes were #3 in the final AP & Coaches poll. Despite losing a good number of players to the NFL, think this years team is improved in a number of areas, foremost being defense. As long as the Buckeyes continue to play solid football on both sides of the ball and all the talented, young athletes continue to learn and mature as expected, this has the makings of a truly memorable season.
Much too early to get too excited about polling at this point, with the only poll rating that really matters, still lying ahead. Natural attrition, will eventually sort out the lock of the top six teams at this point, with unexpected upsets sure to rear it's ugly head.
One of the things we love about college football, 'expect the unexpected' and their's always hope for the underdog and as they also say 'on any given Saturday'.
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 16, 2019 15:24:13 GMT -5
As you guys watch these other top tier teams, how do you feel OSU stacks up against OU CLE GA AL? These 5 and then everybody else imo. Imho we have the best D of that group. I cannot believe i just typed that.
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Post by Whittaker on Sept 16, 2019 20:12:36 GMT -5
The defense looks tons better than last year for sure. Defenses like this will win you that 1 or 2 games a year when your offense has a bad game.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 16, 2019 21:39:35 GMT -5
the NCAA has no power, they don't even run the College Football Playoffs rofl They had enough power to wreck Ohio State's season and coach when they broke their rules. Think again, Athletic Director Gene Smith is the one who voluntarily vacated all the wins from that season, not the NCAA. They sacrificed a good coach as well. All, for what?
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 16, 2019 23:04:55 GMT -5
Allstate Playoff Predictor TEAM (RECORD) ......MAKE PLAYOFF/WIN TITLE Clemson (3-0) 78% 28% Alabama (3-0) 75% 32% Ohio State (3-0)44% 8% Georgia (3-0) 39% 8% Notre Dame (2-0)38% 5% Oklahoma (3-0) 36% 5% LSU (3-0) 34% 7% Wisconsin (2-0) 13% 1% UCF (3-0) 9% <1% Auburn (3-0) 8% 1% Oregon (2-1) 8% <1% Penn State (3-0)6% <1% Florida (3-0) 6% <1% Michigan (2-0) 1% <1% Texas A&M (2-1) 1% <1% Utah (3-0) <1% <1% Iowa (3-0) <1% <1% Okla.St.(3-0) <1% <1% Washington (2-1)<1% <1% Mich. St.(2-1) <1% <1% Wash. St. (3-0) <1% <1% Texas (2-1) <1% <1% Baylor (3-0) <1% <1% Virginia (3-0) <1% <1% Boise State (3-0)
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Post by fbfan on Sept 17, 2019 6:39:48 GMT -5
They had enough power to wreck Ohio State's season and coach when they broke their rules. Think again, Athletic Director Gene Smith is the one who voluntarily vacated all the wins from that season, not the NCAA. They sacrificed a good coach as well. All, for what? An act of submission to the power of the NCAA in hopes of mitigating the punishment to be received, and it worked.
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 17, 2019 14:13:38 GMT -5
They had enough power to wreck Ohio State's season and coach when they broke their rules. Think again, Athletic Director Gene Smith is the one who voluntarily vacated all the wins from that season, not the NCAA. They sacrificed a good coach as well. All, for what? but OSU can leave the NCAA if they want, they choose to accept those punishments the NCAA's name is not even on the Championship Trophy
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 17, 2019 14:18:47 GMT -5
Think again, Athletic Director Gene Smith is the one who voluntarily vacated all the wins from that season, not the NCAA. They sacrificed a good coach as well. All, for what? An act of submission to the power of the NCAA in hopes of mitigating the punishment to be received, and it worked. I would much rather take the approach of seeing exactly what the NCAA was going to do and then react accordingly. The self imposed bowl ban was a killer.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 17, 2019 15:44:57 GMT -5
Back channel communication saves time, effort, controversy, and limits bad PR for everyone.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 17, 2019 16:22:01 GMT -5
Back channel communication saves time, effort, controversy, and limits bad PR for everyone. I guess you are probably right.
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Post by Birdman on Sept 18, 2019 2:27:26 GMT -5
It wasn’t too long ago, no one gave the buckeyes a chance to win and they beat Bama and Oregon.
I think the gap between the bucks and the “top teams” is far closer than expected. The defense imo is remarkable. They play with a chip on their shoulder and it shows.
Having Fields has been a gift from god. He is a elite athlete and will continue to progress.
Nebraska, MSU, TTUN, Wisconsin, NW, PSU are going to give the buckeyes everything they have and more. If they can survive that and show a commanding presence I legitimately think we have a national championship caliber team.
Day is doing something very different in that program and I think we are beginning to see it take effect.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 18, 2019 7:42:47 GMT -5
One cannot say enough about the OL. Loaded with very talented 4-5 star players, who are mostly, young and inexperienced, left a lot of question marks. Perhaps unprecedented, the entire offensive line has produced in a big way, being awarded Champions in all three games to date! Seems coach Day can't extoll enough praise on their performance to date and is extremely pleased with that aspect of our offense. This unit will continue to get even better with continued game experience, as they continue to further develop as a cohesive unit, which bodes well for the offense, moving forward. Great credit to OL coach Greg Studrawa for a job well done!
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Post by Green Falcon on Sept 20, 2019 8:46:15 GMT -5
Stats from some local players:
Melvin Jackson III (Sandusky SMCC/BGSU) - 4 tackles, 2 sacks Grant Loy (Buckeye Central/BGSU) - 41 yds. passing 1 TD, 60 yds. rushing Breck Turner (Norwalk/Eastern Michigan) - 38 yds. rushing, 31 yds. receiving Jarren Hampton (Fremont Ross/Ohio) - 13 tackles Grant McKinniss (Findlay/Kentucky) - 84 kickoffs 63.4 yd average, 15 touchbacks
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